Brussels Airport Explosions

[Meshugger]

It's self-evident. Saying that any society should accept a rise a crime, because reasons, is downright appaling. 

[Hurlshort]

 

But who teaches you about ISIS?  So for example I would like to ask you 3 questions about ISIS,  I am not going to agree or disagree with your responses I just want to see how you respond 

 

• How did ISIS get created 
• What does ISIS want 
• Who is aligned with ISIS globally?

 

I'm sorry if these may seem hard so please only answer what you can or want to 

 

 

The answer to all 3 is the Illuminati, obviously.

 

Just kidding.  I use wikipedia of course. 

[BruceVC]

It's self-evident. Saying that any society should accept a rise a crime, because reasons, is downright appaling. 

Thank you, now I get your view. Please dont assume I know what lol means

 

 

Its not that any society accepts a rise in crime, its a reality that you guys live  a first world block of countries where in many places crime is non-existent...the EU is an amazing and successful political experiment and you should be proud

 

But we have to now look at the reality, the EU has accepted about 2 million refugees from Syria...unfortunately also people from other countries taking advantage. There is no point blaming Merkel....lets focus on how to best address the situation with honesty and realism

 

 

• 90 % of these refugees come from war torn and economically destitute countries ....I have been to some African countries where some of these refugees come from and I cannot tell you how bad it is. But in the EU most people come from Syria....5 years of war. You need to accept that  there will be a small percentage  5 % of these people who will not assimilate and may commit crime
• You cannot know " who will commit crime "but it will happen, its important we dont overreact and judge all Muslims 
• You dont have to believe me but I'm positioning the reality of your situation...how you deal with it is up to you

[Gfted1]

lol = laugh out loud

[BruceVC]

 

 

But who teaches you about ISIS?  So for example I would like to ask you 3 questions about ISIS,  I am not going to agree or disagree with your responses I just want to see how you respond 

 

• How did ISIS get created 
• What does ISIS want 
• Who is aligned with ISIS globally?

 

I'm sorry if these may seem hard so please only answer what you can or want to 

 

 

The answer to all 3 is the Illuminati, obviously.

 

Just kidding.  I use wikipedia of course. 

 

I wasnt trying to catch you out but I know these things can be complicated and debatable ...take this forum. I consider myself informed yet according to Zora I know nothing 

 

 

And thats normal because for me Zora knows a lot but his  predictions are always wrong because of his bias towards the West, now Drowsy has a long history with a certain type of Muslim, He knows a lot about Muslims but you will notice his opinion is also negative but for different reasons to Zora because of the history of Serbia 

 

End of the day no one can say with certainty what will be the outcome of the refugees in the EU because its unprecedented but we all agree ISIS needs to be destroyed in Syria and Iraq as these are home bases. I have always maintained ground troops will  be needed but you notice because the USA is correctly not taking the lead no one else is 

 

I really thought Russia would commit ground troops and actually gain some real respect but they pulled out and the justifications dont make sense

 

So ISIS cannot be defeated until ground troops from some country are committed and yes there will be casualties for the invading force 

[Zoraptor]

Food for thought?

 

 

While I agree with the sentiment... those sort of 'infographics' always leave me with a slight desire to grind my teeth.

 

There's dozens of extra examples that could be added some of which such as the Speicher massacre were massively above the scale of anything else listed, some of the chosen examples are distinctly questionable- for example in the Tunisia attack listed 30/38 killed were British and all killed were European so there was not (likely to be) any muslims killed, and it got extensive coverage in Britain especially- and as previous some of those chosen did get extensive coverage. Reads like an american watching Fox News/ USCNN, googling 'ISIS terrorism', going to wikipedia and then not reading any links just generating a list. Or perhaps from a Saudi PR group, which would certainly explain the lack of Speicher coverage since Saudis would say that wasn't against real muslims.

