French Election : Macron Victory

[Hurlshort]

So France and Germany is now lead by people with no stake in the future of their respective countries as they have no children of their own. Interesting.

 

That's an interesting way to look at it. Is that like the idea that people without religion are immoral?

[Chilloutman]

 

So France and Germany is now lead by people with no stake in the future of their respective countries as they have no children of their own. Interesting.

 

That's an interesting way to look at it. Is that like the idea that people without religion are immoral?

 

no its like idea that people without religion push secular ideas. Don't understand where you get religion = morality

Edited May 8, 2017 by Chilloutman

[Pidesco]

So France and Germany is now lead by people with no stake in the future of their respective countries as they have no children of their own. Interesting.

 

 

Baby boomers had more kids than you can shake a stick at and the world's slowly stumbling towards catastrophe thanks to their active efforts. Seems to me that having kids is not a reliable predictor towards a person's ability to give a rat's ass about said kids' future.

[Hurlshort]

 

 

So France and Germany is now lead by people with no stake in the future of their respective countries as they have no children of their own. Interesting.

 

That's an interesting way to look at it. Is that like the idea that people without religion are immoral?

 

no its like idea that people without religion push secular ideas. Don't understand where you get religion = morality

 

 

It's a pretty popular idea, I am certainly not saying I agree with it. Of course the idea that you need to have children in order to respect the future also seems a bit off to me. 

[Chilloutman]

 

 

 

So France and Germany is now lead by people with no stake in the future of their respective countries as they have no children of their own. Interesting.

 

That's an interesting way to look at it. Is that like the idea that people without religion are immoral?

 

no its like idea that people without religion push secular ideas. Don't understand where you get religion = morality

 

 

It's a pretty popular idea, I am certainly not saying I agree with it. Of course the idea that you need to have children in order to respect the future also seems a bit off to me.

 

I was not agreeing with his statement completely, I just don't like your example at all. Especially you as teacher should know that morality was not associated with religion from dawn of civilisation (eg ancient Greek philosophers), and then you have people like Kant

 

Also most religions are amoral and hypocritical as example from bible:

 

"How do you want people to deal with you, so do you with them."

 

because it usually expect that its relevant for only followers of that religion, so its fine to be 'amoral' to others as long as they don't belong to your 'group'

[Agiel]

 

 

 

So France and Germany is now lead by people with no stake in the future of their respective countries as they have no children of their own. Interesting.

 

That's an interesting way to look at it. Is that like the idea that people without religion are immoral?

 

no its like idea that people without religion push secular ideas. Don't understand where you get religion = morality

 

 

It's a pretty popular idea, I am certainly not saying I agree with it. Of course the idea that you need to have children in order to respect the future also seems a bit off to me. 

 

 

Given that we live on the cusp of what may be the most dramatic technological disruption of the workforce (i.e. automation), perhaps that Voluntary Human Extinction Movement was onto something. 

[Hurlshort]

I was not agreeing with his statement completely, I just don't like your example at all. Especially you as teacher should know that morality was not associated with religion from dawn of civilisation (eg ancient Greek philosophers), and then you have people like Kant

 

Also most religions are amoral and hypocritical as example from bible:

 

"How do you want people to deal with you, so do you with them."

 

because it usually expect that its relevant for only followers of that religion, so its fine to be 'amoral' to others as long as they don't belong to your 'group'

 

 

I wasn't talking about the history of religion or even the reality of religion. I was talking about perception. It is a popular perception in countries where these religions are dominant that Christianity and Islam provide a moral compass and those without it are lacking. Again, it is not an idea I agree with, I am simply saying it exists. My question was; is it similar to the idea that only people with children can be concerned about the future; which is what Meshugger put forward.

[Chilloutman]

 

I was not agreeing with his statement completely, I just don't like your example at all. Especially you as teacher should know that morality was not associated with religion from dawn of civilisation (eg ancient Greek philosophers), and then you have people like Kant

 

Also most religions are amoral and hypocritical as example from bible:

 

"How do you want people to deal with you, so do you with them."

