RPGCodex 2014 Games of the Year

[Meshugger]

 

Like whores in a back alley somewhere, the 'Codex is entertaining as ****.

fixed. took out the superfluous puffery. 

 

however, am betting your four-letter word were different than ours.

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

 

We will never know if it truly was

[Sensuki]

I believe I replied to this thread, and the Mishandled Development thread in the PE beta section. I did not appear for the threads where you slandered the codex in the 

DA:I thread

No experience from combat thread

Wasteland 2 Kickstarted thread

Female gamers having a hard time in gaming communites

RPG Codex's Top 70 PC RPGs

and all of the others where you've been doing it (there's lots).

So based on that information, I think the writing is on the wall

[BruceVC]

 

 

Like whores in a back alley somewhere, the 'Codex is here because of the human condition. You cannot remove it because it insults your sensibilities or if it doesn't suit your political or moral agenda.

 

Fascists, communists, nazis, racists, religious bigots, traditionalists, elitists, muslim rape apologists, homosexuals, blood sex fetishists, transexual pornstars, anime wiccans, scat proponents that wish for transexuals to defacate on their chests (yes, that request has actually been passed there) all gather there under the flag of open debate with conservatives, social democrats, libertanians, trotskyists, stalinists, germans, russians, americans, malaysians, vietnamese and brasilians. Their forum is as essential as humanity itself, and it is entertaining as ****.

 

Meshugger, question 

 

Would you say you are offended by some of the derogatory comments on Codex? And if you aren't can you tell me why ?

 

But please think carefully about  my question and your answer because I'll be asking you another question after that

 

 

No,

 

The whole concept of "offensive" for me, is if I should take person's opinion seriously or not. Sometimes the "foul" and "offensive" language is just plain ****posting that adds nothing of value, where i later find myself automatically scrolling past the the said persons posts. But at other times, a good point can be found beneath that edginess and vulgarity, which can bring new insight or will cause me to challenge my believes. I also truly believe that people are more honest in how they are expressing themselves if language is little to no controlled.

 

As of emotional response to being offensive, there's is little to none. I get more angry at stupid people.

 

Hitchens explains it better than me:

 

 

 

Fair enough. But do you believe other people getting offended by homophobic or racist comments on a website like the Codex is justified

 

Or do you think sometimes people are overly sensitive ?

[BruceVC]

 

It's not my list. I didn't even vote. I do however find it humorous that just like every other time someone mentions the RPGCodex on these forums, your just can't help yourself, and post in the thread to highlight your view that the codex is antisemitic, homophobic and racist. Every time, you have said that. What's more, is that when that view is challenged or disagreed with, you start acting like a bigot yourself.

 

You can call 'lolbaited' all you like, but I don't think you're fooling anyone.

 

Codex.

 

Codex.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Codex.

not fooling anyone save you you mean?  

 

am running out of fish.

 

​still no discussion o' the list you posted? *chuckle* as we said, at this point we can be complete transparent and you will still continue with the farce.  

 

lord knows o' the dozens o' threads on these board with some mention o' codex (quick search says 85), we has participated in few, and in most such threads where we has participated, a rpgcodex reference by Gromnir is nowhere to be found. conversely, if we do happen to "slander" codex and you is anywhere in metaphorical earshot... well, is like flies to p00p.

 

complete transparent and still the performance continues.

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

 

Gromnir I see the same thing that happens to me with some of your text starts getting highlighted and becomes  bold. Do you use Chrome, anyway the solution is just at the end of your post just highlight the whole post and use the Remove Format, this will set it back to normal.

 

Remove format is at the top, second icon 

[prodigydancer]

The whole concept of "offensive" for me, is if I should take person's opinion seriously or not. Sometimes the "foul" and "offensive" language is just plain ****posting that adds nothing of value, where i later find myself automatically scrolling past the the said persons posts. But at other times, a good point can be found beneath that edginess and vulgarity, which can bring new insight or will cause me to challenge my believes. I also truly believe that people are more honest in how they are expressing themselves if language is little to no controlled.

 

As of emotional response to being offensive, there's is little to none. I get more angry at stupid people.

