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Talk about your "self defense tools" designed to kill other things here. :p

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That's interesting, Japanese weapons ... you mean firearms? What sort of weapons ... I'd rather not search online, because internet, but if you know of any interesting examples ... 

 

Off the top of my head: all the high quality Browning (US) shotguns sold for a couple of grands are actually made in Japan by a company called Miroku. Also there is HOWA which is a Japanese company making many firearms, for the civilian market they produce bolt action rifles for Europe and the US which are famous for their quality and affordable price.

There is also the rumor that the action of a certain rifle from Winchester is identical with the HOWA action, according to rumors thats because Winchester buys the actions from HOWA. I do not have enough information and/or proof to either deny or confirm that, but its entirely possible though as stuff like that happens all the time. 

 

And speaking of selling under different names, Remington is selling shotguns originally made in Russia by Baikal and also rifles which were designed and manufactured in Serbia by Zastava. (The mini-mauser series for example).

 

And if we go down to parts it gets really interesting, for example Steyr Mannlicher in Austria has outsourced the barrel manufacturing to Romania a couple of years ago, and  Accuracy International Australia (AIA), all the parts for their rifles are manufactured in Vietnam and shipped to Australia for assembly.  I owned a rifle from AIA and the quality was questionable where it counted the most.  

 

And those are just a few examples. 

 

 

 

 

 

Made some nice fireballs at the shooting range with a friends rifle, a 98 with a barrel shortened down to 16.5'' in 8x57mm. :devil:

That thing was so loud I had to use both earmuffs and plugs to protect my ears. You cold feel the bass in your stomach, it was far louder than any other rifle on the range.

 

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I thought this was interesting. Toting guns is now legal in Texas

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-06/wal-mart-workers-on-pistol-patrol-as-law-lets-texans-tote-guns

 

People can get pretty worked up in a retail environment and can understand if employees preferred it if the customer wasn't armed.

 

Customer: "Can you do this any cheaper".
Employee: "No"
Customer: *puts hand on gun* "Are you sure?".

 

Black Friday sales with open carry. Have the SWAT team on standby. :p

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Not my normal wheelhouse, but...

 

 

 

 

You shouldn't just grab somebody's weapon out of their hands.. Especially if they can lick it to tell what kind of condition its in
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Hows that for a shotgun round. Opens up upon impact and pokes a 5 centimeter wide hole into your body. 

And yes, its hull is not plastic but brass! 

For the record,  a normal shotgun slug has a 1 shot stop percentage of 98%, and those do not expand half as much.  

 

That thing is so overkill, if you get killed by one of those it will kill you a second time in your next life. 

 

 

 

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Spent over an hour today trying to explain to my non gun owning Facebook friends the difference between automatic and semi-auto and the availability of such after seeing some wild accusations thrown about. It did not go well

 

I stuck to the very basic facts but nothing sways "I just know"

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Spent over an hour today trying to explain to my non gun owning Facebook friends the difference between automatic and semi-auto and the availability of such after seeing some wild accusations thrown about. It did not go well

 

I stuck to the very basic facts but nothing sways "I just know"

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I was trying to correct some misinformation a couple of friends were spreading but no matter what I said and no matter how many links I provided they just knew better

 

Real simple stuff too like AR not meaning assault rifle and that semi-auto isn't the same as full auto and explaining the difference. Apparently I was also attacking them for corrections like this  :shrugz:

 

The kicker is that I'm not even against increased gun control but I do think people should make informed opinions

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I was trying to correct some misinformation a couple of friends were spreading but no matter what I said and no matter how many links I provided they just knew better

 

perhaps the most amusing aspect o' the video is that obviously the guy posting it didn't understand don's error.

 

there is something sinister looking 'bout the ar-15 that makes many uneducated folks balk.  the ruger below has near identical muzzle velocity and calibre as the ar-15.  heck, without the pistol-grip, folding stock and flash suppressor options, the ruger ain't even subject to the previous assault weapons ban. go figure.

 

 

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*shrug*

 

am always baffled when folks looks at a M1911 and somehow don't consider that such a weapon is just as much a semi-automatic weapon as the ar-15... and the M1911 has been responsible for far more us firearm homicides than the ar-15. 

 

perhaps link the following for folks:

 

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2009-2013.xls

 

dunno.  won't help explain auto v. semi-auto, but perhaps can get folks to ease up on the semi-auto rifle fixations people gets after an orlando or san bernardino.

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

ps as an aside, US firearm suicides is almost 4 times greater than homicides, and suicide is, strangely enough, an act of convenience. suicide rates dropped dramatically in the 1930s. why?  wasn't the great economy, that is for darn sure. nope, gas companies stopped using coal gas. ever see those old movies with guys killing self by putting their head in an unlit oven? weren't feasible once gas companies changed to natural gas in the 1930s and 1940s.  no coal gas and US suicides drop by 30%.  more recent, there has been a similar Spike in suicides.  the spike in suicides corresponds directly with increase o' suicides by poisoning-- opioids.  with the dramatic increase in opioid prescriptions by doctors in the last couple decades, there has been a corresponding increase in suicides.

 

given even a short time to reflect, many folks change their minds regarding suicide.  the easy access to firearms and opioids, more than the seeming more reasonable mental health or economic explanations, is the prime causes o' the startling US suicide figures. weird.

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additional suggestion: show ruger mini 14 in our post above, and then offer the following pic

 

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explain that both is actual semi-automatic.  in fact, is the same rifle.  

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

ps (edit) found a more intriguing pic... given the side-by-side comparison

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"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)

"Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)

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Semi auto is just using the gass from the explosion to chamber the next round. It's not far from that to full auto obviously. For something to not be semi auto it would have to be lever action or pump, bolt action. Point being it doesn't matter that much at all. One is more effective at shooting quickly but is that somehow 'more dangerous'. I suppose if you are trying to stop ze Germans from storming your trench. In a mass shooting ?. 

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For amusing comments on guns, read NPR comment sections.

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IMO full auto is a bad idea in a hand held weapon. It is effective with a heavy weapon that is bipod, tripod, or vehicle stabilized. But hand held it is wasteful and inaccurate. I don't know about the M4 which is the standard infantry weapon in use in the US today. When I was in it was the M-16A2 and it did not use full auto. You could change it between semi-auto and 3 round burst.

 

I suspect my brothers here on this board who have served in the US military will agree firing the M249 SAW from the offhand and trying to hit something specific is VERY hard to do.

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additional suggestion: show ruger mini 14 in our post above, and then offer the following pic

 

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explain that both is actual semi-automatic. in fact, is the same rifle.

 

HA! Good Fun!

Well this one is black ☺

 

black, and as it turns out, 7.62.  damnable internet.  can find mini 14s with the exact same kit as the pictured 30, but in the interest o' full disclosure that weapon would be more akin to an ak-47 than a ar-15... albeit still semi-automatic.

 

HA! Good Fun! 

"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)

"Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)

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I wish I would have gotten to shoot a bunch of cool weaponry but the Navy doesnt have that need. I remember in bootcamp, during "pistol qualification", we fired a .45 caliber semi (that was chambered down to .22 iirc). There wasnt even a paper target to aim at. "Passing" consisted of being able to point the weapon downrange, fire, and hit the back wall. :lol:

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Well Navy has the Marines do the man to man fighting :p

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Been a long time since the Navy had to repel boarders!

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Been a long time since the Navy had to repel boarders!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnIoktZKZ6A

 

steven seagal to the rescue in 1992.

 

HA! Good Fun!

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"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927)

"Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)

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