Backstabbing doable?

[dunehunter]

Anyone manage to make successful backstabbing? My main character has a Stealth of 8 but I find it's impossible to make backstabs. Everytime enemy discovered me before or when I am doing the swing sword action and the attack result into a normal attack instead of backstabbing.

Edited November 20, 2017 by dunehunter

[Katarack21]

Anyone manage to make successful backstabbing? My main character has a Stealth of 8 but I find it's impossible to make backstabs. Everytime enemy discovered me before or when I am doing the swing sword action and the attack result into a normal attack instead of backstabbing.

Yes, I have, but only if I'm in stealth when combat begins and I target an enemy who is engaged by somebody else.

[Boeroer]

I have stealth 6 and usually it's no problem to do a Backstab. I will sneak up from behind or the sides, not the front. Don't know if that helps. I also don't use an ability but an auto attack. Just because that was the best option in PoE, no idea if this is needed in Deadfire.

[cheesevillain]

I've had the same problem doing backstabbing. There's some a bug that intermittently makes NPCs far more aware than normal, making it impossible to backstab (or pickpocket, for that matter). When the bug is not active, backstabbing works very well.

Edited November 20, 2017 by cheesevillain

[TheC]

Try not coming straight at the enemy or wait until your target is engaged. With 8 stealth, you should not be having a problem though honestly. Maybe you cannot do abilities?

[Madscientist]

Does backstab only work from stealth or from invisibility too?

 

I was thinking about an devoted/assassin with escape->shadowing beyond + backstab

[Boeroer]

Yes, that works. I did this. Good combo.

 

In my opinion an Assassin/Soul Blade is even better if you use weapons with high PEN: Deal 100+ damage with a Backstab+Assassinate from stealth to get a ton of focus and most of the time one-shot the enemy, follow up with Soul Annihilation on the second target. That usually deals around 200 damage, also one-shotting. Two enemies dead in the first 3 secs of combat is quite nice. My Devoted/Assassin was good as well, but he couldn't keep up with that.

 

Sneak + Backstab + Assassinate + Soul Whip + Biting Whip is so much damage...

 

I don't use any cipher powers by the way - I only use the focus for Soul Annihilation (ignoring that it's bugged and only uses 5 focus instead of all focus) - it's that good (and raw damage - so screw you PEN mechanics).

 

I two-shotted the titan with Blinding Strike + Soul Annihilation after assasinating the sand thingy that stands close to it. Only thing is I'm really really frail.

Edited November 20, 2017 by Boeroer

[dunehunter]

Yeah I feel mb abilities break stealth, but have to do more test to verify this.

[IndiraLightfoot]

I wonder if it's possible to do it from the front? I had stealth 8 on a character, and I almost went up to an enemy's face and backstabbed it. I was detected like inches before I could land a backstab.

Perhaps it's hardcoded as impossible?

[Katarack21]

I'd accept that. It is a *back*stab.

[IndiraLightfoot]

I'd accept that. It is a *back*stab.

Oh, literal you!

[dunehunter]

The problem is when u reach the white circle of enemies(I guess its their earshot), even when u are behind them, they will turn around as they notice something.

[Boeroer]

Hm, didn't really have problems with that even with 6 stealth. It may also depend on the creature. Some are a lot more perceptive than kith.

 

By the way: Backstab with a reach weapon should be easier (I guess), but I never tested a pike. Does it still have any advantage concerning range/reach?

Edited November 20, 2017 by Boeroer

[morhilane]

By the way: Backstab with a reach weapon should be easier (I guess), but I never tested a pike. Does it still have any advantage concerning range/reach?

 

Quaterstaff still do, so I suspect that the pike do as well, but I haven't tried one either.

 

Quaterstaff is cool though, stand behind the tank while hitting stuff while also being able to get a deflection bonus if you end up "alone". Although, the modal bonus doesn't work against carnage hits.

Edited November 20, 2017 by morhilane

[Boeroer]

I just checked and pike still has reach. The modal is also nice: reducing defenses by 10 on hit. I actually did not check if that works with carnage.

[TheC]

Yes, that works. I did this. Good combo.

 

In my opinion an Assassin/Soul Blade is even better if you use weapons with high PEN: Deal 100+ damage with a Backstab+Assassinate from stealth to get a ton of focus and most of the time one-shot the enemy, follow up with Soul Annihilation on the second target. That usually deals around 200 damage, also one-shotting. Two enemies dead in the first 3 secs of combat is quite nice. My Devoted/Assassin was good as well, but he couldn't keep up with that.

 

Sneak + Backstab + Assassinate + Soul Whip + Biting Whip is so much damage...

 

I don't use any cipher powers by the way - I only use the focus for Soul Annihilation (ignoring that it's bugged and only uses 5 focus instead of all focus) - it's that good (and raw damage - so screw you PEN mechanics).

 

I two-shotted the titan with Blinding Strike + Soul Annihilation after assasinating the sand thingy that stands close to it. Only thing is I'm really really frail.

Well ya. There are 2 things that are OP beyond doubt so far in Beta. Devoted and any multiclass combination/Soul Blade and any multiclass combination.

[dunehunter]

Rogue get 50% damage boost when they attack enemies with afflictions, soul blader get 40% damage boost towards any target, kinda agree here that cipher's talent is a bit too good.

[dam]

Yes, that works. I did this. Good combo.

 

In my opinion an Assassin/Soul Blade is even better if you use weapons with high PEN: Deal 100+ damage with a Backstab+Assassinate from stealth to get a ton of focus and most of the time one-shot the enemy, follow up with Soul Annihilation on the second target. That usually deals around 200 damage, also one-shotting. Two enemies dead in the first 3 secs of combat is quite nice. My Devoted/Assassin was good as well, but he couldn't keep up with that.

 

Sneak + Backstab + Assassinate + Soul Whip + Biting Whip is so much damage...

 

I don't use any cipher powers by the way - I only use the focus for Soul Annihilation (ignoring that it's bugged and only uses 5 focus instead of all focus) - it's that good (and raw damage - so screw you PEN mechanics).

 

I two-shotted the titan with Blinding Strike + Soul Annihilation after assasinating the sand thingy that stands close to it. Only thing is I'm really really frail.

 

 

I'm confused, what Assassinate skill ?

 

Did you mean Finishing Blow ?

[cheesevillain]

I'm confused, what Assassinate skill ?

 

Did you mean Finishing Blow ?

 

 

 

He means the subclass trait of the Rogue/Assassin subclass. It deals more damage when attacking from stealth or invisibility.

[Boeroer]

Exactly. It's a passive and you get it as an Assassin. Called "Assassinate". It works on the same conditions as Backstab (and stacks with that). So basically it's a Backstack.

[dunehunter]

Did some test and it seems that backstab is bugged with ranged attack now, using that ability to turn invis and attack with range weapon doesn't trigger backstab correctly :/

[Boeroer]

from <= 2m range?

[dunehunter]

Yeah using Shadowing beyond and attack enemies with a melee and a ranged. Melee weapon triggers backstab correctly, but ranged doesn't. I tested on both just attack and skills. Neither works.

[Boeroer]

Sounds wrong. This can't be intended. You might want to post a bug report.

[Kaylon]

How many times it's possible to use Shadowing Beyond during a fight? If you can kill an enemy using only attacks from stealth/invisibility and then reset the encounter it can become a great tool for people who solo...