Coup or attempted coup in Turkey

[Fighter]

If all of the people that have been purged already had really been involved it probably would not have failed.

[BruceVC]

But guys despite Turkeys internal domestic strife the country is of immense strategic value to the West and is important to ensure stability in the region

 

So we dont want Turkey to fail 

[Fighter]

West has no problem supporting the worst when it suits. See Saudi Arabia.

[BruceVC]

West has no problem supporting the worst when it suits. See Saudi Arabia.

Turkey is not the worst in the region, not by a long shot. Remember Turkey is instrumental in areas like 

 

• The airstrike campaign against ISIS, Turkey provides logistical  support to numerous Western air forces
• Turkey is very important in helping to process and contain large numbers of refugees wanting to get into the EU

ISIS is still the worst by far 

[Drowsy Emperor]

Turkey was instrumental in the creation and expansion of ISIS. 

Edited July 17, 2016 by Drowsy Emperor

[Fighter]

Bruce...

 

 

[BruceVC]

Bruce...

 

 

What ?

 

Just summarize in a few lines what you think I'm missing?

[Fighter]

I'm telling you not to worry about it. The west's principles don't get in the way of the west's interests.

[Calax]

Basically, if Erdogan (or whatever his name is) decides to cut off the US base, and wants to play hardball with the USA, He's going to lose... and lose HARD.

 

Especially when the US is going to have to replace that Air Force base with a Carrier or two.

[Hassat Hunter]

Turkey was instrumental in the creation and expansion of ISIS.

And here I thought it was the west causing their ****storm in Iraq and Syria. Cause you know Afghanistan worked SO well in the 80s

[Gorgon]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/16/fethullah-gulen-turkey-coup-erdogan

 

"Fethullah Gülen: Turkey coup may have been 'staged' by Erdoğan regime"

 

Erdogan blames Gulen, Gulen blames Erdogan. Hm.

Burning of the Reichstag, who knows.

[Mamoulian War]

Basically, if Erdogan (or whatever his name is) decides to cut off the US base, and wants to play hardball with the USA, He's going to lose... and lose HARD.

 

Especially when the US is going to have to replace that Air Force base with a Carrier or two.

Unless he decides to play lovey-dovey with Vladimir. Then he will probably not lose at all.

[HoonDing]

Isn't Russia a big supporter of Armenia though?

[Calax]

 

Basically, if Erdogan (or whatever his name is) decides to cut off the US base, and wants to play hardball with the USA, He's going to lose... and lose HARD.

 

Especially when the US is going to have to replace that Air Force base with a Carrier or two.

Unless he decides to play lovey-dovey with Vladimir. Then he will probably not lose at all.

 

Turkey has, for a LONG time, been at odds with the Soviets and friends with the US. Long enough to have pissed off most of their soviet leaning neighbors.

 

Remember, the Cuban Missile Crisis was solved, in part, by the US moving nukes out of Turkey. Just because the current political leadership feels it's inconvenient for them to be allied with the US at this point, doesn't mean they can just "Switch Sides" over night and be buddies with all the former soviet Satellite states around them. Also, alienating the west means that the deals over Refugee's could fall apart for Turkey

[Mamoulian War]

Europe is to afraid of millions of refugees to act rationaly.

 

Kemalistic Turkey was big ally of the West. But who knows, maybe Erdogan was behind the scenes whipped so much from his western "allies", that switching sides has for his goals much more positives. And there will be no Kemalists to pose a threat to his decisions, soon.

[obyknven]

Meanwhile in Aleppo - SAA make nice pocket for moderate beheaders. 

 

 

Yep, looks like majority of "Syrian freedom fighters" suddenly become too busy by Turkish coup.

[Meshugger]

What am i looking at, what do the colors represent and how have they changed from before?

[BruceVC]

What am i looking at, what do the colors represent and how have they changed from before?

Why are you entertaining Oby's posts and assessments as factual or based on the reality of any global conflict ?

