Attacks in Paris

[BruceVC]

 

Qistina I enjoy these debates with you but we need to be honest with each other about anything we don't understand 

 

 

I am an atheist so even though I   respect  all religions I don't believe in any religious scriptures

 

So when you make a post that is about religion as a reason for something you believe it doesn't mean anything to me. I don't mean to offend you and suggest what you should post but if you want  me to logically understand your point please use something outside of religion or I just wont get it

 

 

It doesn't matter if you believe or not, but talk about this issue, you can't escape it. If you refuse to consider what i am talking about, you will be blind on what happening.

 

For example, why ISIS/Al qaeda and Muslim Terrorist using Blak Flag, do you know? I already explained why they are using Black Flag.

 

Up to you to understand or just being an atheist jerk.

 

Oh i forgot that i already mention in earlier posts that atheists are deuchbags...

 

Don't worry I took no offense to what you said about atheists

 

Of course I can understand when you explain a religious reason for something like the black flag but if you trying to explain why ISIS exists and what motivates them and you tell me its because of some prophecy then I wouldn't get it 

 

 

I definitely don't believe this ..its a scurrilous example of anti-Western propaganda

I took a Women's History course at uni and when the topic of foot-binding was brought up the majority agreed its a practice we have no business critiquing or judging as Westerners.

 

Thankfully the lecturer took the stance of "you're all ****ing stupid, foot-binding is barbaric".

 

Yeah, I have no issue criticizing  an unnecessary, abusive  and archaic practice like foot-binding

 

 I am surprised it still happens  

[Barothmuk]

Yeah, I have no issue criticizing  an unnecessary, abusive  and archaic practice like foot-binding

 

I am surprised it still happens

Foot-binding or people defending it?

 

If the former, I'm pretty sure it no longer happens.

[Qistina]

Don't worry I took no offense to what you said about atheists

 

Of course I can understand when you explain a religious reason for something like the black flag but if you trying to explain why ISIS exists and what motivates them and you tell me its because of some prophecy then I wouldn't get it 

 

 

I am saying that CIA mimic the end time prophecy in Al Qaeda/ISIS creation, that's why it is a FALSE FLAG....the reason is they want Muslims suporting them , "oh look! The Black Flag army!"

 

I know the real flag, it is a secret i won't mention here, it is not really a flag at all, if Jews have Ark of Covenant in which not an ark, Muslims have this "Flag of Covenant" that is not a flag....

Edited November 23, 2015 by Qistina

[BruceVC]

 

Yeah, I have no issue criticizing  an unnecessary, abusive  and archaic practice like foot-binding

 

I am surprised it still happens

Foot-binding or people defending it?

 

If the former, I'm pretty sure it no longer happens.

 

Okay good to know, I hadn't heard of it 

 

I don't mind people defending it...I can't see how you could reasonably make a point justifying it ? But I would listen ...I doubt it would change my mind at all and I'll make that clear  

 

 

Don't worry I took no offense to what you said about atheists

 

Of course I can understand when you explain a religious reason for something like the black flag but if you trying to explain why ISIS exists and what motivates them and you tell me its because of some prophecy then I wouldn't get it 

 

 

I am saying that CIA mimic the end time prophecy in Al Qaeda/ISIS creation, that's why it is a FALSE FLAG....the reason is they want Muslims suporting them , "oh look! The Black Flag army!"

 

Ah yes we should discuss the CIA.....do you believe they created ISIS, why would you think that ?

[Qistina]

Ah yes we should discuss the CIA.....do you believe they created ISIS, why would you think that ?

 

Again, it is not what i think, all the sources are from your own country, it is your people who said it.

[Qistina]

You don't believe your own countrymen?

 

Edited November 23, 2015 by Qistina

[BruceVC]

You don't believe your own countrymen?

