Hell Kitty

I never said anything about you not liking console games, but there have been numerous comments from you recently that suggest an ignorance of console games. GTA as a game about sex with hookers, infinite ammo in AP being an appeal to console gamers, that sorta stuff. It's like when folks claim that regenerating health in so many games today is for the sake of console gamers, which makes no sense, being that life bars and the use of items to replenish them have been used in console games for as long as and as extensively as they have been in PC games. I already addressed this in the previous post. Gamers aren't made up of two distinct groups, it's many groups that overlap. Same old stereotypical rubbish. Again, it just show an ignorance of gaming on both consoles and PC. Actually, the original Diablo was ported to the PS1. The only changes necessary are, naturally, the controls.

The console war is a deliberate thing, it's companies competing with each other. It has always been this way. It's just business. That just fits into my view that it's the gamers that make it an issue. This is nothing more than "my system is better than your system" nonsense people have been going on about since, well, forever. Whatever helps you sleep at night. "Games" and "gamers" as a whole are all different, and lumping them all together as two distinct groups, console games/gamers and PC games/gamers, doesn't do anyone any justice. What a puzzle game player wants is going to be different to what an FPS player wants. What an adventure gamer wants isn't the same as what a wargamer wants. What a survival horror gamer wants is different to what a WWI flight sim gamer wants. What someone who only wants to play for an hour every so often is different to what someone who wants to be absorbed for hours on end wants. Hell, some Diablo 1/2 fans have started a petition because the colourful Warcraft style graphics of Diablo 3 isn't what they want. Of course I've never seen you post anything that suggests you have any real experience with console games and gamers, so I can hardly take you view seriously anyway.

Heh, my dad got a C64 and then an Amiga 500 for precisely that reason. The number one use for any of our systems have been gaming. That's always been the case, the consoles compete against one another, not the PC. It's the gamers that make it an issue. It couldn't perhaps be the game industry trying merge the console and PC markets that makes it an issue, hmm? No. If anything the fact that we get more multiplatform titles and ports should prove the idea of a war wrong. So we have gamers fighting a war against one another with developers as the weapons dealers arming both sides. Anyway, Pidesco is exactly right, the console companies are fighting a war amongst themselves. In both this generation and the last the battle is between Microsoft and Sony, with the Nintendo happy to do its own thing. None of them are competing with PC because there is no one PC company to compete against.

What previews said the third person perspective was crap? It was definitely tacked on for Oblivion, but I thought they were pushing it as the primary perspective for F3. I haven't been keeping up.

That's different, being the Amiga was competition for the old IBM compatible, as it was an actual Personal Computer.

That's always been the case, the consoles compete against one another, not the PC. It's the gamers that make it an issue.

Screenshots and trailers for those not wanting to bother navigating the official site: http://www.worthplaying.com/article.php?sid=53375

Complaining about games. Complaining about child porn. Worst comparison ever.

Er, that's a picture of Poms in Africa, from some British TV show.

Currently playing through ME again, and when I'm finished I'll start on MGS3 Subsistence, or possibly Rule of Rose, or Persona 3 FES. Also getting a bit of a JA2 itch.

I'm currently on my third playthrough. I'm terribly sorry if the controls are too hard for you to get to grips with, but Kaftan not likey doesn't make for bad design. Honestly, the idea that some senior designer forced this on the game, and everyone else, designers and testers, where too scared to say anything about it is just ridiculous. The 360 decryption mini-game wasn't the same as the PC version. It was a really simple Simon Says push one of four buttons as it lights up. Still a chore though. You can skip individual lines of dialogue, I dunno what the button on PC is. It's still annoying that you can go directly to shopping though. Heh, I'm exactly the same. I like that Renegade isn't moustache-twirling evil sillyness, but I'm just too much of a good little boy to play that way. Sure, but the exploration factor is enough for me to consider it an action/adventure, if only because that side of it is greater than what you find in most shooters. I also consider Deus Ex an action/adventure. Ultimately, all genre means to me is which games folder I put it into on my harddrive, or where it sits on my shelf. How others classify what games doesn't change how I feel about them, and I don't get why people feel the need to give certain games specific labels (like calling anything first person an FPS. I think FPS should be referred to as the Oblivion With Guns genre).