This is also situational. When I visit a wiki or a forum where obscenities, flame wars ad hominem attacks are OK, I know what to expect and I don't care. But when someone, instead of responding to my points, resorts to namecalling in a reputable publication's discussion area I can't help feeling backstabbed and out of my element.

 

There need to be places for fun and mischief and places for serious thoughtful discussions and it's in the best interests of everyone that one does not intersect with the other.

[Gromnir]

I believe I replied to this thread, and the Mishandled Development thread in the PE beta section. I did not appear for the threads where you slandered the codex in the 

DA:I thread

No experience from combat thread

Wasteland 2 Kickstarted thread

Female gamers having a hard time in gaming communites

RPG Codex's Top 70 PC RPGs

and all of the others where you've been doing it (there's lots).

 

So based on that information, I think the writing is on the wall

if you ain't in a thread participating, it would not seem to be within metaphorical earshot, yes?  

 

queerer and queerer... queerer doesn't sound like it should be a valid word, which is also queer. 

 

 85 rpgcodex posts and you note 5?

 

actual examples: 

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/45350-does-obsidian-intend-to-make-an-rpg-like-fo/?p=725755

 

yes, slanderous indeed. 

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/46782-official-fallout-forums/?p=766166

 

no mention o' those things you seem to think inevitable follow Gromnir slander for which you must defend.

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/54229-dragon-age-discussion/page-9?hl=%2Brpgcodex+%2Bgromnir&do=findComment&comment=1014101

 

shucks. no disparagement o' codex despite somebody even linking to a codexian review.  how does we hold ourself back?

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/54409-dragon-age-discussion/page-19?hl=%2Brpgcodex+%2Bgromnir&do=findComment&comment=1038688

 

hmmm.  seems critical of soz review only.

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/55421-fighting-in-tunnels/page-2?hl=%2Brpgcodex+%2Bgromnir&do=findComment&comment=1043619

 

more horrible slander referencing the cesspit that is codex? maybe not, eh?

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/39742-obsidians-feargus-urquhart-at-rpg-codex-forum/page-3?hl=%2Brpgcodex+%2Bgromnir&do=findComment&comment=541259

 

another bad example for sensuki it seems.

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/66436-bittersweet-eternity-an-open-letter-addressed-to-obsidian-entertainment/page-6?hl=%2Brpgcodex+%2Bgromnir&do=findComment&comment=1464868

 

our codex reference here seems only to identify them as hardcore crpg fans.

 

etc.

 

given the 85 codex threads we see, many of which we don't involve ourself in any way, we seems to have only a tiny fraction wherein we reference the wonderful qualities o' antisemitism, misogyny, homophobia or any other similar such quality. so, wanna try again?

 

btw, we still ain't speaking 'bout your linked list, is we?

 

have another fish?

 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited January 15, 2015 by Gromnir

[Sensuki]

Haha this is fun. I was referring to your automatic commenting about the codex being antisemetic, racist, misogynist, homophobic (and so on and so forth) having nothing to do with 'lolbaiting' me.

You did it in this thread (no link needed)
Mishandled development (which I replied to)
No experience from combat

Female gamers having a hard time in gaming communites

 

Various others I've seen in the past that the search won't find (as it is limited to a year).

Nevertheless, I did have a good chuckle at your church of cain posts that I just found, that's some good humor  I do not belong to the church of cain.

 

And being Codexian, I do not care about staying on topic.

Edited January 15, 2015 by Sensuki

[Gromnir]

"Haha this is fun. I was referring to your automatic commenting about the codex being antisemetic, racist, misogynist, homophobic (and so on and so forth) having nothing to do with 'lolbaiting' me."

 

​well that is narcissistic. why on earth would every reference by Gromnir o' codexian antisemitism be tied to you?  heck, am not even knowing what your join date is on this board, but you were either so forgettable that we don't recall, or were relative recent... at least insofar as regular posting is concerned. am genuine not sure of your point.  we has baited other codexians other than sensuki, yes. what works on you works equal well on them... as we said elsewhere in this thread, you do tend to suffer from groupthink.

 

how very odd of you.

 

​how is that list coming, btw? 

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

ps is wonderful that we (you) is getting more codexians to share in our shared wisdom.  actual spending efforts digging through our old post? good on you.  more 'bout Gromnir and less 'bout... well, anything else it seems. huzzah.