 

because it usually expect that its relevant for only followers of that religion, so its fine to be 'amoral' to others as long as they don't belong to your 'group'

 

I wasn't talking about the history of religion or even the reality of religion. I was talking about perception. It is a popular perception in countries where these religions are dominant that Christianity and Islam provide a moral compass and those without it are lacking. Again, it is not an idea I agree with, I am simply saying it exists. My question was; is it similar to the idea that only people with children can be concerned about the future; which is what Meshugger put forward.

 

and that is why I wrote:

 

''no its like idea that people without religion push secular ideas.''

[Hurlshort]

I would think that would be more like "People without kids push not having kids"

 

(edit: which they totally do with all their vacations and free time.    )

Edited May 8, 2017 by Hurlshot

[Chilloutman]

I would think that would be more like "People without kids push not having kids"

 

(edit: which they totally do with all their vacations and free time.    )

more like people without kids push for private schools - there i finally make decent analogy

[BruceVC]

 

I was not agreeing with his statement completely, I just don't like your example at all. Especially you as teacher should know that morality was not associated with religion from dawn of civilisation (eg ancient Greek philosophers), and then you have people like Kant

 

Also most religions are amoral and hypocritical as example from bible:

 

"How do you want people to deal with you, so do you with them."

 

because it usually expect that its relevant for only followers of that religion, so its fine to be 'amoral' to others as long as they don't belong to your 'group'

 

 

I wasn't talking about the history of religion or even the reality of religion. I was talking about perception. It is a popular perception in countries where these religions are dominant that Christianity and Islam provide a moral compass and those without it are lacking. Again, it is not an idea I agree with, I am simply saying it exists. My question was; is it similar to the idea that only people with children can be concerned about the future; which is what Meshugger put forward.

 

Sometimes people do fallaciously believe this, its a normal view I would think as if you have kids you may assume your concern for the future is logical ....but its a misperception, well meaning of course

 

I have many objectives for the future based on numerous realities....

[Chilloutman]

 

 

I was not agreeing with his statement completely, I just don't like your example at all. Especially you as teacher should know that morality was not associated with religion from dawn of civilisation (eg ancient Greek philosophers), and then you have people like Kant

 

Also most religions are amoral and hypocritical as example from bible:

 

"How do you want people to deal with you, so do you with them."

 

because it usually expect that its relevant for only followers of that religion, so its fine to be 'amoral' to others as long as they don't belong to your 'group'

 

I wasn't talking about the history of religion or even the reality of religion. I was talking about perception. It is a popular perception in countries where these religions are dominant that Christianity and Islam provide a moral compass and those without it are lacking. Again, it is not an idea I agree with, I am simply saying it exists. My question was; is it similar to the idea that only people with children can be concerned about the future; which is what Meshugger put forward.

 

Sometimes people do fallaciously believe this, its a normal view I would think as if you have kids you may assume your concern for the future is logical ....but its a misperception, well meaning of course

 

I have many objectives for the future based on numerous realities....

 

that's the problem, there is only one reality...

[Malcador]

So France and Germany is now lead by people with no stake in the future of their respective countries as they have no children of their own. Interesting.

They may have nieces or nephews. Would be a good premise for a novel, a world where only the parents have a say.

[majestic]

My friend trust me there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the EU, it is exactly as it always has been. Its an economic union and offers any country that is prepared to integrate into the single market real economic growth and sustainability 

 

Unless you happen to be a country that Germany conveniently uses to devaluate the Euro in order to maximize their exports. In which case you're pretty much scewed for years to come. It also really put a dent to the entire "union" part of the union. Because instead of helping and punishing the real culprit of the entire mess it's time to kick someone who is already on their last leg for fun and profit.

 

Oh, and you're one of the biggest defenders of that. But that's okay I guess, I mean, it comes with the turf and all.

[Ben No.3]

 

My friend trust me there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the EU, it is exactly as it always has been. Its an economic union and offers any country that is prepared to integrate into the single market real economic growth and sustainability

Unless you happen to be a country that Germany conveniently uses to devaluate the Euro in order to maximize their exports. In which case you're pretty much scewed for years to come. It also really put a dent to the entire "union" part of the union. Because instead of helping and punishing the real culprit of the entire mess it's time to kick someone who is already on their last leg for fun and profit.