 

 

Okay I watched both those videos .....the second one must be one of the WORST and inaccurate   assessments of the Syrian reality I have ever seen

 

 

Qistina please stop  watching videos from this website, you will get the wrong idea of the West and what motivates them....its very biased and displays a very narrow view of what the West does

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What has happened to Ron Paul? Was he always so anti-American and he seems to ramble and makes terrible assumptions

 

I disagreed with almost everything he said ...it was really bad 

 

So no I don't agree at all with either of those guys 

[Wrath of Dagon]

American foreign policy explained : http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2015/11/obama-wants-to-defeat-america-not-isis.html

[Qistina]

Okay I watched both those videos .....the second one must be one of the WORST and inaccurate   assessments of the Syrian reality I have ever seen

 

 

Qistina please stop  watching videos from this website, you will get the wrong idea of the West and what motivates them....its very biased and displays a very narrow view of what the West does

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What has happened to Ron Paul? Was he always so anti-American and he seems to ramble and makes terrible assumptions

 

I disagreed with almost everything he said ...it was really bad 

 

So no I don't agree at all with either of those guys 

 

 

If you don't believe your own countrymen, why would you want to believe whatever i say? Why would you want to believe what other country said?

 

Western people are always in denial...having a serious denial syndrome....

 

I have show you all the evidence from your own source, from Hilary Clinton statement to the latest video, but if you still don't want to believe, then what is the point to continue arguing?

Edited November 23, 2015 by Qistina

[Darkpriest]

Progressive "respect for other cultures" being practised by EU officials:

 

 

I'll quote forum's classic:

 

THIS IS EVIL!!!

[ManifestedISO]

 

what is the point to continue arguing?

 

 

You are right, there is no point, so ... make some tea, go outside, meet a nice man, a real one, fall in love, take a long walk, on a short pier. 

[Volourn]

Don't be a homophobe. Perhaps she wants to be a nice young woman.  Check your privledge.

 

As for the child bride article. Yup. EVIL. EVIL TO THE CORE.

 

Nazi SJWs strike again!

[Qistina]

 

 

what is the point to continue arguing?

 

 

You are right, there is no point, so ... make some tea, go outside, meet a nice man, a real one, fall in love, take a long walk, on a short pier. 

 

 

It's rainy season here, i'll be in my room, with hot coffee, infront of my computer, on my bed...who need men anyway?

[Volourn]

"who need men anyway?"

 

I could answer this in two ways both smart ass like...

 

 

1. I sure don't.

 

2. Did you know that you wouldn't have made that post without a man? HOW DO LIKE THEM APPLES?

[Deadly_Nightshade]

 

 

 

what is the point to continue arguing?

 

 

You are right, there is no point, so ... make some tea, go outside, meet a nice man, a real one, fall in love, take a long walk, on a short pier. 

 

 

It's rainy season here, i'll be in my room, with hot coffee, infront of my computer, on my bed...who need men anyway?

 

 

Or a woman if that's your preference.

[Meshugger]

So, anyone got any long term solution for this problem with homegrown terrorists? Compared to most in their host nations, they do not believe that their religion is just one of many and that it is equal to everyone to just switch one as they see fit. They are not afraid to die, while normal people in the host nations are so. The host nations have the concept of original sin instilled in their way of life, constantly awaiting forgiveness from any figure in authority, while the terrorists are instilled with the concept of dying in Jihad, which will give them a ticket straight to heaven, no matter what they have done before. For these values is quite a few ready to kill for, while a lot of others agree symphetatically as the base values are the same. These values are then bred to their children and the generation that follows them.

 

So, any solutions? Or are we going to see a civil war in our lifetimes in europe?

 

//EDIT: I sense a latent sexual masochism in Qistina's posts, which seems to bubble up now and then. But i guess we should let that slide for now...

Edited November 23, 2015 by Meshugger

[BruceVC]

So, anyone got any long term solution for this problem with homegrown terrorists? Compared to most in their host nations, they do not believe that their religion is just one of many and that it is equal to everyone to just switch one as they see fit. They are not afraid to die, while normal people in the host nations are so. The host nations have the concept of original sin instilled in their way of life, constantly awaiting forgiveness from any figure in authority, while the terrorists are instilled with the concept of dying in Jihad, which will give them a ticket straight to heaven, no matter what they have done before. For these values is quite a few ready to kill for, while a lot of others agree symphetatically as the base values are the same. These values are then bred to their children and the generation that follows them.

 

So, any solutions? Or are we going to see a civil war in our lifetimes in europe?

I do have several solutions and ideas, remember I have been studying the Middle East for years and I have worked extensively in the ME so I consider myself well informed 

 

Is that your concern, just to clear. Someone immigrating to Finland ....hating the West and then attacking Finland or indoctrinating his children? Please be honest so I can give you the best response  

[Meshugger]

 

So, anyone got any long term solution for this problem with homegrown terrorists? Compared to most in their host nations, they do not believe that their religion is just one of many and that it is equal to everyone to just switch one as they see fit. They are not afraid to die, while normal people in the host nations are so. The host nations have the concept of original sin instilled in their way of life, constantly awaiting forgiveness from any figure in authority, while the terrorists are instilled with the concept of dying in Jihad, which will give them a ticket straight to heaven, no matter what they have done before. For these values is quite a few ready to kill for, while a lot of others agree symphetatically as the base values are the same. These values are then bred to their children and the generation that follows them.

 

So, any solutions? Or are we going to see a civil war in our lifetimes in europe?

I do have several solutions and ideas, remember I have been studying the Middle East for years and I have worked extensively in the ME so I consider myself well informed 

 

Is that your concern, just to clear. Someone immigrating to Finland ....hating the West and then attacking Finland or indoctrinating his children? Please be honest so I can give you the best response  

 

 

Let me guess: more quotas, a more heterogenous society, more forced tolerance, more restriction on speech in real life and online, essentially undermining any trust or common bond that could keep a society together without a repressive government. Thus, making Europe more like the Middle East than Europe before in order to keep it together.

 

But I am all ears, please tell me what solutions that i might've missed.

[Qistina]

So, anyone got any long term solution for this problem with homegrown terrorists? Compared to most in their host nations, they do not believe that their religion is just one of many and that it is equal to everyone to just switch one as they see fit. They are not afraid to die, while normal people in the host nations are so. The host nations have the concept of original sin instilled in their way of life, constantly awaiting forgiveness from any figure in authority, while the terrorists are instilled with the concept of dying in Jihad, which will give them a ticket straight to heaven, no matter what they have done before. For these values is quite a few ready to kill for, while a lot of others agree symphetatically as the base values are the same. These values are then bred to their children and the generation that follows them.

 

So, any solutions? Or are we going to see a civil war in our lifetimes in europe?

 

Convert to Islam...problem solved...

 

Europeans need Europeans ulama', Islamic sholars, you don't have that, it is a problem. For now islamic scholars in your country are imported from outside, who know their allegience are, maybe they are terrorist supporter, or extremists, or heretics, who would know?

 

So you need Islamic scholars of your own, from your people, the ones who understand your culture, your politic, your values. You can sent Muslims of your country to my country and learn moderate islam as you may call it, when they come home to you, they will be islamic scholar in your place with moderate view of islam, not an extremist...as a bonus they are more understand Europeans.

 

They also can become mediator between you and other Muslims who come to your place, refugees for example

Edited November 23, 2015 by Qistina

[Meshugger]

 

So, anyone got any long term solution for this problem with homegrown terrorists? Compared to most in their host nations, they do not believe that their religion is just one of many and that it is equal to everyone to just switch one as they see fit. They are not afraid to die, while normal people in the host nations are so. The host nations have the concept of original sin instilled in their way of life, constantly awaiting forgiveness from any figure in authority, while the terrorists are instilled with the concept of dying in Jihad, which will give them a ticket straight to heaven, no matter what they have done before. For these values is quite a few ready to kill for, while a lot of others agree symphetatically as the base values are the same. These values are then bred to their children and the generation that follows them.

 

So, any solutions? Or are we going to see a civil war in our lifetimes in europe?

 

Convert to Islam...problem solved...

 

Europeans need Europeans ulama', Islamic sholars, you don't have that, it is a problem. For now islamic scholars in your country are imported from outside, who know their allegience are, maybe they are terrorist supporter, or extremists, or heretics, who would know?

 

So you need Islamic scholars of your own, from your people, the ones who understand your culture, your politic, your values. You can sent Muslims of your country to may country and lern moderate islam as you may call it, when they come home to you, they will be islamic scholar in your place with moderate view of islam, not an extremist...as a bonus they are more understand Europeans.

 

They also can become mediator between you and other Muslims who come to your place, refugees for example

 

 

So Europe should expand from its pagan/christian heritage and become islamic. How progressive of you.

[Qistina]

Your can sent your Muslims to here in my country...

 

 

Let your own people becomes imams and ulama's, let your own people conduct prayers and become the ones who Muslims of your country seek as guide. They are your people so they know your problem

[213374U]

You'r wrong. Much of WWII was a genuine ideological conflict, particularly on the Eastern front. Many young men threw themselves into the war, because they explicitly believed it a was a fight worth fighting, whatever their concrete reason was (for Hitler or against Nazism, protection of the "motherland" etc.). There was a lot of genuine zeal, even in the face of death. Even post WW1 german writers like Ernst Junger show no regrets for fighting even though he was personally wounded fourteen times and watched many of his friends and comrades die. He wrote Storm of Steel, and from what I read of it, he was proud of the fight to the end.  

 

And while we're on the subject of zeal, It is precisely this inability to concieve that ideas may be worth dying for or killing for, a result of Europe's war on religion, the nation state and any other form of belief modern man can attach value to (that great postmodern relativism) that impedes your (as in western) understanding of political Islam. 

 

Shuffling it all away as a socio-economic problem, some "extremists" being bonkers or whatever is a sort of willful stupidity and blindness that would be comical to watch from the sidelines if the results weren't so catastrophic. 

 

Islam is not going to accept the status of "one of many ineffectual religions we have in our society", like in the ridiculous American model. If you believe then it is the only religion, much as Christianity was in its own heyday, and it will fight for that status everyone else be damned. That's the nature of belief - only a closet atheist/secularist can profess to belong to a religion that explicitly considers itself the only valid one, while stating that "they're all equal" at the same time. That's illogical at best, schizophrenia at worst.

So you're taking Ernst Junger's example and assuming it was representative of everyone else, while dismissing the factual arguments I made and the rest of the contemporary examples of the consequences that resisting conscription had (i.e. deportation to a concentration camp and death by firing squad). Was it an ideological struggle? Perhaps, though the line separating ideology and outright propaganda is blurry at best. Was there a safe alternative to being forcefully sent to die in a battlefield? Not really.

 

"Ideas worth dying or killing for"? Such as? In what context? This is the sort of grandiloquent ideological hot air that is only good to engage people on an emotional level, to stop them from thinking critically and make them easier to manipulate for whatever goal the ideologue has in mind. Funny thing is, it's precisely the fact that these people believe in "ideas worth dying or killing for" that is a big part of the problem. Because it's your ideas that are worth killing and dying for, and not anyone else's, right? And killing others on ideological grounds has a great track record of solving problems permanently, yes sir.

 

How about we try discussing the issue with arguments beyond anecdote and how everyone but you is blind and stupid.

 

As an aside, if these ideas are worth dying and especially killing over, why aren't you, you know, killing and dying for them instead of strongly advocating that others go do it? Are they only sometimes worth that? Only worth that for someone else? How does that work exactly?

Edited November 23, 2015 by 213374U

[Meshugger]

Your can sent your Muslims to here in my country...

 

 

Let your own people becomes imams and ulama's, let your own people conduct prayers and become the ones who Muslims of your country seek as guide. They are your people so they know your problem

 

So the answer for removing islamic extremism is to convert and make Europe more islamic? lol

 

You are sowing the seeds of balkanisation and civil war without knowing it.

[Qistina]

 

So the answer for removing islamic extremism is to convert and make Europe more islamic? lol

 

You are sowing the seeds of balkanisation and civil war without knowing it.

 

 

What i mean is, you produce your own European Islamic scholars, that's the only way. Surely white Imam is more pleasing to look at for you than the angry looking bearded Middle Eastern, Pakistan, black imams in your country isn't it?

 

 

Unless you want to conduct holocoust on Muslims, this is the only way...

Edited November 23, 2015 by Qistina

[Deadly_Nightshade]

 

 

Convert to Islam...problem solved...

 

 

Yeah, no...

That's really not a solution.