PK htiw klaw eriF Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 I like the new poem as a backhand to offendatrons. That said, the original submission should've stayed. Oh it makes clearly fun of that person for sure. But this is not about this. It is about censorship and the principle why you as artist should never give into these crazy people. Well yeah. Much as I don't like a lot of Japanese games, their devs know how to handle this kind of stuff. 3 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
Waswat Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) If they're gonna censor this joke, then why is this child abuse still a thing? Edited April 4, 2015 by Waswat 3
Luj1 Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) THREAD CAREFULLY OBSIDIAN REMEMBER HOW DOTA 2 RATING GOT DESTROYED ON METACRITIC FOR LACKING A HALLOWEEN PATCH (from rating 9 to rating 2. Edited April 4, 2015 by Luj1 1 "There once was a loon that twitter Before he went down the ****ter In its demise he wasn't missed Because there were bugs to be fixed." ~ Kaine
Moirnelithe Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 Obsidian is one of the few companies left still willing to make old school RPGs, both 'SJW' and anti-SJW sides are now detracting from this goal. I hope you all realize what you're doing. EA is probably laughing their asses off. Good job. 2
Volourn Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) There is so many nasty non PC stuff in the game. Don't forget the rape, referring to women as 'fire whores', husband murder, etc., etc. TONS. But, this limerick cause them to cry. IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. "Obsidian is one of the few companies left still willing to make old school RPGs, both 'SJW' and anti-SJW sides are now detracting from this goal. I hope you all realize what you're doing. EA is probably laughing their asses off. Good job." If Obsidian believed in old skool RPGs they wouldn't be bowing to pressure to those who loathe old skool RPGs to change their game. RIGHT!?! That's what BIO does. Is Obsidian the NEW BIO? I think so. Edited April 4, 2015 by Volourn 3 DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
Longknife Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 Also Sawyer's cat is ****ing fat wtf?? What's he feeding that thing? 1 "The Courier was the worst of all of them. The worst by far. When he died the first time, he must have met the devil, and then killed him." Is your mom hot? It may explain why guys were following her ?
MistarDurk Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) No publisher needed, if give us your cash Developer freedom, tradition we'll smash So worry for not, we would not betray Short of meddler's cries, for content risqué Edited April 4, 2015 by MistarDurk 1
zered Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 Am I really the only one here who got the meaning of the new poem? People should have a second look at it: It clearly states that the original poem was just a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously, and "They asked for blood" is refering to those who asked for its removal and it can't be taken as compliment (if I were "they" I wouldn't take it as one anyway). So all in all it seems rather obvious to me that the new poem means: "your failure to understand an inconsequential joke resulted in stupid censorship, well done you hysterical crowd". I think this is the best way the community should react. Joke about it, the whole ****storm about this doesn't deserve the attention it got.
Mansen Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 Obsidian is one of the few companies left still willing to make old school RPGs, both 'SJW' and anti-SJW sides are now detracting from this goal. I hope you all realize what you're doing. EA is probably laughing their asses off. Good job. Not sure I see the relevance of the EA comparison. It's not like EA/Bioware has tried to make a game in the genre since Origins, which was at best a spiritual hybrid between tactical 2D games and the more "modern" take on the genre. Also - EA with their "We use bots to praise ourselves for supporting gay rights as a smokescreen" tactics probably don't think too much of anything. 3
Volourn Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 "What's he feeding that thing?" IE fans. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
k1rage Posted April 4, 2015 Author Posted April 4, 2015 Am I really the only one here who got the meaning of the new poem? People should have a second look at it: It clearly states that the original poem was just a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously, and "They asked for blood" is refering to those who asked for its removal and it can't be taken as compliment (if I were "they" I wouldn't take it as one anyway). So all in all it seems rather obvious to me that the new poem means: "your failure to understand an inconsequential joke resulted in stupid censorship, well done you hysterical crowd". I actually love both poems the man has talent its just a shame his first had to be censored 1
Nixl Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) Disappointing to say the least. I hope the backer gets a refund. I feel like a broken record at this point, but this feels like a giant double standard towards violence in the game. I am not sure how jokes of this kind are unacceptable, but lynchings and depictions of torture based on ideology are given a pass. If a joke needs to be censored for society's sake, why is violence different? Edited April 4, 2015 by Nixl 4
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 I think you should look up the definition of censorship. You're either dishonest or ignorant. http://i.word.com/idictionary/censorship cen·sor·ship \ˈsen(t)-sər-ˌship\ noun : the system or practice of censoring books, movies, letters, etc. Full Definition 1 a :the institution, system, or practice of censoring b :the actions or practices of censors; especially :censorial control exercised repressively 2 :the office, power, or term of a Roman censor This move certainly can be regarded as censorship. https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/censorship Feel free to contradict the ACLU, but I'm going to give a bit more credence than you. 2 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
Darji Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 Censorship is not only forced by law. As I said you are pretty naive if you believe that is the case. I don't believe I ever claimed that to be the case - I am pointing out that being told by a loud minority to change something is NOT censorship. The choice is still in their own hands. Of course you can debate the legitimacy of the concept of self-censorship, which is pretty much the core of the drama as far as most people seem to be concerned. If Obsidian caves this easily to a small group of loudmouthed people (who arguably haven't even played the game for the most part judging by twitter responses), what will be next on the "I am a minority and feel offended by ___"? And how will this sort of behaviour affect the universe, story and future content that is still on the drawing board. I do not care what it does or not does. And even if it was just some small stone which it basically is. It is the principle of someone being offended by something most people do not even agree and then it get changed. IT is ridiculous how worse this **** has gotten thanks to twitter and co. No one ever should carve in to nutjobs and Yes Obsidian did exactly that and while I am no expressing my anger. I will also never by a Product of Obsidian since I am totally against censorship in any form. I live in Germany and I have to go against a ton of censorship regarding violence or nazi symbols in video games. It is just disgusting to me. Especially when there even was a mod to remove this messages. There was no need at all to remove this but now Obsdian has done it and now they have to live with the consequences. And how big they are will we see with their next game. Which I will certainly not buy. And many other people here seem to be the same.
