Blarghagh Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 Continued from here: http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/80106-journalism-and-bias-in-the-gaming-industry/page-27 Same ol' stock description starting every thread here: For the uninitiated: The 'Gamergate' controversy was sparked in early 2013, as the release of Zoe Quinn's "Depression Quest" was criticized from gamers who believed that the game had received a suspicious amount of attention in relation to it's quality and scope. Eron Gjoni (Zoe's ex boyfriend) wrote a blogpost accusing Quinn of having had an affair with Kotaku journalist Grayson, prompting the critics to conclude that the attention and success of "Depression Quest" was due in part to unfair bias and nepotism in the industry. Several articles from both sides of the issue has highlighted inconsistencies in the stories of both Grayson, Quinn and Eron as well as the many other examples that have followed. Gamergate is wideley seen in the public, as a culture war over the diversification of gaming, artistic recognition and social criticism of video games and the gamer social identity. For the posters in this thread: Many bloggers and populists have tried to steer the discussion into areas they feel are the underlying issue - ranging from simple bias, to widespread misogny or misandry. I would however prefer that we keep this discussion as objective and clean as possible and so I will be keeping an a extra close eye on this thread. This certainly does not mean that you may not discuss any issue you feel, but rather that you should be thoughtful of how you discuss it with those you disagree with. Especially in regards to these three guidelines: Discrimination: Obsidian has a zero-tolerance policy with regard to racial, ethnic, gender, religious, disablement, and/or sexually discriminating remarks.Harassment: We ask that the users of this board treat one another with respect, even when opinions differ. Personal attacks that are intended to cause unwanted attention, embarrassment, or harm will not be tolerated. In addition, Obsidian does not tolerate disrespectful and/or slanderous posts about its competitors, developers and publishers. Such posts will be subject to editing or deleting, with its posters censured or banned. Objectionable Content: The use of abusive, vulgar or profane language, even if hidden through the use of symbols or other characters is not tolerated. Intentionally posting workarounds to our language filters are prohibited. Posts may be edited or deleted at any time by the moderation team, and depending on the severity and frequency of said posts, the poster may be censured or banned. Any posts in violation of the Forum Guidelines will either be removed or modified and authors of such posts will receive warnings and/or have their content placed under moderated review. AS BEFORE, PLEASE CHECK YOUR IMAGES FOR PROFANITY. IF THE IMAGE CONTAINS UNCENSORED PROFANITY THAT THE BOARD WOULD NORMALLY CENSOR, WE WILL REMOVE YOUR ENTIRE POST. 1
Orogun01 Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 Can't you guys just remove the image? I agree with keeping the forums clean but it seems like a punitive measure rather than a preventive one. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you.
Blarghagh Posted June 28, 2015 Author Posted June 28, 2015 That's what we usually do, but just removing the image didn't seem to stop anyone from posting it anyway, so that wasn't much of a preventive measure. And at the heght of the controversy, having to check every screencapped wordy article, reddit thread or twitter war for profanity was a massive timesink and too easy for them to slip through. 2
Meshugger Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 That fake japanese accent Arigato gozaimazu, Nippon-chan! "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Malcador Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 So Gamergate ran Moosa off Twitter, heh. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Meshugger Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Nobody can be chased out of Twitter. He simply ragequit when people called him out. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Keyrock Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) Who's Moosa? I'm quite ignorant when it comes to social media personalities, on account of the fact that I have zero presence in the social media world. Edited June 29, 2015 by Keyrock RFK Jr 2024 "Any organization created out of fear must create fear to survive." - Bill Hicks
Meshugger Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Reviewer at Polygon. Thinks that Witcher needs more black people and very confused about Slavic folklore. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
BruceVC Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Nobody can be chased out of Twitter. He simply ragequit when people called him out. You don't seem concerned that GG has effectively stifled debate and a dissenting voice in the great GG narrative? What happened to the belief in free speech....I suppose its more selective and shouldn't be protected all the time ? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Meshugger Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 That has to be the most disingenuous BS that i've ever heard from you. No one forced him to shut up but himself. You cannot help someone that refuses to speak. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Malcador Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Who's Moosa? I'm quite ignorant when it comes to social media personalities, on account of the fact that I have zero presence in the social media world. One of these freelance guys that writes at Polygon, sometimes Guardian. Not so much a Twitter personality, I think, but he comes close. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
BruceVC Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 That has to be the most disingenuous BS that i've ever heard from you. No one forced him to shut up but himself. You cannot help someone that refuses to speak. Nah, I'm sure I've said more disingenuous things in the past...I must have ? Please don't get mad with me, you are the one who has to live in this new Internet where people get bullied into silence by people more belligerent and vociferous than them "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Orogun01 Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 That has to be the most disingenuous BS that i've ever heard from you. No one forced him to shut up but himself. You cannot help someone that refuses to speak. Nah, I'm sure I've said more disingenuous things in the past...I must have ? Please don't get mad with me, you are the one who has to live in this new Internet where people get bullied into silence by people more belligerent and vociferous than them That's politics and the world in general and that's how we got to this point already, by letting noisy crusaders make others believe that they were a chorus. When both sides are mirroring each other it feels kind of pointless to just say that one is the guilty party. 1 I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you.
BruceVC Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) That has to be the most disingenuous BS that i've ever heard from you. No one forced him to shut up but himself. You cannot help someone that refuses to speak. Nah, I'm sure I've said more disingenuous things in the past...I must have ? Please don't get mad with me, you are the one who has to live in this new Internet where people get bullied into silence by people more belligerent and vociferous than them That's politics and the world in general and that's how we got to this point already, by letting noisy crusaders make others believe that they were a chorus. When both sides are mirroring each other it feels kind of pointless to just say that one is the guilty party. I agree but lets not deny this situation with Moosa is not something we should condemn? Edited June 29, 2015 by BruceVC "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Barothmuk Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Reviewer at Polygon. Thinks that Witcher needs more black people and very confused about Slavic folklore.*Keeping in mind I have not read the review, not played the Witcher 3 and know little of the actual controversy. Obviously I’d support the inclusion of greater ethnic diversity in the Witcher-verse as for one, they exist in the setting, and two it’d combat that tired old meme that Europe has only ever had white people until the modern era. That said it does annoy me when people (usually Americans) apply their cultural experiences to places they know jack**** about and reduce complex issues of race to simply “whites > non-whites”. Historically East-Europeans have been invaded, occupied, conquered and all around ****ed over by every surrounding power and to this day face continued systematic racism (e.g. opinions of east-European immigrants in Britain) and international subordination. To simply lump a piece of art that was created by and reflects the history and culture of an often neglected people into the simplistic category of “white” and assert that the historical circumstances of East Europeans is no different to those of white anglo-saxon Americans only shows your ignorant and American-centric worldview (FFS one section of the Witcher’s lore is analogous to the horrors of WWII on the Eastern front – an entirely ignored and downplayed tragedy in modern history). And since I’m on the topic: That huge purple area has not always been European. It was brutally conquered and colonized by the Russians in the 1500’s-1600’s. Dumb liberal Americans really need to stop speaking about **** they know little about. 3
Bartimaeus Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) Alexander the Great would like to have a word with you. (edit): Never mind: I guess this is supposed to literally refer to the modern day countries, not the region/land itself. Turkey being blue also makes zero sense. Carry on! Edited June 29, 2015 by Bartimaeus Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
Hurlshort Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Hey, let's give the Golden Horde some credit, they controlled a pretty big chunk of land too. 2
Meshugger Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Pfeh, the current paradigm is that white people are the reason of everything wrong. Forget about the Mongols, Huns, Moors, Persians, Ottomans, Assyrians, Babylonians, Sumerians and so on. Besides it would be racist in some way. Topical: https://twitter.com/leighalexander/status/615150172847349760 (lol) "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Orogun01 Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I agree but lets not deny this situation with Moosa is not something we should condemn? If you work in customer service dealing with angry customers comes with the job, its not just helping people but putting up with their ****. If you're a journalist, reviewer on the internet then you have to deal with people making angry comments. It comes with the job, what I don't get is this fascist liberal notion that people should be good. Yet despite that they believe in freedom of choice, just not every choice apparently. There is a very ivory tower disconnect with every that demands that people; other people, change rather than learning oneself to deal with bad people. 1 I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you.
GhoulishVisage Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I don't quite understand what happened with Tauriq Moosa.He seemed to namesearch himself and then take exception to people making fun of his statements, then he said he'd had enough and left twitter. He wasn't even tagged into the conversations. When in doubt, blame the elves. I have always hated the word "censorship", I prefer seeing it as just removing content that isn't suitable or is considered offensive
Meshugger Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I think that he is a narcissist with a depression is bringing the fun to everyone. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Malcador Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I think that he is a narcissist with a depression is bringing the fun to everyone. Careful, he might register here... 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Oerwinde Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Should we call him He Who Shall Not Be Named? Seems mentioning his name summons him. The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity.
aluminiumtrioxid Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) what I don't get is this fascist liberal notion that people should be good. ...It's not like society doesn't have a complex set of incentives and punishments aimed at enforcing exactly this "fascist liberal notion" (dafuq). Moreover, what I don't get is the notion that somehow the freedom to be not-good is more important than the harm caused by people being not-good. Edited June 29, 2015 by aluminiumtrioxid "Lulz is not the highest aspiration of art and mankind, no matter what the Encyclopedia Dramatica says."
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