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Maybe he meant it was a happy moment (for those who remember the old meaning of "gay") And ontopic, i love the idea of this mod, i always felt something was a little off with the confrontation of Atris. Plus it gives her and nihlus a bit more screen-time, which they so dearly lack

1: Introduction and test results Right, this is driving me crazy so i thought i would share my test results with you all, to see if any of you guys can make anything of it. Since this board doesnt seem to support any form of tables whatsoever ( ) i used a crude method using the code box. The top row shows the graphics AA (antialiasing) and AF (Aniostropic filter) settings, incase you down know what these are heres a basic summery. If you know what AA and AF do, skip on to section 3. 2: Anti Aliasing and Aniostropic filters and what they mean The Anti Aliasing smooths the jagged edges of polygons, making a more pleasent look, jagged edges are more noticable in low resoloutions. Raising the AA level smooths the polygons, this is a strain on the graphics card, thus the higher your AA level the less FPS (Frames per second) you will get. Aniostropic filtering basicly uses lower resoloution textures when objects are further away, the lower the level of AF set, the closer you must be for the high resoloution texture to show. 3: System specs So that everyone has an idea of the system the test was ran on, a breif summary of the machine used. AMD xp1800 (2.2ghz) 2 x 512mb RAM (corsair) SATA hard drive Nvidia 6800GT NF7-s Motherboard The software used for the test was FRAPS. 4: The test results | 0AA/8AF | 2AA/8AF | 4AA/8AF | 8AA/8AF | | M / H / L | M / H / L | M / H / L | M / H / L | 800x600| 85/22/26 | 60/22/26 | 42/22/26 | 21/17/24 | 1024x768| 72/21/25 | 42/21/25 | 27/21/24 | 11/14/21 | 1280x1024| 38/19/25 | 25/19/25 | 19/17/25 | 06/11/18 | 1600x1200| 30/20/20 | 20/18/20 | 11/12/20 | 04/08/15 | RIGHT! Here we see (if you can understand it) my bizarre test results. On the left column is the screen resoloution and as you work your way to the right you see higher levels of AA being used. M/H/L are the places the FPS was tested, M being the game menu (with nihlus), H being high quality elvel, the tombs exterior on korriban (lots of dust etc, laggy), and L being low quality, which was tested standing in the ebon hawk. Its also worth noting that x8 AA is still experimental, Nvidia dont yet reccomend using it because it can kill frame rates, i included it in the test anyway just for kicks. 5: Examining the results There are some abnormalities in my results, some being; Switching from 1024x768 to 1280x1024 resoloution at x4 AA actually GAINED a frame! I tested this 3 times and the same results occoured! The game HAS TOTAL DISREGARD for my sanity by giving the same fps REGARDLESS to the AA level set! (x8 not included). in 800x600 it gives out 22fps regardless to the AA level set! Argh! In the high quality level, the game only lost 2 FPS going from 800x600 to 1600x1200! (at 0AA) Thats DOUBLE the resoloution! Real Logic: "Oh you want to change the resoloution and go up to x2 AA from 0 AA? that will cost you X amount of frames-per-second, determined on a ratio of how much extra i need to render on screen. Have a nice day." KOTOR2 engine "Logic": "Oh you want to change the resoloution and go up to x4 AA from 0 AA? that will cost you... meh, i cant be bothered, lets just call it one frame per second eh? Hell, i'll GIVE you an extra frame just to confuse you! Have a nice day, wierdo." I mean come on, whats the deal with that?! If the game had a decent FPS to start with, then i would be incredibly pleased with only losing (or gaining!) 1 frame per second when going through such a change! However the game does NOT have a decent fps for me! On my last graphics card (9600xt) i got a regular 30-40fps at 1024x768 with AA on 4! Now i cant get anywhere near it! 6: Loseing sanity So i decided "hmm... lets see what my max fps i can get is!" The results are as follows... 800x600 res, EVERYTHING turned off, lowest of low settings: Menu: 130fps, Korriba n: 50fps, Ebon Hawk: 54fps! The highest i can SQUEEZE out is 54fps ingame?! This is absurd, i was getting that at 1024x768 with x4 AA on my last card! Why does kotor suddenly hate me?! Also for fun, here is everything set it its most ripe and juciest: Menu: 4fps, Korriban: 7fps, Ebon Hawk: 10fps. Now wait a minute... did you notice that too? when everythings set to high, the menu fps is LOWER than the in game fps! Less than half the amount infact! Proof KOTOR2 is here to steal my sanity and corrupt my poor logic-minded brain! 7: Conclusion So thats it, kotor2 seems pretty messed up for me, and i dont understand why. I mean i suffered a MASSIVE performance drop going from my 9600xt to the 6800gt, it cut my FPS in half, literally. If anyone has any ideas, or anything at all to say, please comment. I have included the FPS results in a .txt file attached incase anyone has trouble with the one in this thread. Adios! FPS.txt

I think it adds to the gameplay, i'm looking forward to nice music and decent videos. Not in your typical view of gameplay i guess no, but i think a good soundtrack can go towards it. i dunno, i'm wierd.

I thought that palpy was using his power to keep his appearence (to keep his secret) and that after the battle since it was revealed he was infact dark side and everyone would soon know about it, he had no reason to hide it by changing his looks. But thats just me, i'm also with the opinion he was purposly letting windu put up a fight to make anakin jump in (fall to the dark side) and save him. *ducks large blunt objects been thrown at him and runs out the thread*

At a point later in the planet, you'll find something incriminating about him, and then extra dialouge options open up with him

Nikko was supposed to be human? I thought he was like a wierd human-based elf/pixie type species... guess its just a misshapen model. No offense nikko heh

my only adivce is to use the disable buffer vertex thing then, thats all i can think of trying if you still have a problem. a 6800gt should be more then comfortable with dantooine so it shouldnthave a slowdown. I'm actually sitting in wait for my 6800gt, it'll becoming in the mail in around 2 hours!

I'm guessing this is the problem everyone else is getting and you need to disable the vertex buffering? TO quote myself from another topic; I think this is the vertex buffer problem, i get it too. 1: open "swkotor2.ini" 2: scroll down till you find "graphics options" 3: paste this line at the bottom of the list "Disable Vertex Buffer Objects=1" That part of your file should look something like this; Texture Quality=2 Anti Aliasing=4 Disable Vertex Buffer Objects=1 [Game Options] This *should* fix it, i belive updating drivers fixed it for some people too.

if i recall, both cards HAD it but both have now fixed it. If i recall Nvidia fixed their a fair while ago and ATI fixed theirs recently (along with "glow" effects). I may be wrong, so dont hald me to it.

Yes, very much so. I bust out laughing whenever he spoke for the first playthrough. sorry to be offtopic, heh.

I did actually keep mira as her starting level so i could have her as a jedi from low levels, but i gve up when i got the bug. I managed to stealth my way through all of the jek jek tarr underground whilst raiding all (bar 3-4) of the item holders. Also Hanharr didnt attack me once, he just stood there.. odd. Oh yes, and after doing more of the game i now have about 4 short lightsabers, 3 double bladed ones, and like 2 normal sabers. I think i'll go back to the USM mod after this. Its also been the first time where i've had many more robes than i need, which is nice. The game seems to have un-bugged itself aside from the alignment.

Well, after finishing all the main planets except one, mira decided she would infact let me train her to be a jedi. Shes now level 27 though, so teaching her to be a jedi isnt gonna be worth much as i can only get 4-5 levels out of it Alignment is still locked however, and if i edit it with KSE it just sets it back to being 99% LS. I tried fiddling with strength in game, i always through if i got lightsaber finesse i wouldnt need strength. I now regret having a level 27 jedi weaponsmaster with about 8 points on strength with the -2 modifier for having less than 10 Live and learn i guess...

Yeah, i discovered that when i added persuade to miras abilities (my first playthrough ever of kotor2) then i got annoyed that it was useless. I assumed that if you had someone in your party that knew it, that there might be a use for it later in the level. In reality it was just a waste of a force power.

I had that error once, for a totally differant reason. Found it funny myself heh. I would have put my error down to cheating/KSE if i had infact used it before i had the problem, also i know the correct values for influence and alignment after a bit of fiddling. A party members alignment is swayed to match yours depending how much influence you have with them. There are exeptions to this, such as Kreia whom stays neutral throughout the game. Now i didnt know that! the only reason i was bothered about the Alignment of my party was because of the bonus for mastery. I'm guessing only the PC recives the bonus, which explains why mira got it because the game would treat mira as the PC during the dxun section. Interesting stuff, thanks for the replies

I cant actually draw, but the post imspired me to do something.

I knew someone would say that... To be honest i havnt used cheats for K2 aside from once when i got sick of dying (bad quicksave) and for item getting. Cheats, if used correctly, shouldnt be the cause of the little glitches i've mentioned. For example the party members not hitting mastery and mira being broken, both of those were without cheats. I mentioned i used cheats but that was to test out the bugs AFTER i had them. Damn! I wish i had known that, i'll try that my next LS playthrough. I downloaded the Savegame editor now to fiddle, and i managed to give Mira her name back, but she still wont turn jedi and my teammates still have their force alighment locked. If i use cheats to fiddle however i can change Kreias... which is just plain wierd.

