PoE II at E3 2017.

[dukeisaac]

 

 

Wow... I hope the console port doesn't get Pillars a bad rap.

Honestly, I think the price hike by Paradox and the subsequent anger on Steam is worse than a console port... Those reviews are really bad

 

 

Was there a price hike though?  I haven't seen any evidence of it in America.

 

In Canada, there was a definite price hike (from 42$ to 58$). Enough to put off a few of my friends that I've been trying to recruit...

[HooAmEye]

I'd try again, Paradox is rolling back that idiotic descision

[rjshae]

Also there's another gripe about ship.. it seems the ship dont look good to me. The design is so plain. Can they maybe learn from Ubisoft on how good ship looks? Sorry this is no mean of bashing. I just like the ship to look good.

 

It is a little ugly to the eye. The hull doesn't curve naturally from stem to stern, as if they took the hull and stretched it out in the middle. Plus there's almost no vertical curve to the hull. One almost expects it to handle like a barge. A clinker-built look would probably be more interesting, as would exposing the inner frame along the deck sides.

[smjjames]

 

Also there's another gripe about ship.. it seems the ship dont look good to me. The design is so plain. Can they maybe learn from Ubisoft on how good ship looks? Sorry this is no mean of bashing. I just like the ship to look good.

 

It is a little ugly to the eye. The hull doesn't curve naturally from stem to stern, as if they took the hull and stretched it out in the middle. Plus there's almost no vertical curve to the hull. One almost expects it to handle like a barge. A clinker-built look would probably be more interesting, as would exposing the inner frame along the deck sides.

 

 

Some of the artists are visiting the tall sailing ship Star of India next month. While it's a fine example of an oceanic sailing ship, it's a few centuries past the era that Obsidian is going for. I know they are limited in how much time they can spend studying actual period ships, but they should study multiple types.

 

For all we know, they could very well be aware of the criticism, hence the reason for the trip.

Edited June 25, 2017 by smjjames

[injurai]

Can't they just study pictures of historical ships? Or you know, watch Master & Commander?

[smjjames]

Can't they just study pictures of historical ships? Or you know, watch Master & Commander?

 

Nothing like seeing the real thing for yourself though. I looked at the Obsidian main page and they're based in Irvine, California, which is 1-2 hours from San Diego. So, they could easily come down to San Diego for the weekend without cutting into work time.

 

It's an opportunity for them and they're taking it.

 

And don't forget, it's in active service, meaning that they can ride on it while it goes for a tour or something.

Edited June 25, 2017 by smjjames

[rjshae]

They could also take a look at the Ubena von Bremen, which is somewhat similar in form (albeit without the gun deck).

[smjjames]

They could also take a look at the Ubena von Bremen, which is somewhat similar in form (albeit without the gun deck).

 

This? They'd have to travel to Germany for that, and wrong time period anyway.

 

A caravel would be more like the small kind of ship that they want.

 

Or maybe a Schooner, both of which are period style ships.

Edited June 25, 2017 by smjjames

[rjshae]

 

They could also take a look at the Ubena von Bremen, which is somewhat similar in form (albeit without the gun deck).

 

This? They'd have to travel to Germany for that, and wrong time period anyway.

 

A caravel would be more like the small kind of ship that they want.

 

Or maybe a Schooner, both of which are period style ships.

 

They can surely view the many photographs available on the web, which provide a number of useful details.

 

Agreed, a caravel would be a better fit, although most of those had more than one mast. The lanteen sails might get in the way of the deck view though.

Edited June 25, 2017 by rjshae

[JerekKruger]

I'd be happy for Obsidian to broaden the span of history they're roughly basing Pillars on when it comes to ship types if it means we get more and cooler ships. There's no reason for the setting to exactly follow real world history, and we can explain the disparity by different cultures having different aptitudes for ship building (Vailians and Ruatai are more advanced than Adeyr and Dyrwood for example).

[anameforobsidian]

Or they could use non-Western boats.  Junks were well before and after this period in China.

  

[TheisEjsing]

I'd like a 5$ DLC with this boat please 

[smjjames]

I wonder when we'll get to see the other two companions, Serafina and Takehu, in screenshots/vids?......

[Osvir]

@Ships: Do you think there'll be different types of ships? Like, you have 1, then you can upgrade to a bigger one, and then even further to another one?

Also, Pallegina mentions at some point in the game (Don't remember if it was in a Banter between her and Kana, or if it was in dialogue, implying that Rauatai ships are "strange looking"). They have the best artillery and cannon tech.

Oooh, random event when near a shore or island, or quest stuff. Rauatai artillery bombarding your ship. Could be pretty epic, scripted interaction of avoiding the bombardments and getting closer and closer towards the beach, finalized into taking the beach and fighting isometric.

[injurai]

Rauatai ships are apparently incredible fast, and look weird.

 

Pallegina implies that Kana's pride in his nations ships is misplaced because what matters is efficient trade, which the Vailian Republics exceed at. No fast gunships.

 

Rauatai is a gulf so the ships probably aren't made for long distance trans-oceanic transport of goods and people.

 

I kind of imagine Rauatai ships being like Malay Junks.

 

 

[smjjames]

Ships from another culture, like say, the Chinese 'junks' or injurai's example could certainly look odd or just plain different from someone used to European style ships.

 

Also, if your character is from Old Vailia and you talk with Kana about Rauatai ships, he makes a comment about Rauatai catamarans would run circles around Old Vailian carracks or something. I forget what ship types were mentioned in the dialogue.

 

@osvir: There was a funding goal for being able to obtain other ship types mentioned in a fig update.

 

edit: Found the line of conversation I was talking about: ""The grandest, sure. Houses on the water." Kana laughs. "Give me a sleek Rauatai ketch heavy with cannons and I'll still run circles around your Vailian carracks.""

 

A Ketch is a real ship type, but they're more like big sailboats and while they have been used for war in the past, they're no galleon. Plus Kana was likely exaggerating and boasting somewhat.

Edited June 26, 2017 by smjjames

[injurai]

Yeah, at first I was thinking Rauatai ships might be like Proa, since those are really fast. But they seem more suited to the Deadfire, and even the largest of those probably couldn't handle cannoning.

 

But catamarans could be very likely for the Rauatai and certainly could fit cannons. I vaguely remember Kana saying catamarans, maybe that's why I was thinking proa.

[smjjames]

I thought Kana might have said catamaran, but the previous post which I updated, shows that he said ketch, not catamaran, going to look again if he did say catamaran.

 

Not seeing any mention of catamaran. *shrug*

Edited June 26, 2017 by smjjames

[injurai]

I had to look up what a ketch was. Those are beautiful. The also look really fast. I might be siding with Kana, screw trade when you have the wind in your hair.

Edited June 26, 2017 by injurai

[Karkarov]

Ruatai definitely is not using Junks.  They have the biggest/best cannons in the world, you can't get a compliment of cannon on a Junk.  Craploads of oarsmen can make up for bigger/heavier.

[smjjames]

Where did you get the idea that they use oars for propulsion?

[dukeisaac]

New video from Update 36 on Fig yall.

 

 

Nothing new really, but still interesting. I actually would have like Adam to explain or at least acknowledge the different "inspirations" or state that are affecting party members (aware, concentrated, etc).

Edited June 27, 2017 by dukeisaac

[injurai]

So I haven't really seen anyone else mention this from the E3 content.

 

The Beyond. I'm really excited to see what this has in store for us. Seems to be more than just a single level sort of "wizards domain" like in Diablo 2 Act II or Micolash's Nightmare of Bloodborne.

[Quillon]

Guess its like "fade" of dragon age.

[rjshae]

I could see the Rauatai having large domestic sea creatures that they can use to tow vessels. Plus they probably know more about keeping the barnacles from growing on their hulls, so they typically would have much cleaner laminar flow at sea. Maybe they grow their underwater hulls as guided coral shapes, rather than building from wood?