Malcador Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 And to think the one group who thinks the government should leave ALL of us alone are the crazy ones. Go figure. Well, in some cases their crazy is for other observable reasons. Or really suit that joke in Green Mars about being anarchists that want cops to protect them from their slaves. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Gromnir Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) one o' these days, the freedom lovin' patriots who rail 'gainst government evils is gonna learn what it means to live in a democracy. what freedom lovin' patriot doesn't also want democracy? is one o' those core American fundamentals, no? heck, we s'posed had a revolution to achieve freedom and democracy... as if the two ain't actual antagonistic qualities. the people is the government. we democratic elect folks who then pass laws, laws which, by their very nature is limits 'pon your freedoms. complain 'bout evil government taking away our freedoms is silly w/o recognition o' underlying truth o' reality o' democracy. so yeah, the folks who would rather disassociate themselves from society, go off the grid and live in a shack in the woods, does indeed seem like the crazies. and trump can wail and howl 'bout games all day and night, but is sound and fury, just as virtual all such trump bluster. we noted during the election how virtual all stuff trump promised were gonna be requiring either an act o' Congress to achieve or even an Amendment to the Constitution. we also noted how trump's divisive nature meant Congress were gonna do as little as necessary as the chief executive is not a consensus builder. is a largely impotent President save for foreign affairs... which has always been what scared us most 'bout trump. sucks to be right. so let trump blather on 'bout games. thanks to democracy, trump blather is largely nothing more than noise... but never forget democracy and freedom is actual antagonistic. if a majority o' your neighbors believe your actions is bad, they can, collective, limit or end your freedoms. good. we are the government. we should be able, as a people, be able to limit gd's liberty to dump toxic waste or smoke in restaurants or drive while drunk. sure, we got the Constitution which offers greater protections for a smallish number o' particular freedoms, but such is a defense 'gainst democracy. the tyranny o' the majority is the evil from which the Constitution seeks to protect us. HA! Good Fun! Edited March 9, 2018 by Gromnir 2 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Gfted1 Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 Illegal immigrants with sex, robbery convictions among those who evaded capture after Dem mayor's warning. "What she did is no better than a gang lookout yelling 'police' when a police cruiser comes in the neighborhood, except she did it to an entire community. This is beyond the pale," http://www.sloganizer.net/en/image,Gfted1,black,red.png
Volourn Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 There is no law against a mayor doing this? I would think there would be. Ins't ICE a gov't agency trying to do their law mandated work and she is clearly intervering in it. That seems unbecoming if not outright illegal. Out of all the laws out she ain't at least breaking one/ DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Malcador Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 The arrests included 115 who "had prior felony convictions for serious or violent offenses, such as child sex crimes, weapons charges and assault, or had past convictions for significant or multiple misdemeanors." That's a funny quote, doesn't actually break that number down by the category of offender. Reminds me of the cops in Toronto seizing "weapons" for the G20, only to later admit only one or two out of 20-something were actually illegal to own (they seized some LARPers gear too, tsk). Would be interesting to find out what the legal view of her action or someone alerting people to police is, I would suspect it wouldn't be breaking any law - I find her's to be fairly general - or if it does, seems like a dog pile charge. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Gfted1 Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 @ Volourn: I cant believe its legal either. smh. http://www.sloganizer.net/en/image,Gfted1,black,red.png
Blarghagh Posted March 9, 2018 Author Posted March 9, 2018 Drumpf just hates vidya gaemz bcuz his tiny hands can't hold a controller.