[213374U]

To invade and destroy the gulf countries wouldn't achieve the goal. They would be seen as just another victim of imperialism and it would encourage more terrorism. However cutting off Saudi tentacles abroad would go a long way: shutting down Wahhabi mosques, Islamic schools, expelling and imprisoning the worst members, banning local sharia patrols. That is what the EU can do and it can do so gradually and without pomp so as not to inspire resistance.

 

That said, the US holds all the keys in this. They can exert the most influence on the Saudis and the gulf states and wring their necks if necessary. But as long as policymakers in Washington see KSA as a regional ally its not going to happen and funds will be channeled to organizations that ultimately produce terrorists. The US sees itself capable of using jihadis across the world as useful idiots - to topple regimes and such because repercussions of their acts rarely come back to the United States (although September 11 was a spectacular example of that). But this policy is destabilizing the EU and the EU leaders, if there is such a thing, should make it clear that KSA's, Kuwaiti, Qatar's etc. activities need to cease and that it is in the best interest of the continued US-EU alliance that they do.

Good post.

 

Meanwhile in Yurop

[Drowsy Emperor]

And that is why we cannot have nice things.

 

If irony was a thing, it would be a 100 ton locomotive in this case.

Edited March 25, 2016 by Drowsy Emperor

[Meshugger]

And that is why we cannot have nice things.

 

If irony was a thing, it would be a 100 ton locomotive in this case.

 

We cannot have nice things because the whole political and military-industrial infrastructure is set up according to those relations. We have consultants, advisors, sub-contractors, and downright mercenaries working according to that infrastructure and there's billions invested in keeping it intact. 

 

Just look at it objectively speaking, the whole region has enough oil in order to have normal trade relations with the rest of the world, but somehow there's quite a lot picking between winners and losers.

Edited March 25, 2016 by Meshugger

[HoonDing]

Seems there was another Allahu Ackbar neutralized.

He quickly grabbed a random kid when the police confronted him but was shot in leg.

[Drowsy Emperor]

Surprisingly well stocked on explosives. There was one vest at the airport that wasn't used, at least 2 bombs that went off and now this. I wonder how they got so many components and how the bombs were made.

[Rostere]

Surprisingly well stocked on explosives. There was one vest at the airport that wasn't used, at least 2 bombs that went off and now this. I wonder how they got so many components and how the bombs were made.

 

You would be surprised how easy it is to make decent explosives. Although it might not be easy to procure all components if you seem suspicious.

[Drowsy Emperor]

TATP and the other explosive forms of acetone peroxide belong to the few high explosives that do not contain nitrogen,[22] and so can pass undetected through scanners designed to detect nitrogenous explosives.[23] Because of its high susceptibility to accidental detonation (and resulting "workplace accidents" in bomb-making shops), TATP has been referred to as the "Mother of Satan."[22] It is used by terrorists for its ability to evade detection aimed at nitrogenous explosives, and due to its low cost and the ease with which its precursors can be obtained.[22] It has been described in popular media as easily prepared from readily available retail ingredients, such as hair bleach and nail polish remover.[24]

As such, TATP has been used in bomb and suicide attacks and in improvised explosive devices, including in Israel,[citation needed] and in the London bombings on 7 July 2005, where four suicide bombers killed 52 people and injured more than 700.[25][26] It was one of the explosives used by the "shoe bomber" Richard Reid[26] and was used by the suicide bombers in the November 2015 Paris attacks[24] and 2016 Brussels bombings.[27]

 

 

Found it

[Meshugger]

 

Surprisingly well stocked on explosives. There was one vest at the airport that wasn't used, at least 2 bombs that went off and now this. I wonder how they got so many components and how the bombs were made.

 

You would be surprised how easy it is to make decent explosives. Although it might not be easy to procure all components if you seem suspicious.

 

 

You can find on youtube *for educational purposes only* how-to-guides on building your own explosives more volatile than nitroglycerine from regular kitchen appliances.

 

//Edit: Drowsy was faster, that's the one i meant.

Edited March 25, 2016 by Meshugger

[Malcador]

And they say shooting in legs never works.