 

Oh, and you're one of the biggest defenders of that. But that's okay I guess, I mean, it comes with the turf and all.

He isn't a defender, he just sees an illusion ^^

[aluminiumtrioxid]

So France and Germany is now lead by people with no stake in the future of their respective countries as they have no children of their own. Interesting.

 

 

> what is patriotism

> what is being invested in your country's future on the basis of liking what your country stands for

 

sure buddy, the only way you could possibly be invested in your country's future is by having kids.

[ShadySands]

I would think that would be more like "People without kids push not having kids"

 

(edit: which they totally do with all their vacations and free time.    )

This

 

I don't have kids and I can totally recommend it

[Agiel]

Lest we forget:

 

Edited May 8, 2017 by Agiel

[HoonDing]

"sure buddy, the only way you could possibly be invested in your country's future is by having kids."

 

so muslims with their 50 kids are the greatest patriots after all

[Meshugger]

 

So France and Germany is now lead by people with no stake in the future of their respective countries as they have no children of their own. Interesting.

 

That's an interesting way to look at it. Is that like the idea that people without religion are immoral?

 

 

People base their morals on many things. Survival, reason, religion to name a few, but i see that as a different question, dwelving into the metaphysical.

 

 

So France and Germany is now lead by people with no stake in the future of their respective countries as they have no children of their own. Interesting.

 

 

> what is patriotism

> what is being invested in your country's future on the basis of liking what your country stands for

 

sure buddy, the only way you could possibly be invested in your country's future is by having kids.

 

 

Leaders without kids tend to overcompensate when it comes to having a stake in the future of a society, often with weird results, as shown with Merkel. Perhaps Macron will be different and act out of pure reason, but his cold eyes seems to suggest something else.   

[Blarghagh]

Because it's fine to judge someone by their cold stare, but you can't judge someone by their fake hair. :D

[Chilloutman]

Because it's fine to judge someone by their cold stare, but you can't judge someone by their fake hair. :D

Eyes are window into the soul!

[BruceVC]

 

My friend trust me there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the EU, it is exactly as it always has been. Its an economic union and offers any country that is prepared to integrate into the single market real economic growth and sustainability 

 

Unless you happen to be a country that Germany conveniently uses to devaluate the Euro in order to maximize their exports. In which case you're pretty much scewed for years to come. It also really put a dent to the entire "union" part of the union. Because instead of helping and punishing the real culprit of the entire mess it's time to kick someone who is already on their last leg for fun and profit.

 

Oh, and you're one of the biggest defenders of that. But that's okay I guess, I mean, it comes with the turf and all.

 

Dont be a hater young man, remember money cant buy you happiness.... but it can buy everything else    

[Ben No.3]

 

 

My friend trust me there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the EU, it is exactly as it always has been. Its an economic union and offers any country that is prepared to integrate into the single market real economic growth and sustainability

Unless you happen to be a country that Germany conveniently uses to devaluate the Euro in order to maximize their exports. In which case you're pretty much scewed for years to come. It also really put a dent to the entire "union" part of the union. Because instead of helping and punishing the real culprit of the entire mess it's time to kick someone who is already on their last leg for fun and profit.

 

Oh, and you're one of the biggest defenders of that. But that's okay I guess, I mean, it comes with the turf and all.

Dont be a hater young man, remember money cant buy you happiness.... but it can buy everything else

Money can't buy you freedom, it takes it. Mauvaise fois 101

 

[Chilloutman]

 

 

 

My friend trust me there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the EU, it is exactly as it always has been. Its an economic union and offers any country that is prepared to integrate into the single market real economic growth and sustainability

Unless you happen to be a country that Germany conveniently uses to devaluate the Euro in order to maximize their exports. In which case you're pretty much scewed for years to come. It also really put a dent to the entire "union" part of the union. Because instead of helping and punishing the real culprit of the entire mess it's time to kick someone who is already on their last leg for fun and profit.

 

Oh, and you're one of the biggest defenders of that. But that's okay I guess, I mean, it comes with the turf and all.

 

Dont be a hater young man, remember money cant buy you happiness.... but it can buy everything else

 

Money can't buy you freedom, it takes it. Mauvaise fois 101

 

 

quite opposite actually, well, as long as you have them