Politics 2017 part V

[Wrath of Dagon]

Spicer's comment was dumb and historically ignorant, but the reaction to it is way overblown, just another way to attack Trump. Clearly Spicer was referring to battlefield use of chemical weapons, and was trying to attack Assad, not defend hitler.

 

Clearly the person you want in a crisis: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/328405-clinton-campaign-plagued-by-bickering

[Elerond]

Spicer's comment was dumb and historically ignorant, but the reaction to it is way overblown, just another way to attack Trump. Clearly Spicer was referring to battlefield use of chemical weapons, and was trying to attack Assad, not defend hitler.

 

Clearly the person you want in a crisis: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/328405-clinton-campaign-plagued-by-bickering

 

But Nazis actually used chemical weapons on battlefield against Soviet Union (at least in Sevastopol (where they gassed city's defenders that had hidden in tunnels under city and in Kuban where they drop gas mountain range in order to kill soldiers fortified there). But mainly all sides avoided to use them in fear of that other side also starts to use them, although Japanese used them against Chinese, probably because there was no fear that Chinese would do counter attacks in Japan. But one thing where Spicer was right was that Nazis didn't use chemical weapons against their own citizens same way as Assad, meaning that they didn't bombarded their own cities with them they just gathered citizens in concentration camps where they gassed them. But I agree that Spicer tried to attack Assad, but he really picked bad way to go with it.

[Wrath of Dagon]

That's the first I heard of use in the Soviet Union. Do you have a source?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Googlfu

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=sSDP-XiRMwUC&pg=PA339#v=onepage&q&f=false

[Wrath of Dagon]

Interesting. Doesn't seem to be a widely known incident.

[Elerond]

That's the first I heard of use in the Soviet Union. Do you have a source?

 

Chris Bellamy, Absolute War: Soviet Russia in the Second World War (Knopf, 2008).

Israelyan, Victor. On the Battlefields of the Cold War: A Soviet Ambassador's Confession. p. 339.

Merridale, Catherine, Ivan's War, Faber & Faber: pp. 148-150.

 

Kuban thing is from Russian source 

[Malcador]

Denying the holocaust during a white house press conference on the day of a Jewish holiday is certainly an interesting new low.

Don't think it was denying, just a foot in mouth moment. Holocaust centres was sort of weird though, sounds like some bureaucrat's soulless term for it

[Malcador]

Sorry it wasn't obvious but I was being facetious. I'm generally annoyed when a group thinks they have a monopoly on suffering. Its been 72 years. Let it go.

How are they acting as if they have a monopoly, though? It is a significant thing to them so they spend their energy on remembering it. How do you want them to "let it go", as well?

[Malcador]

Trump is giving a painful speech about NATO. Apparently only now does NATO fight terrorism and is not obsolete, due to him.

 

Leaders these days are terrible orators. Harper was a soulless lizardman and Trudeau always speaks with a jerky flow.

[Wrath of Dagon]

Trump made NATO great again!

[Gfted1]

How are they acting as if they have a monopoly, though? It is a significant thing to them so they spend their energy on remembering it. How do you want them to "let it go", as well?

Wheres the cutoff for whining? Did you know that my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandpappy, Augustus Gvtedus XIVIIXIII! was fed to the lions in Rome for being a Christian? I tried to get reparations from the Italian government but they told me "così pisciare su un recinto elettrico".

 

Nah, I'm just kidding. I suppose I feel that once the event is over and the threat is removed, people should stop acting persecuted.

[Malcador]

 

How are they acting as if they have a monopoly, though? It is a significant thing to them so they spend their energy on remembering it. How do you want them to "let it go", as well?

Wheres the cutoff for whining? Did you know that my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandpappy, Augustus Gvtedus XIVIIXIII! was fed to the lions in Rome for being a Christian? I tried to get reparations from the Italian government but they told me "così pisciare su un recinto elettrico".

 

Nah, I'm just kidding. I suppose I feel that once the event is over and the threat is removed, people should stop acting persecuted.

 

Well, Italian government now has nothing much to do with Rome, I don't think they are the same ethnic group after the fall, etc. Not sure it is 'whining', in a genral sense, to take issue with someone denying, diminishing or making light of a tragedy that matters to you - especially one fairly recent and impactful like the Holocaust.

[HoonDing]

"Wheres the cutoff for whining? Did you know that my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandpappy, Augustus Gvtedus XIVIIXIII! was fed to the lions in Rome for being a Christian?"

 

So? Your grandpappy was breaking Roman law.

[Gfted1]

Well, Italian government now has nothing much to do with Rome, I don't think they are the same ethnic group after the fall, etc. Not sure it is 'whining', in a genral sense, to take issue with someone denying, diminishing or making light of a tragedy that matters to you - especially one fairly recent and impactful like the Holocaust.

I am willing to concede that 72 years isn't that long. Out of morbid curiosity I googled "living holocaust survivors", and they cast a pretty wide net, but the number is ~100,000. They say the youngest would be ~71. Interesting!  

 

"Wheres the cutoff for whining? Did you know that my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandpappy, Augustus Gvtedus XIVIIXIII! was fed to the lions in Rome for being a Christian?"

 

So? Your grandpappy was breaking Roman law.