 

Are you that bored?

[Meshugger]

 

What am i looking at, what do the colors represent and how have they changed from before?

Why are you entertaining Oby's posts and assessments as factual or based on the reality of any global conflict ?

 

Are you that bored?

 

 

Now don't you worry now. My attention for you will not diminish despite me reaching out to other people.

[Chilloutman]

shame it failed. Well, another reason to not let Turkey into EU

[Bartimaeus]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-plot-insight-idUSKCN0ZX0Q9

 

"At height of Turkish coup bid, rebel jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights"

[BruceVC]

 

 

What am i looking at, what do the colors represent and how have they changed from before?

Why are you entertaining Oby's posts and assessments as factual or based on the reality of any global conflict ?

 

Are you that bored?

 

 

Now don't you worry now. My attention for you will not diminish despite me reaching out to other people.

 

My concern has always been about people believing misinformation about the West, the EU and the future of the lifestyles we are use to and cherish. And those lifestyles are based and grounded on Western ideology which just means things like 

 

• Governments elected by the people and accountable to the people 
• Effective governments that maintain institutions
• Governments that respect the rule of law and order
• Governments that respect human rights 
• Economies that are driven and sustained by the free market

 

These are part of the structures that basically all Western countries and  Western societies adhere to  and these systems work !!!!

 

Thats why the citizens of Western countries have the best quality of life and in most cases also have the happiest citizens in the world 

[obyknven]

Tell these fairy tales to Liberians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Liberian_Civil_War

Western support to cannibalistic warcriminal Samuel Doe

 

But backstab him later with help of another warcriminal/CIA agent Charles Taylor - make new genocidal war... Much later West backstab this |"tool|" also.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Liberian_Civil_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_Leone_Civil_War

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-16627628

 

In result West give "power" to sister of this nice men (very talented filmmaker, he made best movies about torture/cannibalism ever).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Johnson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Johnson_Sirleaf

In current time Liberia is just sobslave of US.

Sirleaf has forged close relations with the United States, Liberia's traditional ally. Following the establishment of United States Africa Command (AFRICOM) by the United States military, Sirleaf offered to allow the US to headquarter the new command in Liberia, the only African leader to do so.[54] The command was eventually headquartered in Stuttgart, Germany. On 15 March 2006, President Sirleaf addressed a joint meeting of the United States Congress, asking for American support to help her country "become a brilliant beacon, an example to Africa and the world of what love of liberty can achieve."[

So much Western Democracy/Human Rights lol.

[Meshugger]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-plot-insight-idUSKCN0ZX0Q9

 

"At height of Turkish coup bid, rebel jets had Erdogan's plane in their sights"

 

How strange they didn't shoot it down, interesting.

 

 

 

 

What am i looking at, what do the colors represent and how have they changed from before?

Why are you entertaining Oby's posts and assessments as factual or based on the reality of any global conflict ?

 

Are you that bored?

 

 

Now don't you worry now. My attention for you will not diminish despite me reaching out to other people.

 

My concern has always been about people believing misinformation about the West, the EU and the future of the lifestyles we are use to and cherish. And those lifestyles are based and grounded on Western ideology which just means things like 

 

• Governments elected by the people and accountable to the people 
• Effective governments that maintain institutions
• Governments that respect the rule of law and order
• Governments that respect human rights 
• Economies that are driven and sustained by the free market

 

These are part of the structures that basically all Western countries and  Western societies adhere to  and these systems work !!!!

 

Thats why the citizens of Western countries have the best quality of life and in most cases also have the happiest citizens in the world 

 

 

You make it sound like those things just popped into existence; nothing does. The existence of those institutions are manifestations of the values of the people inhabiting in those states. Not the other way around. Just look how a top-down order like Kemalism have completely deteriorated to effectively become extinct now in Turkey.

 

And in other news:

 

[Fighter]

Defending democracy: