Republican Presidential Debate

[BruceVC]

 

 

Nah Bruce. The world is changing. A lot and i mean A LOT of people see the more and more rigid PC and SJ rules, forced tolerance but only one way etc. as an ugly abomination that rose from fairly nice ideology. But then again even communism and national socialism were fairly decent ideologies which mutated into something horrible.

 

You need to draw a line between acquiringnequal right and opportunities vs. Fighting for more privilages because "reasons".

 

This is why ultra right wing parties win in CEE. This is why EU sees a rise in the same vein of politics, with France almost becoming another state under suuch influence. I see no reason why USA should walk a vastly different path.

So what would be your ideal political structure for something like the EU....lets say you could implement  any political system you wanted?

 

 

This is fairly difficult to present briefly, and i certainly do not have time to write an essay here.

 

I mean just a summary, for example should Poland leave the EU? Align with a different block of countries ?

[Darkpriest]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nah Bruce. The world is changing. A lot and i mean A LOT of people see the more and more rigid PC and SJ rules, forced tolerance but only one way etc. as an ugly abomination that rose from fairly nice ideology. But then again even communism and national socialism were fairly decent ideologies which mutated into something horrible.

 

You need to draw a line between acquiringnequal right and opportunities vs. Fighting for more privilages because "reasons".

 

This is why ultra right wing parties win in CEE. This is why EU sees a rise in the same vein of politics, with France almost becoming another state under suuch influence. I see no reason why USA should walk a vastly different path.

So what would be your ideal political structure for something like the EU....lets say you could implement any political system you wanted?

This is fairly difficult to present briefly, and i certainly do not have time to write an essay here.

I mean just a summary, for example should Poland leave the EU? Align with a different block of countries ?

In short. No it should not but the shape of the EU needs to change.

 

EU should remain what it was meant to be. Econmoy driving project that includes free movement of goods and people. We do not need an euro-kohloz that tells us how to live and what to think though.

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

Nah Bruce. The world is changing. A lot and i mean A LOT of people see the more and more rigid PC and SJ rules, forced tolerance but only one way etc. as an ugly abomination that rose from fairly nice ideology. But then again even communism and national socialism were fairly decent ideologies which mutated into something horrible.

 

You need to draw a line between acquiringnequal right and opportunities vs. Fighting for more privilages because "reasons".

 

This is why ultra right wing parties win in CEE. This is why EU sees a rise in the same vein of politics, with France almost becoming another state under suuch influence. I see no reason why USA should walk a vastly different path.

So what would be your ideal political structure for something like the EU....lets say you could implement any political system you wanted?

This is fairly difficult to present briefly, and i certainly do not have time to write an essay here.

I mean just a summary, for example should Poland leave the EU? Align with a different block of countries ?

In short. No it should not but the shape of the EU needs to change.

 

EU should remain what it was meant to be. Econmoy driving project that includes free movement of goods and people. We do not need an euro-kohloz that tells us how to live and what to think though.

 

Just to be clear, what do you mean by "euro-kohloz" ?

[Elerond]

 

 

 

 

 

Nah Bruce. The world is changing. A lot and i mean A LOT of people see the more and more rigid PC and SJ rules, forced tolerance but only one way etc. as an ugly abomination that rose from fairly nice ideology. But then again even communism and national socialism were fairly decent ideologies which mutated into something horrible.

 

You need to draw a line between acquiringnequal right and opportunities vs. Fighting for more privilages because "reasons".

 

This is why ultra right wing parties win in CEE. This is why EU sees a rise in the same vein of politics, with France almost becoming another state under suuch influence. I see no reason why USA should walk a vastly different path.

So what would be your ideal political structure for something like the EU....lets say you could implement any political system you wanted?

This is fairly difficult to present briefly, and i certainly do not have time to write an essay here.

I mean just a summary, for example should Poland leave the EU? Align with a different block of countries ?

In short. No it should not but the shape of the EU needs to change.

 

EU should remain what it was meant to be. Econmoy driving project that includes free movement of goods and people. We do not need an euro-kohloz that tells us how to live and what to think though.

 

Just to be clear, what do you mean by "euro-kohloz" ?

 

 

I would guess that they mean EU's institutes like Parliament, Commission and European Council, Council of the European Union and European Central Bank 

[Gfted1]

Trump: British politicians should be thanking me.

 

"The UK politicians should be thanking me instead of pandering to political correctness"

 

[Meshugger]

Trump: British politicians should be thanking me.

 

"The UK politicians should be thanking me instead of pandering to political correctness"

 

 

Well, the UK has some problems of its own. Like there are british muslims joining ISIS than there ones in the Army.