Well this really contains stuff that would fit in any of the forums, but since it has spoilers i thought it belonged here. 1: Has anyone ever broken Mira before? Somehow i did, her name dissapears from everything, so for example when you click on her you just see the blue health bar without her name above it. And on her summary is just says "Level "x" scout" without her name. I can talk to her about seemingly anything but i cannot make her jedi, i even tried editing my influence with her and it didnt make a difference. 2: Once you have the feat "finesse: lightsaber" which enables you to use dexterity as your modifier instead of strength, is there any reason at all to put points into strength or does it become a null skill? 3:Even though the modifiers for lightsaber crystals dont stack, they still give the correct bonuses. This isnt a question, its just something i found out and though it was interesting. 4: For some reason when i played Oonderon (i think thats the right one) and i side with the queen, i always have to fight the jedi master, even though i had LS mastery, it just seemed wierd and only happened the once. 5: I'm on my 3rd playthrough and i didnt get any extra dialouge 6: I normaly manage to get my party members (or at least some of them) to hit DS or LS mastery, yet for some reason on this playthrough they all stop at 99%. An interesting note is that when i tried using cheats to give them a couple more LS points it wouldnt work. Somehow the cheat for adding LS and DS points has been disabled on my party members. Wierd. 7: Random item generator infuriates me, this around my 10th playthrough all in all and i only just got a short lightsaber. 8: I'm also annoyed theres no prestige level for grey jedis. 9: Has anyone here played through the game using a yellow lightsaber? It seems to be the least used one from my experience. Aaand i'm done. Just some random things i needed to get off my chest. I just found out another thing, you need to place 4 mines on each minefield on dantooine to complete that mini-quest. I always put 3 on each one and never noticed anything new, assumed it to be a broken quest. Goes to show you can always find out new things It also triggered Dolpak to side with me instead of the guy invading the building.

i was also going to vote for kreia, why? because she seems to me the only character properly developed. Atton: dissapointed when i turned him to jedi and he STILL had nothing to say! Bao dur: Again dissapointed with the lack of conversation, but he had more plausable reasons for being quiet. Plus he had some decent ebon hawk cutscenes. Handmaiden: Probly my 2nd or 3rd favorite, i cant think of any major flaws aside from her hair and earrings annoy me. HK 47: Ruined by the cut content, very dissapointed that he didnt have anything to say to random people like in K1. Or maybe i was just unlucky. Mandalore: first time i got him on my team i thought "wow! the real mandalore i heard about in k1! this rules!". Then i realised who was beneath the helmet and that he wasnt all that usefull to me. T3: too much attention for my likeing, though he did need it seeing as he had the most obvious ties to reven etc... Mira: Decent background, i found it hard to get influence with her but i enjoyed the dialougewith her, even if i secretly though she looked like a cheap tart. Visas: "my life for yours" gets real boring real fast. Why did she have to be so under developed there could have been so much more if they added some Kreia Vs Visas scenes. Disciple: You've left me an opening! Aside from his teeth i liked him, beats having *another* jedi guardian on my crew G0TO: The fat one was interesting, but i agree he should not have been crew member, he should have just been plonked on the ship so he can watch you etc but not be selectable. Hanhar: cant say, the only DS playthrough i did had him at the ship unused. My opinion, is that they needed to add chatter between them, like your party members in k1 did, bastila tripping mission over was cool. Nearly all of them needed more conversation options to the PC too. Most of my crew seemed dead to me as they only spoke when a cut scene relating to them had occoured, there was no normal chit chat. Although i loved the whole "echo" storyline, so my opinions are sometimes different to everyone else on the planet

Yeah, not walkens normal speaking voice, but when he whispers. For example in the prophecy or parts of his speech in pulp fiction (the watch). The creepy whispering voice.

Well i like the theme! i much prefer the nice little bleep from the annoying little click windows usually makes, and the colours are nice (though i had to remove the yellow bits), kinda reminds me of tron. I dont understand how the game being unsopported and unfinished has to do with a theme... i think i missed the joke (if it was one).

K1 - HK 47, my favorite companion definatly, he amused me to no end. My main goal when playing was to pick him up as quickly as possible. K2 - T3, As others said, this time he had a bit of character, plus i could never find much use for HK AND his beautiful dialouge was taken out, when the restoration project is finished i will have him around again. Hehe, "Fat one"...

His voice reminded me of christopher walken, thus, i loved him. But as with pretty much everyone, "nevermind" seems to be the usual topic of conversation. I agree he's pretty useless, though my current playthrough i must have done something right because the guy is like a damn tank, customised his saber (using the USM mod) to had droid, electrical, and ion damage so he wipes out droids. I've never gotten though GOTO's yaught so quickley before! Shame theres not many places with droids in the game as now i have no use for him My main problem with him is the lack of conversation. Atton wants pazaak, Kriea repeats herself, Bao Dur "nevermind", visas had 4 repeated short stories, and mandalore bored me. But i'm getting off topic... I think bao dur could have been better had he a few stories to tell, but he said "i dont like to think about the war" so i guess he wouldnt want to tell stories. I still talk to him occasionaly for his voice though...

I think this is the vertex buffer problem, i get it too. 1: open "swkotor2.ini" 2: scroll down till you find "graphics options" 3: paste this line at the bottom of the list "Disable Vertex Buffer Objects=1" That part of your file should look something like this; Texture Quality=2 Anti Aliasing=4 Disable Vertex Buffer Objects=1 [Game Options] This *should* fix it, i belive updating drivers fixed it for some people too.

The last pic reminds me very much of anglina jolie (tomb raider), only creepier.

Awesome mod, but its a shame it buggers up the mistake correction armband Wont stop me playing it though, i'll avoid the LS/DS point bugs.