Purityrantanical Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 Perhaps other backers could write SJW poetry and then we could co-exist.
Namutree Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) this needs to continue as it was an important discussion on the merits of censorship No. It's a bunch of anti-SJ idiots throwing a fit, as usual. Anyone who thinks this has anything to do with censorship is an ignorant tool. Obs did the right thing. *Gets the popcorn* I don't know if Obsidian did the, "right" thing, but they certainly did nothing wrong. The backer's content was changed with the backer's consent after all. Edited April 4, 2015 by Namutree "Good thing I don't heal my characters or they'd be really hurt." Is not something I should ever be thinking. I use blue text when I'm being sarcastic.
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 "What's he feeding that thing?" IE fans. You beautiful patriarch. 2 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
Nosey and Opinionated Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 (edited) So all we need is for someone to actually prove that Obsidian caved and made a decision against its will, with some kind of actual evidence, and we can all go home. Edited April 4, 2015 by Nosey and Opinionated 1
k1rage Posted April 4, 2015 Author Posted April 4, 2015 There is so many nasty non PC stuff in the game. Don't forget the rape, referring to women as 'fire whores', husband murder, etc., etc. TONS. But, this limerick cause them to cry. IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. "Obsidian is one of the few companies left still willing to make old school RPGs, both 'SJW' and anti-SJW sides are now detracting from this goal. I hope you all realize what you're doing. EA is probably laughing their asses off. Good job." If Obsidian believed in old skool RPGs they wouldn't be bowing to pressure to those who loathe old skool RPGs to change their game. RIGHT!?! That's what BIO does. Is Obsidian the NEW BIO? I think so. yes really if one is going to get offended about the game their are many better reasons that that sill poem
Serdan Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 Obsidian is one of the few companies left still willing to make old school RPGs, both 'SJW' and anti-SJW sides are now detracting from this goal. I hope you all realize what you're doing. EA is probably laughing their asses off. Good job. No. This would be a complete non-issue if the bigots hadn't thrown a fit. Go read the replies to the other thread. Someone actually vowed to undermine everything Obsidian ever does. The reaction is completely, hilariously, out of proportion.
Volourn Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 "The backers content was changed with the backer's consent after all." No. He had no choice. What do you think Obsidian does if he tells them no? Come on, tell me. 1 DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
ChipMHazard Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 Am I really the only one here who got the meaning of the new poem? People should have a second look at it: It clearly states that the original poem was just a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously, and "They asked for blood" is refering to those who asked for its removal and it can't be taken as compliment (if I were "they" I wouldn't take it as one anyway). So all in all it seems rather obvious to me that the new poem means: "your failure to understand an inconsequential joke resulted in stupid censorship, well done you hysterical crowd". It is a good testament to the sillyness and apparently they [Those that complained] are now rather upset about the rewritten joke. Have to wait and see if they try to have it removed as well. 1
k1rage Posted April 4, 2015 Author Posted April 4, 2015 this needs to continue as it was an important discussion on the merits of censorship No. It's a bunch of anti-SJ idiots throwing a fit, as usual. Anyone who thinks this has anything to do with censorship is an ignorant tool. Obs did the right thing. *Gets the popcorn* I don't know if Obsidian did the, "right" thing, but they certainly did nothing wrong. The backers content was changed with the backer's consent after all. we dont really know what would have happened it the back had said no way
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