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That's easy. The top of the list would litter with Obsidian/BIS titles. Through in some BIO, Twitcher, ES, and any other RPG you can think about to tidy up the bottom half. It might be the only top 10 lthat includes IWD2. <>

"Gameplay degeneration occurs when a player engages in gameplay not because they enjoy that gameplay but because the game's mechanics put the player at a disadvantage for not taking advantage of it" Yet, quest XP does exactly that. Now, players are gonna feel the need to complete every single quest even if it doesn't fit their character since that's the only way to level up. Might as well go montey and if you say no to a quest you should geta 'quest complete' and get the xp anyways. But, THAT will also lead to 'degenerateion'. L0LZ

Yeah, he was. Sam will likely be picked up by someone. Does seem kind of harsh to cut a 7th round draft pick so quick though. Surely, they could have kept him for the practice squad at least. Dumb to cut Champ Baily. Who cares if he's a little older. I doubt all the guys who got kept over him were actually better.

Plus FF7 and no FF8? Again, not surprising, but plain wrong. Kind surprised no Gothic game made it either thoguh they aren't my absolute favorites I know they have their fanboys. Friggin' Twitcher... *twitches* L0L ES L0L

"True, though there's at least one up and coming cRPG: Pillars of Eternity." Actually, it does. They're called barbarian, and rogue/thief.

"6) the weapons, armor, and other basic equipment that are similar to those in the IE games" IE games had buckets passed off as items too? WOW "5) the class system thats very similar to the D&D classes of all the IE games" Similar to the vast majority of fantasy games. COME ON. "9) the leveling system which is similar to the IE games" See above. "11) Great music similar to that of the IE games" What's great about it? PE's music isn't bad. It's merely average. IE game music is stuff of legend. TOP 10 Game Music Of All Time Legend. "7) the quest and task system which is similar to the IE games" Like every RPG ever created. Oops, not quite. Most RPGs don't have quests that just don't work. (yeah I know beta just have fuin) "12) A forum where some people can't seem to do anything but complain - like the IE games..." True. but, that's internet in general not IE speciifc. As Helm stated, these are all superificial similarities. P.S. I believe, in the end, that PE will be a good fun game but people talking like it is BEST GAME EVER is hilarious. I also love this attitude that somehow on this forum dedicated to a 'spiritual successor' to the IE games honestly believe those IE games sucked and everything is an 'improvement' of them. DOES. NOT. COMPUTE.

"the developers were up-front and clear that body count would be de-emphasized in PoE" HAHAHA! Yet, from the other side they talk about how PE is combat heavy and that many battles won't be avoidable. *yawn* "and that making all builds equal viable and giving all such builds equivalent potential for xp acquisition were primary goals." L0LZ "there should not be a surprise in 2014 when it weren't a surprise in 2012." It was no surprise but they said to give it a chance and don't judge the xp system until we tried the game. I tried the game. The xp system sucks. How come SRR has a better xp system than PE? There's no excuse for that. "ps:t were our favorite crpg. being our favorite does not mean that we cannot recognize flaws. one glaring flaw were the xp mechanic. wisdom, a stat which were the prime attribute o' no playable ps:t TNO class, were an xp Multiplier. not only were many quest rewards tied directly to a minimum wisdom score, but having a high wisdom resulted in potential more than 33% improvement in all xp gained in the game. playing as a high strength and low intelligence/wisdom fighter, as were a viable and enjoyable build in all othe ie games, resulted in a player not only missing a significant amount o' wisdom specific content, but it created an xp penalty for those players foolish enough not to boost wisdom. ps:t, as much as we loved the game and still frequent replay it as a high wisdom, high charisma player, were a classic example o' developer schadenfreude. you wanna play a vanilla fighter in ps:t? HA! joke is on you, 'cause not only does ps:t combat suck, but you is getting a functional xp penalty for playing as a traditional fighter build." It was a great mechanic. Take your whining of 'balance' and 'traditional fighters' then throw them in ttrash. Wasn't one of the popints of PST was not to go the 'traditional way'? Now, you whine you could not be a 'traditional' low wisdom' warrior? COME ON. Only loser min maxers cry when they can min a stat liek that. LMAO No wonder you are a new age apologizer.

Interetsing choice. ME2 si a really good game but best? It might not even be top 5 BIO games. No NWN. BOOOOOOOOOO! Thank GOD KOTOR series didn't make it. FO3 over FO:NV. Not surprising but laughable nonetheless. FO2 should be on the list as well. Dunno how they can have ME3 on there but not ME1. COME ON.

"While the combat in them was good, better than BG, BG2," IWD's combat was better than BG1 but not BG2. And, IWD2 combat was subpar despite the extra character options. IWD2 was also the only IE game I did not finish out of its sheer crappiness. Playing with kits in IWD1 is intriguing but Beamdogs and they haven't suckered me yet they won't now. I'd rather pay another $250 for a xp less PE than touch Beamndog's desperate trash. \ i also guess they got stuck remaking IWD because their bosses haven't been impressed enoguh to give them a BG3 to ruin.