Chilloutman Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 i though obstructing law is illegal everywhere... I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Gfted1 Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 Not in CA, apparently. http://www.sloganizer.net/en/image,Gfted1,black,red.png
HoonDing Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 why aren't illegal immigrants deported immediately upon conviction The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Malcador Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 https://lawandcrime.com/legal-analysis/theres-a-strong-case-that-mayor-who-warned-undocumented-immigrants-of-ice-raid-broke-the-law/ For a good laugh read the comments Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Gromnir Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 (edited) there is indeed obstruction on the books in ca, but obvious this would be a Fed obstruction issue, no? doesn't matter if is CA. were the defendant (mayor) resorting to an act of murder, bribery, intimidation, threats or actual use o' force 'gainst witnesses, court officials or law enforcement? were the defendant misleading law enforcement through scheme or untruth? the obvious stuff for obstruction ain't present. we can find such stuff insofar as trump possible obstructing the russia investigation, but were no coercion or misleading by the mayor in the present case. no doubt the doj is gonna attempt to look for a way to prosecute, but is actual not obvious to Gromnir from a reading o' 18 u.s. code chapter 73 how best to charge the mayor. if the mayor were a lending institution, then warning persons the target o' a subpoena or investigation would be obstruction, but such is not the case in the current scenario. however, am no longer doing criminal law, and have not been part o' a fed obstruction case for almost two decades, so am hardly an expert 'pon such matters. nevertheless, do a read o' 18 u.s. code chapter 73 if you is genuine curious. make sure to read the whole thing too as folks can imagine all kinda stuff into documents and laws n' such if they parse and analogize and whatnot. HA! Good Fun! ps btw, am only speaking as to obstruction. pps read malcador's link. kinda odd reading 18 u.s. code § 3. is 4 case law elements for accessory after the fact: felony, knowledge o' the felony, knowledge o' the felon's identity and misleading by defendant. gonna be a tough slog for accessory after the fact. Edited March 9, 2018 by Gromnir "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
Guard Dog Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 Gromnir I was mentally composing an appropriately snarky response to the way you mis-characterized my little rant on the previous page.... but it seems like more trouble than it's worth on a beautiful Friday. 1 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Guard Dog Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 Bay area coffee shop refuses to serve Police: http://www.kcra.com/article/bay-area-coffee-shop-wont-serve-police-for-safety-of-customers/19299705 What if the cops were gay? "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Malcador Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 Bay area coffee shop refuses to serve Police: http://www.kcra.com/article/bay-area-coffee-shop-wont-serve-police-for-safety-of-customers/19299705 What if the cops were gay? I guess the argument goes, cops is just a profession not a minority group. People tried to make the same argument when the Pride parade organizers banned he cops from marching in uniform - apparently your job is a key and immutable part of your identity. Speaking of cops, https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-asheville-cop-arraigned-on-charges-he-beat-man-over-jaywalking/ While the guy shouldn't have ran, interesting response from the cop. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
majestic Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 why aren't illegal immigrants deported immediately upon conviction You'd be surprised how often that argument comes up in earnest. It's a staple question or demand of many a populist party in Europe at the moment and while it sounds reasonable it is just emotionally loaded. Commiting crimes does lead to deportation. It is not immediate for legal (and moral) reasons. The times were all criminals were just dumped in Australia are sort of over, for better or worse. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering.
Gfted1 Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 Well that and they still have to do the time for the crimes they committed, illegal alien or not. Then we kick them to the curb. The problems are 99 fold: a ridiculously porous border that allows illegal immigration ala a conga line, states and personnel that wantonly disregard the law, and 97 others. http://www.sloganizer.net/en/image,Gfted1,black,red.png
Gromnir Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 https://www.wsj.com/articles/martin-shkreli-sentenced-to-seven-years-in-prison-1520621915 and for those blocked http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/09/news/martin-shkreli-sentencing/index.html perhaps the saddest part o' the story is how much a small fry is martin. in the larger scheme o' what is happening with pharmaceutical companies such as marathon and valeant, martin is an insignificant nobody. martin is hardly a scapegoat, but he is a token sacrifice. HA! Good Fun! 1 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted March 9, 2018 Posted March 9, 2018 Bay area coffee shop refuses to serve Police: http://www.kcra.com/article/bay-area-coffee-shop-wont-serve-police-for-safety-of-customers/19299705 What if the cops were gay? Then maybe when they shoot some unarmed dude certain folks will get upset about it who otherwise wouldn't. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
Raithe Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 Okay, this one amused me somewhat: "When Republicans are asking for your votes in November, remember to tell them 'Now is not the time' and offer your thoughts and prayers." 4 "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum."
Guard Dog Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 Here is a bit of good news. Elizabeth Warren will not run for President in 2020. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/11/warren-no-to-white-house-bid-dna-test-says-heritage-part-who-am.html 1 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Gorgon Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 Illegal immigrants with sex, robbery convictions among those who evaded capture after Dem mayor's warning. "What she did is no better than a gang lookout yelling 'police' when a police cruiser comes in the neighborhood, except she did it to an entire community. This is beyond the pale," Where is all the states' right people on this. A government agency is coming for people who live in your state etc. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
smjjames Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 Probably because California is liberal and the whole sanctuary state/city thing. Here is a bit of good news. Elizabeth Warren will not run for President in 2020. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/11/warren-no-to-white-house-bid-dna-test-says-heritage-part-who-am.html That's what she says right now anyway. Could change after the midterms as politicians get serious on whether they'll run for sure or not.
Volourn Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 "Where is all the states' right people on this. A government agency is coming for people who live in your state etc. " Except, immigration (illegal or otherwise) should be clearly a Federal issue. LMAO DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Guard Dog Posted March 12, 2018 Posted March 12, 2018 @Gorgon: Volo is correct. Article I of the US Constitution makes that the federal government's job. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
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