No, it's nothing like that. Thief is like Deus Ex, you have particular goals to complete and you are free to complete them how you see fit, using any or none of the tools available to you. Thief players don't choose to ghost missions because the system is flawed, because it isn't flawed, they choose to play it that way because they enjoy the extra challenge. I tend to play DX using stealth, whether it's harder or easier than a combat style is irrelevant to me, I play the way I enjoy. The same is true of games like Hitman or MGS.

Actually in Thief 1 & 2, the weapons and tools you had left in a mission didn't carry over into the next one. The reason for this is the developers didn't want you to hoard your items, they wanted you to use the tools they've provided. Better to use them and have fun with them than think "I should probably save these for later" and never end up using them. Of course that doesn't stop you choosing to play without using your weapons, which increases the challenge if that's what you want. I think unlimited ammo could have the same effect, you'll use the weapons you want to use, rather than saving them for later and using something lesser. Like I said in the other thread, this simply isn't true. If the game features stealth options that are fun to play, then people will choose those options. Using all the tools you have in Thief makes for a much easier game than playing through without using any tools at all, but that doesn't stop the latter being a very popular play style, even when it doesn't offer any additional rewards over the easier style other than the satisfaction of having done it.

They're both dependant on which way the screen is facing, but entirely independent of each other. The vehicle controls are the same as on foot, pushing forward moves you into the screen, rather than being accelerate, and it's hardly suprising that the turrent is always going to be pointing at the cross hair in the middle of the screen. Nope, the controls are simple and strafing is easy, your inability to handle the controls doesn't make for bad design. It's an action/adventure, regardless of how big the stick up CrashGirl's butt is. The problem is she's an anti-fangirl, as passionate about attacking a game as fanboys are in praising it as the best thing ever.

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They are independent, left stick for movement and right stick for aiming, but is seems to be buggy. I'm replaying right now, and most of the time it seems to work fine, but sometimes aiming in a particular direction cause the Mako to move forward. A moment ago I was neither moving nor aiming, and simply using the left trigger to zoom in caused the Mako to move forward, and continue to move forward until I performed some other action. So like I said, buggy.

There is no such thing as a red moon. You probably have eye cancer.

I just completed the game. It was fab. Now I must go sleep. What titles did people get? I got: Eagle - High headshot count Hawk - For receiving lots of praise from fellow PMCs Hyena - High item collection Pig - High use of health items Crocodile - Merciless soldier, killed a whole lotta folks Panther - Rarely died, spotted frequently and killed untold number of enemies As you can probably tell I didn't play through very stealthily. Using a borrowed PS3 I was really just playing through for the story, though I enjoyed the gameplay immensely. Man, AP has a lot to live up to when it comes to delivering stealth and action...

The PS2 is backwards compatible with PS1 games, so if you could find yourself a copy of MSG you'd be set, although, yes, it does look quite old now. The Twin Snakes on Gamecube is MSG1 done with the MGS2s gameplay and engine. Personally I think it's inferior to the PS1 original. I think you'd be missing out on quite a bit if you haven't played all the games in the series.

I bought the game today. I wasn't planning on it, I just saw it in the store and I couldn't help myself, I couldn't not buy it. I'll borrow my nephews PS3 this weekend to play it.

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Or maybe she'll ditch that punk for some hot blue alien action.

That is the correct answer.

Smith regretted the decision not to develop their own engine sometime during development, so the comparison doesn't really stand.

I really hope it gets ported to the 360, because I don't want to buy a PS3 just for this one game, but I will, damnit.