"what worrys me the most is the OE team being scarred of Dragen age 3 ...WHY whould you ever care about that>? that games not even a RPG!" Why lie? Quality aide and which game is better how is DA3 any less of a RPG than PE is? It isn't. Don't make stuff up. It's embarassing. Next you gonna claim IWD isn't a RPG or G isn't or Diablo isn't. They all are. "I wonder, how many of the people who are asking for preserving verisimilitude by keeping arrow stacks would also be in favor of archers not being able to shoot past characters (i.e. they can't shoot past the tank line)? Certainly none of them are asking for dual-wielding to be as useless in PoE as it is in real life.' I'm fine with their being a chance to hit a 'friendly' if they are in the line of fire. That's hardcore. And, how is duelweilding 'useless' in RL? That's laughable. And, how does that connect to the discussion being had, anyway?

Plus, they need to fix that stupid knockdown noise. Worst ability sound effect I've ever heard in any game ever. L0L

"Well, there are many cases IRL people getting mauled by bears because they don't realize that they're getting close to its cubs, even when they're holding a shotgun." And, in RL, there are cases where little kiddies can scare a bear off by simply punching it on the nose. (not that I reccommend trying it lol). I guarantee you more bears have died to humans then the other way around though it's not soemthing really brag worthy in moral terms. But, they aren't monstrous 'game overs' like you claimed they were.

"We talk about computer games here." Uh... DnD computer games are popular. What do you think PE is a 'spiritual successor' to? Dnd games that are popular. LMAO "That's exactly the problem with resting in IE games. Why even bother imposing any limitations on spellcasting if all it takes is one keypress to get them back?" Exactly. Limitations on resting is a good and needs to be balanced to be fair and to give players a reasonable challenge. Any game that forces you to rest after every battle or two sucks. Plain and simple. Any game that allows you unlimited resting has a major flaw. Thankfully, in the IE games you didn't have to rest after every battle unless you absolutely sucked at the game. I tried to never rest in a dungeon and enver more than ocne per overland map otherwise I find it silly. Rule of thumb is you should never rest more than once in a 24 hour game time cycle.

XP shouldn't be just about killing or competing quests, or objectives. It should be about rewarding the player for overcoming challenges by using character skills as well as roel-playing and stuff. ie. Dealing with the spider queen or beetles should be worthy of xp in the same way the ogre is whetehr it's through fighting or some other way of dealing with them. But, none of this you only get xp if a villager begs you to do it. That's just plain dumb and no intelligent DM would handle xp that way, NONE.

"IE inventory was tedious" No, it wasn't. "But I would prefer as the inventory an infinite grid, but limited with the encumbrance (determined by STR) limit. It is fine if it is accesible only out of combat." Agreed. That's the better way to go.

"Developers tend to do the later not because they believe that missing a lot is boring they do it because the majority hates systems that go like this: Miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, crit dead, reload..." If this were true DnD and all its copy cats wouldn't be so popular. Hilarious!

They are not normal beetles. If you think they should act like normal beetles you miss the point. Real beetles don't attack humans becuase in RL humans are way bigger and can squash them by simply stepping on them. That can't be done with these beetles so why would they 'fear' humanoids as much? "For example, you don't meet a lot of bears in the woods, but it's usually game over for you if you meet one unprepared." O RLY, In RL, Human-bear encounters aren't as one sided as you might think considering the usual size difference. \That said, I agree, that most animals shouldn't be insta hostile when they see you either. That's silly. They should have a 'range of hostility' ala BG bears.

"Therefor in modern days it is much more likely too not finish a game especially with steam highly successful sales strategy.' ERROR! People not finishing games is NOT a new phenomen. It's been true forever.

"Gamers do not care about movies." L0L

" nowadays have games that basically cater primarily for male gamers " HAHAHAHA! If you don't see what is fundamentally wrong in this statement not to mention the HUGE double standard hypocrisy when used in conjunction with that precious article it usually is.

"boys and women." wut!?!

"you could just as well be a little girl from Thailand for all I know." Do we all really need to know your perverted fantasies about me? Geez.. TMI

Have you read my posts? You should know that's not true. L0L

I'm not teasing anyone. I don't mind her being sexist. Everyone is sexist (after I'm only attracted to women so, by definition, it means I'm sexist). But, just admit it. What i am wearing or not wearing is not your business. Period. "So it's sexual harrassment now asking men if they will wear a bra or not?" \Let me ask you this: Would you find it acceptable if a male poster asked a female poster if she was wearing bras and panties? Come on. We ALL know that poster who, AT MINIMUM, be shouted down and called a sexist pervert, AT WORST, he'd be outright banned. On the internet, you shouldn't eb talking about posters' unmentionables. That's why they are called unmentionables.

What's irrelevant is the gender of a game developer. I don't give a crap. It means nothing to me. It should mean nothing to you if you believed in true equality but I get it. You are a feminist and don't believe in true equality.