[HoonDing]

Glad McGyver was on our side... he would've been the deadliest terrorist in human history.

 

[Valsuelm]

You would be surprised how easy it is to make decent explosives. Although it might not be easy to procure all components if you seem suspicious.

 

Very easy, in the U.S. anyways.

 

This is the interwebs, and a super touchy subject, so I shant say more than I know some current and former military folks who have some toys, and that it's not an uncommon thing.

 

While I didn't make this video, nor know the people who did, here's an example of some folks playing with such toys:

 

 

Note: there are many different types of toys out there. Understanding chemistry is an interesting, often beautiful, yet sometimes ugly thing [and something that the anti-gun, and 'gotta keep everyone from having access to X' crowds, almost laughably lack an understanding of (where there's a will and even half a brain, there's almost always a way)].

 

Random aside: I used to own a '98 Jetta so I personally find this video amusing particular amusing. There are other similar videos out there.

Edited March 26, 2016 by Valsuelm

[Drowsy Emperor]

Guardian:

 

 

SAS forces have been deployed in Libya since the beginning of the year, according to a confidential briefing given to US congressional leaders by the king of Jordan.

A leaked memo indicates the US lawmakers were personally briefed by King Abdullah in January about plans for Jordan’s special forces to operate in the country alongside the British.

 

 

The memo indicates that Abdullah also told US lawmakers:

• The Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, “believes in a radical Islamic solution to the problems in the region” and the “fact that terrorists are going to Europe is part of Turkish policy, and Turkey keeps getting a slap on the hand, but they get off the hook”.

 

Edited March 26, 2016 by Drowsy Emperor

[Meshugger]

The animosity between Jordan and Turkey goes all the way back to Abdullah's father and the creation of Israel. That being said, i still hold the Jordanese words to more merit that the Turkish ones.

 

And oh, a security guard at Belgian nuclear plant was murdered and his badge was stolen. 

 

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hln.be%2Fhln%2Fnl%2F32616%2FTerreurdreiging-in-Belgie%2Farticle%2Fdetail%2F2658105%2F2016%2F03%2F26%2FNucleaire-bewaker-vermoord-en-badge-gestolen.dhtml

[teknoman2]

you know i was thinking... they say that the real target was a nuclear plant but they could not do it and chose the airport instead. i think this is damage control by the Belgian police trying to save face by saying "they wanted to do something big but we scared them off and they did something small". the truth is that the Belgian police probably had no idea (they could have stopped them otherwise)

[Gorgon]

Scary truth  is stopping something like this means you got lucky. 

[HoonDing]

Just admit defeat already, Yurop.

 

Move to Pitcairn while you can.

[Drowsy Emperor]

The animosity between Jordan and Turkey goes all the way back to Abdullah's father and the creation of Israel. That being said, i still hold the Jordanese words to more merit that the Turkish ones.

 

And oh, a security guard at Belgian nuclear plant was murdered and his badge was stolen. 

 

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hln.be%2Fhln%2Fnl%2F32616%2FTerreurdreiging-in-Belgie%2Farticle%2Fdetail%2F2658105%2F2016%2F03%2F26%2FNucleaire-bewaker-vermoord-en-badge-gestolen.dhtml

 

If correct, it just reinforces my argument that the deal with Turkey was tantamount to admitting defeat. It turns out that Erdogan is not only controlling the flow of people but also shuffling terrorists around (arresting them when he feels like it, letting them go when he doesn't) while 28 countries in EU run around like headless chickens. Unless the EU political elite is finding all this insecurity useful to deflect public attention. 

[Meshugger]

In response to the attacks in Brussels, the "March against fear" has been cancelled due to security concerns. 

 

http://archive.is/pFxdV

http://archive.is/xgTm8

 

Pretty much says it all about the current situation.

[Zoraptor]

The French situation says it more eloquently- why not just make demonstrations illegal, open endedly? At least the Brussels situation was a request based on ongoing police operations requiring available manpower.