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Why are you speaking as if someone thinks it applies to wiretapping? Did I bring up wiretapping? It was brought up in Senate in regards to Guantanamo detainees, not wiretapping.

1) Ounce of prevention, etc... 2) The US government can't publicly accuse people on mere suspicion. (maybe they can, but it's immensely poor taste) These people either a) are suspected of plotting such attacks or b) suspected to hold information about such potential attacks. Which translates directly into what is being said. Several innocent people are dead because of actions taken based on "an ounce of prevention" license. Others have had their careers or personal lives damaged. The FBI have effectively accused the people in the picture by posting their picture and providing a generalized accusation. But considering the recent record of civil rights abuse by the FBI and other government organs they should provide something more concrete. Comments about actions or even a name would be nice. Unfortunately the FBI and Homeland Security have a very bad record of accuracy with such generalized suspicians. Some officials seek publicity and favor by affecting a pose of savvy vigilence through repeated accusations - politics. They benefit even if the accusations are false. I will say this, Taks; considering your field of study it is good for your career to take the attitude you project! -Not Taks

Hangovers are for pansies. I drink jack and coke, no hangovers. A few weeks ago I down 11 beers in a couple hours, no hangover. But, I have my own problems the following day.

I would have caught it if I read through the whole thread.

Wait, so he argued the the convention was obselete in addition to trying to argue that there is no promise of habeas corpus? Good riddance, should have happened sooner.

I would glare menacingly at him.

1) Ounce of prevention, etc... 2) The US government can't publicly accuse people on mere suspicion. (maybe they can, but it's immensely poor taste) These people either a) are suspected of plotting such attacks or b) suspected to hold information about such potential attacks. Which translates directly into what is being said.

I only found out about it as I was moving out. Never saw him again.

No, I had an underage drunk roommate. 18 years old and the guy comes to the dorm room drunk several times a week. He was probably playing my PS2 when I wasn't around (which was fine by me) as I saw an occasional PS2 game lying on his stuff. But then one day I find a giant dent on the corner of the system and the system doesn't work anymore, **** sux.

Here's what I posted on another forum in regards to an Alien 5 movie: I'm not married to point 6, but I think that's really where the series should have headed from the beginning. Escalation of threats. Ship -> Colony -> Fully-colonized planet (Earth)

I'm lucky, I barely had to deal with roommates. The first year there I had two roommates, who ended up moving to other rooms but didn't fill out their paperwork right, so aside from two weeks of that year I had the room all to myself. Second semester of second year was different and taught me why I'm never going to have livingmates again. Break my PS2, will you? I should have #@%@#%@# that #%$@#%@

Here's to hoping you don't get a ****ty roomate who breaks your PS2.

I'm with you, Mus. Not Fincher's finest work, but I liked it. Probably more than Resurrection and only because of Ryder's presence in the latter.

I doubt In the beginning though Also Considering the tricks he was playing could have done it himself and blamed it on He never would have had to come clean.

You're never too young to go senile. I'm living proof.

I doubt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKnS7CGWNmU

I think that's largely because as time goes by we become more elitist about what we consider art. Look at all the great artists of time. How many are alive today? Bringing up anyone contemporary is often met with scorn. Perhaps it's more that the gameplay overshadows it in games. As with Hurlshot speaking constantly of violence as something hindering games' status, it's possible a many people ignore the culture, civilization, and empathy for the more immediate results of having control. Of course, I've also heard very few filmmakers compared to poets. Few composers compared to novelists. Does the difference in the mediums prevent the comparison? I think it's a reasonable consideration. Personally, I've been more than willing, as have others, to make comparisons between much of Metal Gear Solid and modern cinema. Silent Hill 4's opening sequence was incredible from a cinematography point of view. But games are more than these cinematic scenes. Is this perhaps part of the consideration Ebert has? That the narratives present in games and scenes within them are "art" if not for the periods of gameplay in between? Or is it simply the elitism that is bred by comparison with the classics that keeps it from achieving the distinction in his mind?

I can only suspect many of those reviewers didn't get to the end of the game where it just turns into the Matrix for paranoid schizophrenics. It starts off with lots of little things you can do to change things, but they all turn out superficial. The concept art for the purple clan is badass, though.

I find it odd people speak of Fahrenheit as art as if that's to convince anyone that games can be art. Not speaking specifically of Nightshade's mention of it, as this is not the first time I've seen someone do it. But, considering some people feel that art has to have a genguine message, I found Fahrenheit to be one of the shallowest games I've played in quite some time. Mayans and an AI trying to take over the world using the secret of the meaning of life does not strike me as having even the slightest bit of a real philosophy driving it. What message am I supposed to take from that? The only message I caught from that game was at the very end. **** happens.

I thought Fahrenheit was a pretentious attempt at creating an interactive movie from the wrong direction. Crappy art, but still art.

So, what you're saying is that games are already a superior medium to film? There's a ton of games that don't rely on violence all the time. Just because they're not the hyped up big sellers out of the big US studios doesn't mean they don't exist. Just the same as the same can't be said of movies. Wow, it doesn't seem like you really read my post. I know there are non violent games out there, but I doubt they account for much more than 10% of the market. Movies have developed their non-violent genres to a much greater degree. Yes, popcorn movies are huge and sell well, but they are are rarely considered artful. I'd say maybe 25% of movies rely on violence to push the plot forward. Keep in mind, 85% of statistics are made up. And it's not just about violence, it's the use of violence. Bioshock is an artful game, but I've still spent a lot of time killing very similiar creatures over and over again. That puts it a lot closer to a standard horror flick then it does Apocalypse Now. I'm not saying games aren't art, I'm just saying they have a long way to go before they fit that "fine art" definition. They definitely aren't a superior medium, although they have the potential to be. But games need to break out of their demographic on a more consistent basis. As it is now, the appeal of games is too limited to teenage boys. And it doesn't seem like you think about your post. Made up statistics don't make points. Nor does the selective reasoning that killing similar creatures over and over again between and during narrative points of an 18 hour game compared to a 2-3 hour movie somehow denies the classification of art and fine art. There is nothing about the definition of "fine art" that excludes things that attract through the use of action. Fine art is actually a very open consideration if you ignore the definitions that are exclusive to the medium and focus on the ones that say it's specifically about being intentionally appealing to the sense. If you can honestly say the existence of action in Bioshock somehow denies the existence of beautiful scenery and sound within it, then, and only then, you can say it does not fit the definition of fine art.

Since the confidentiality is commercial, does that mean you'll spill if I give you 5 quid?

I'm not: http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/bioshock http://gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/924919.asp