[BruceVC]

Trump: British politicians should be thanking me.

 

"The UK politicians should be thanking me instead of pandering to political correctness"

 

Yes it is funny, I agree  

 

But it also highlights the problem....the egregious hubris of Trump makes him think he is more important than the UK 

[Darkpriest]

We really do not need more than half of EU institutions. Some form of parliment and anti trust bodies. ECB as well but Euro should be for the states with similar economic str. and debt level. We do not need a whole lot of free loader who think they know better than others what should be done and how people should live. Strategic goals, helping out science and combined policy regarding food production. That's it.

 

The most recent immigrant crisis is also slap i the face of some of the new EU states which had to wait up to even 7 years after entering EU for their citizens to acquire full rights including work permits and social benefits. Now the same states that put so heavy restrictions demand that others would take not their burden. I mean...

 

But lets not derail this topic. If you want to discuss EU related things there are topics for that.

Edited December 10, 2015 by Darkpriest

[BruceVC]

We really do not need more than half of EU institutions. Some form of parliment and anti trust bodies. ECB as well but Euro should be for the states with similar economic str. and debt level. We do not need a whole lot of free loader who think they know better than others what should be done and how people should live. Strategic goals, helping out science and combined policy regarding food production. That's it.

 

The most recent immigrant crisis is also slap i the face of some of the new EU states which had to wait up to even 7 years after entering EU for their citizens to acquire full rights including work permits and social benefits. Now the same states that put so heavy restrictions demand that others would take not their burden. I mean...

 

But lets not derail this topic. If you want to discuss EU related things there are topics for that.

Okay but you have to  realize that for the EU to function all the institutions Elerond mentioned like the  Parliament, Commission and European Council, Council of the European Union and European Central Bank are needed and mandatory. I realize some of you guys who live in Europe see some of these as intrusive but they are  a necessary evil 

[BruceVC]

http://time.com/4144162/trump-postpones-israel-trip/?xid=homepage

 

Okay you know if the Israelis don't support this type of sentiment then its really a bad idea 

[Malcador]

 

Clinton replied, "I do not know enough details to tell you how we would do it or how it would work, but certainly the Australian example is worth looking at." The reason, she said, is that "by offering to buy back those guns, they were able to curtail the supply and to set a different standard for gun purchases in the future."

 

Does not know enough details to tell how it would work, but it's worth looking at. Seems she should be a bit more informed

[BruceVC]

 

 

Clinton replied, "I do not know enough details to tell you how we would do it or how it would work, but certainly the Australian example is worth looking at." The reason, she said, is that "by offering to buy back those guns, they were able to curtail the supply and to set a different standard for gun purchases in the future."

 

Does not know enough details to tell how it would work, but it's worth looking at. Seems she should be a bit more informed

 

You know why she won't commit to a strategy now....if she does she will face the full onslaught of powerful and vociferous groups like the NRA who will really attack her on any idea and it will become a distraction 

[Guard Dog]

 

 

 

Clinton replied, "I do not know enough details to tell you how we would do it or how it would work, but certainly the Australian example is worth looking at." The reason, she said, is that "by offering to buy back those guns, they were able to curtail the supply and to set a different standard for gun purchases in the future."

 

Does not know enough details to tell how it would work, but it's worth looking at. Seems she should be a bit more informed

 

You know why she won't commit to a strategy now....if she does she will face the full onslaught of powerful and vociferous groups like the NRA who will really attack her on any idea and it will become a distraction 

 

The NRA is going to attack her no matter what. As Enoch pointed out this is just a ploy during the nomination process. Once she is nominated we'll hear no more of this. I gave you my honest opinion of Hillary's candidacy on the previous page.

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

Clinton replied, "I do not know enough details to tell you how we would do it or how it would work, but certainly the Australian example is worth looking at." The reason, she said, is that "by offering to buy back those guns, they were able to curtail the supply and to set a different standard for gun purchases in the future."

 

Does not know enough details to tell how it would work, but it's worth looking at. Seems she should be a bit more informed

 

You know why she won't commit to a strategy now....if she does she will face the full onslaught of powerful and vociferous groups like the NRA who will really attack her on any idea and it will become a distraction 

 

The NRA is going to attack her no matter what. As Enoch pointed out this is just a ploy during the nomination process. Once she is nominated we'll hear no more of this. I gave you my honest opinion of Hillary's candidacy on the previous page.

 

Yes I meant to say that was a very good post, you are very articulate and even if I dont agree with your views I always like to see what you think

 

You one of those people who when you make a  post its not just your opinion but its also well written and funny at times 

 

 " ham sandwich" :lol" 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

Trump: British politicians should be thanking me.

 

"The UK politicians should be thanking me instead of pandering to political correctness"

 

 

 

Well, the UK has some problems of its own. Like there are british muslims joining ISIS than there ones in the Army.

They should start a petition to ask them to stop.

[Elerond]

Bald eagle named Uncle Sam don't like Trump. How should one interpret this, is it as accurate prediction as Paul the Octopus predictions for World Cup? 

 

EDIT: After thinking it bit more, maybe this post should be in funny things thread. So if some moderator would be so nice and move this post to there, I would greatly appreciate it. 

Edited December 10, 2015 by Elerond

[Gfted1]

Attacks on Trump just make these voters like him more.

 

Yes....the plan is coming together nicely...

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

 

As for Trump: the left better take notes. 

 

I'd rather move away from personality cults tbh.

 

 

The point is what is and not what should be.

 

 

That's a weird thing to say right after you frame it as "the left better take notes".

[Meshugger]

 

 

 

As for Trump: the left better take notes. 

 

I'd rather move away from personality cults tbh.

 

 

The point is what is and not what should be.

 

 

That's a weird thing to say right after you frame it as "the left better take notes".

 

 

Not at all. The left needs to understand what is in order to reach out with their message better.  

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

Not at all. The left needs to understand what is in order to reach out with their message better.  

 

 

Way I see it, what is is that personality cults are popular with people who feel powerless (which, given the realities of the current economical climate, I'd wager is a sizeable portion of the population). But that hardly means personality cults are right, or generally a positive thing to have.

[Enoch]

Attacks on Trump just make these voters like him more.

 

Yes....the plan is coming together nicely...

 

Yes, 1/3rd of GOP-leaning eligible voters can't be convinced that Trump is a clownshow.  But as the evidence mounts, the other 2/3rds of them-- plus nearly all centrist and left-leaning eligible voters-- get more convinced of the opposite.  Here's the buried lede for that article:

 

 

 

All that really mattered was that the Republican establishment had failed, badly, and that Trump was offering a way out. Asked whom they would back in a three-way election with Rubio, Hillary Clinton and an independent Trump on the ballot, just 10 said they would support the Republican nominee. When Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) was swapped into the question, a bare majority — 15 — said they would stick with the party.

 

“The Republican establishment just had a heart attack,” Luntz said.

 

That said, if the "establishment lane" support remains fractured between 4 or 5 names, that 1/3rd would be enough to get the nomination.  After that, well, anything can happen.

[Guard Dog]

 

 

That said, if the "establishment lane" support remains fractured between 4 or 5 names, that 1/3rd would be enough to get the nomination.  After that, well, anything can happen.

 

Yep. Anything but probably not something good.

Edited December 11, 2015 by Guard Dog

[Wrath of Dagon]

A billionaire tycoon is what I imagine when I think of someone "in touch with the people".

Yes, let's elect a janitor for president. Or better yet, a community organizer. Yeah, that's the ticket!

 

 

Just to be clear, what do you mean by "euro-kohloz" ?

He meant to say "euro-kolhoz" second word being a Soviet collective farm.

 

 

http://time.com/4144162/trump-postpones-israel-trip/?xid=homepage

 

Okay you know if the Israelis don't support this type of sentiment then its really a bad idea 

Unlike Trump, Netanyahu has to be very careful about who he pisses off, has nothing to do with what he actually thinks.

 

 

That said, if the "establishment lane" support remains fractured between 4 or 5 names, that 1/3rd would be enough to get the nomination.  After that, well, anything can happen.

That is why the Republican establishment is plotting a brokered convention even as we speak, to deny Trump the nomination. But the support isn't split between establishment candidates, Trump and Cruz together are at 50%, add Carson and it's over 60%.

[Meshugger]

 

 

Not at all. The left needs to understand what is in order to reach out with their message better.  

 

 

Way I see it, what is is that personality cults are popular with people who feel powerless (which, given the realities of the current economical climate, I'd wager is a sizeable portion of the population). But that hardly means personality cults are right, or generally a positive thing to have.

 

 

What is right, morally speaking or positive, is not my point. Of course Caesarism is bad thing as it is a manifestation of a collapsing society (the reasons deserve a thread of their own).

[Raithe]

Well the petition to ban Trump from the UK has become the most popular with nearly 500,000 people having signed it..  Technically it just needed 100,000 to be considered for Parliamentary debate..

 

UK Petition to ban Donald Trump breaks record

Edited December 11, 2015 by Raithe