Probably. He was a rascal, or so the family papyrus tell me.

[Gromnir]

Trump is giving a painful speech about NATO. Apparently only now does NATO fight terrorism and is not obsolete, due to him.

 

Leaders these days are terrible orators. Harper was a soulless lizardman and Trudeau always speaks with a jerky flow.

trump never quite shifted out of campaign mode.  he continues speaking to the less than 40% of american voters who actual approve o' him.  for every issue, trump needs a worldwide electoral college and a hillary clinton adversary for his shtick to resonate.

 

to be fair, we find most political orators to be... feculent.  blah. blah. blah.  folks spoke to us 'bout what a great speaker were reagan, and we never got it. 

 

is maybe a handful o' exceptions:

 

 

a foremost exception.

 

"Augustus Gvtedus XIVIIXIII"

 

for almost a full second, we attempted to figure out what obvious imaginary number the above might represent. a mashup o' 14, 2, 13 would be... an utter ridiculous waste of time we obvious indulged in and then bothered to comment 'pon in a post.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[ShadySands]

Man, I watched that whole video then looked her up

[Gromnir]

Man, I watched that whole video then looked her up

"who is your role-model?" doesn't come up in conversations often, but it happens.  our answer is "barbara jordan."  typical we get blank stares.  explanation often causes more confusion.  am considered libertarian/conservative in our social circle.  professionally we gets lumped in with the current textualists.  as such, am s'posing barbara jordan might seem like an odd choice.  

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Orogun01]

 

Man, I watched that whole video then looked her up

"who is your role-model?" doesn't come up in conversations often, but it happens.  our answer is "barbara jordan."  typical we get blank stares.  explanation often causes more confusion.  am considered libertarian/conservative in our social circle.  professionally we gets lumped in with the current textualists.  as such, am s'posing barbara jordan might seem like an odd choice.  

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

Mine's Andrew Jackson, my group already knows i'm crazy.

[Malcador]

Mine is Peter Gibbons.

[Zoraptor]

Spicer really does illustrate why comparisons to Hitler in just about anything are asinine at best. While some of the reactions are certainly outrage trolling you're setting yourself up for it just by making the comparison, and its use in itself is a form of outrage trolling as well. Self inflicted injury well deserved for being an idiot.

[Hurlshort]

I don't think this is going to improve under the new administration...

 

[BruceVC]

 

 

It's those Spicer comments

Okay but to be fair we should put this in perspective, it was more his normal habit of misspeaking and displaying different degrees of ignorance and lack of empathy

 

He will be gone in 6 months, I guarantee it

 

Because their is an accusation the Trump presidency is anti-Semitic but his son in law is Jared Kushner who is a close confidant of Trump and is Jewish. And his daughter converted when she married Kushner. So I find that hard to believe. Im sure there are other people within the presidency are anti-Semitic but not Trump

How is it that it will take six months to remove this guy? How is it that we are okay with even the slightest chance of antisemites sitting in the White House staff?

 

On the bright side, Trump might lead the whole system into collapse.

 

We cant say he is anti-Semitic, he may just be very ignorant and thoughtless

 

That's the point but either way he will be gone as he has made far too many controversial public comments when he tends to misspeak 

[BruceVC]

 

How are they acting as if they have a monopoly, though? It is a significant thing to them so they spend their energy on remembering it. How do you want them to "let it go", as well?

Wheres the cutoff for whining? Did you know that my great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandpappy, Augustus Gvtedus XIVIIXIII! was fed to the lions in Rome for being a Christian? I tried to get reparations from the Italian government but they told me "così pisciare su un recinto elettrico".

 

Nah, I'm just kidding. I suppose I feel that once the event is over and the threat is removed, people should stop acting persecuted.

 

You would hate some of the discussion in SA then Due to Apartheid we have groups of  white people who are wracked by guilt for numerous historical events and also have somehow accepted or now believe we as white South Africans are responsible for every historical genocide or abuse of indigenous people in the world 

 

For example the one day this young white girl phones in on  one of the talk shows and tells the black talk show host " we as white people have no respect for cultures ", she then proceeded to give an example of young white people wearing Native American head gear at raves and how they get wasted  and how it is "utterly disgusting the lack of cultural respect these white people have " 

 

Now in the USA  I understand this can be offensive but the average white South African has never been to the USA  and knows nothing about the history of Native Americans let alone that wearing headgear would be considered offensive

 

So this young girl basically has read some website or been told " the only way you will be accepted in the new SA  is to hate your race and phone in on  talk shows to tell other white people how degenerate they are "   Its actually one big guilt trip where we are suppose to accept responsibility for everything the white race has ever done globally and historically

 

I reject those kind of unhelpful generalizations about any race

[Gfted1]

South African youths raving in NA headgear? Huh. I dont know anything about NA culture so I didnt know that was considered disrespectful either! I think I may have even had a faux one of my own when I was a wee demon. Authentic ones are spectacular to behold.

[Lexx]

It is (said to be). Long time ago I've read lots of rage stories from people going to A Tribe called Red concerts, etc who complained about white people wearing em headgears and such. I personally think they should feel cool about it, because it shows the fans having interest in this kind of stuff, but most decide to feel insulted.