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Well, I agree that the decrypt thing is a lot less alarming.

I don't doubt that we face big problems investigting pan continental conspiracies. However, some things you just don't do. I mean, the cops themselves have said they didn't ask for these powers. A former head of MI5 said she thought it was a mistake. Bottom line is you can't ahve a state calling itself democratic where its own citizens can be held without any official charge or trial for such a long period of time.

Excuse me? Thhhbbbpppt! You'll get yours, smartass. Like I said.

Drunkenness pixies turned out to be the massive fever and cramps elves. Added fun is fact that hwenevr I puke my ribs pop out. Haven't been this tired ever. Even when I had paratyphoid. Course I was bleeding internally then, so I'm ahead slightly. Due to delirium - keep finding myself singing tunelessly - no-one is to pay any attention to anything I say for at least 24 hrs. Now I must drag self to kitchen and get water. Utterly floorbound. ...And this is why I don't feel the need to do drugs.

Well said.

Erm.... detention without trial for 48 days, anyone? Now that is an absolute disgrace. We are now relying on the Lords to throw it back at the Commons. Democracy defended best by the undemocratic.

I see....

In the UK the Army is bound by military law, AND civil law, AND international convention. You can be tried and sentenced three times.

I really want to convey how not aggressive I am about this. It's sometimes hard in text. Your point 1, about hasty interrogation. I accept that a hasty interrogation in the field is naturally less safe than one in a controlled environment far away from action. But it doesn't automatically follow that this means torture. Again, see Mackey. The second quote is interesting, in that yes appointing certain officials can be indicative. However, it doesn't automatically follow that they haven't learned from the mistakes, or aren't aware of the changed atmosphere. Look at the way military innovators work, for example the development of the 'big wing' in the RAF. People went both ways based on tehri experience.

So it's execution for manslaughter offences now?

Who takes packrat as a perk? Boost your strength, fool!

I just surpassed my safety limits by accidentally playing both videos at once. EDIT: I know I'm hungover, but really, that sucks. Ow ow ow. Post edit: It gets even worse. An acoustic version that is also NOT SAFE FOR WORK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics...punishment.html Enemies beware! This is what we do to our own damned soldiers! EDIT: Just to be absolutely clear, I'm not proud of it.

Well, you've sold me on the idea of a stick blender. Take up less space, apart from anything else. What do you other chaps think about electric hobs?

Why should that make you giggle. How would YOU suggest doing things?

I've only been skim-reading, but I don't see any reference to torture. If you see it, help me out. The 'hasty interrogation' you picked on seemed to revolve around showing a subject maps, and taking them up in a plane. I see they mention the unsettling effect of being in a plane for a groundslogging peasant, but beyond that... Seriously, I'm not trying to be a ****. I don't see it.

Dead Kennedys Holiday in Cambodia

I read all those before. What PRECISELY is the problem?

Ditto that. I'm afraid I find that cartoon bloody offensive. The man was tortured so badly he's permanently lost movement in his arms. Show a bit of common decency. Phah, every newspaper (atleast where i live) have similar cartoons on respective candidates, local and for presidential elections. And since when has decency been a paragorn in politics of this level. I hope that i didn't distract you from reading it, the guy follows the election candidates from a grassroot level, checking them out at almost every public meeting. Do you find this one offensive as well? Not really. Maybe I'm missing something. Surely there are limits, tho. I mean, what if a candidate had had a kid die of cancer or something? Would it be cool to mock that?

I am alughing so much right now. I was just contemplating cooking up a pack of bacon.

You can't seriously expect many of us to engage in this topic when you steadfastly ignore every single question we ask. That's not a debate, nor does it debunk anything.

Can someone highlight for me the juicy bits? All I see is some perfectly standard (and boring) stuff about conducting operations, and some rather dubious allegations by journalists about the intent being to replicate El Salvador. The most juicy thing I can see is about conducting hasty interrogations, but even then this simply consists of the kind of stuff openly discussed in The Interrogator's War By Sgt. Chris Mackey. Which is about as civilised as can be expected.

Yup. We've ALL said that. Guess how often you're wrong?

I blame the delicious cooking. I got a lot fatter after I learned how to cook properly.