 

pps  why on earth would you link the following 2 threads:

 

No experience from combat

Female gamers having a hard time in gaming communites

 

you don't have a single post in either?   clearly you is confused.

 

this thread and Mishandled development is two in which we both posted, and both is wonderful indicators o' how easily you get drawn in by any suggestion o' codexian flaw.  

Edited January 15, 2015 by Gromnir

[Meshugger]

 

 

 

Like whores in a back alley somewhere, the 'Codex is here because of the human condition. You cannot remove it because it insults your sensibilities or if it doesn't suit your political or moral agenda.

 

Fascists, communists, nazis, racists, religious bigots, traditionalists, elitists, muslim rape apologists, homosexuals, blood sex fetishists, transexual pornstars, anime wiccans, scat proponents that wish for transexuals to defacate on their chests (yes, that request has actually been passed there) all gather there under the flag of open debate with conservatives, social democrats, libertanians, trotskyists, stalinists, germans, russians, americans, malaysians, vietnamese and brasilians. Their forum is as essential as humanity itself, and it is entertaining as ****.

 

Meshugger, question 

 

Would you say you are offended by some of the derogatory comments on Codex? And if you aren't can you tell me why ?

 

But please think carefully about  my question and your answer because I'll be asking you another question after that

 

 

No,

 

The whole concept of "offensive" for me, is if I should take person's opinion seriously or not. Sometimes the "foul" and "offensive" language is just plain ****posting that adds nothing of value, where i later find myself automatically scrolling past the the said persons posts. But at other times, a good point can be found beneath that edginess and vulgarity, which can bring new insight or will cause me to challenge my believes. I also truly believe that people are more honest in how they are expressing themselves if language is little to no controlled.

 

As of emotional response to being offensive, there's is little to none. I get more angry at stupid people.

 

Hitchens explains it better than me:

 

 

 

Fair enough. But do you believe other people getting offended by homophobic or racist comments on a website like the Codex is justified

 

Or do you think sometimes people are overly sensitive ?

 

 

Justified by being offended is really not justified since it is a subjective relation to words and the interpreation to them. They can themselves feel justified as much as they want, but it is up to the mods to act upon it. And since it is the 'Codex, they will not. They see themselves as janitors and are not there to hold hands.

[Sensuki]

See I don't think that's true. I think you're triggered by the Codex itself. You mention it in many threads without provocation it seems. You quoted me originally saying something about 'the gay friend' trick. I ignored that post. Then you made two more crying about the codex after it. I thought it was funny so I threw a triggerbait post with a snide remark about you being a lawyer that you responded to.

You might have Tigranes stating that you've got passive aggressive down to a fine art, which I believe is true, but I don't believe you're doing the baiting here buddy. Anyway, keep posting. I'm enjoying it 

 

[Gromnir]

See I don't think that's true. I think you're triggered by the Codex itself. You mention it in many threads without provocation it seems. You quoted me originally saying something about 'the gay friend' trick. I ignored that post. Then you made two more crying about the codex after it. I thought it was funny so I threw a triggerbait post with a snide remark about you being a lawyer that you responded to.

 

You might have Tigranes stating that you've got passive aggressive down to a fine art, which I believe is true, but I don't believe you're doing the baiting here buddy. Anyway, keep posting. I'm enjoying it 

 

 

am not sure if you realize how self-contradictory you is being at this point. earlier you seemed to think we couldn't resist codexian lure. now... well you got a new theory, but is kinda a mess. "You mention it in many threads without provocation it seems." why yes, it does seem that way, doesn't it?

 

*chuckle*

 

conversely, we see that in the two threads where Gromnir slanders codex with poison in our heart (HA!) and you is present in the thread, you end up following us down the rabbit hole.

 

we can makes a link to more Gromnir posts though.  you may accidental end up learning something through all o' this.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Sensuki]

You are a lawyer so I imagine if you weren't better at arguing than I am then you wouldn't be very good at your job. I do believe you're triggered by the Codex though - you show up in the related threads to spout your opinion about the place, never failing to mention the antisemitism bit especially and you often seem to mention it unprovoked as well.

And yes I still believe it's personal for you

[Gromnir]

You are a lawyer so I imagine if you weren't better at arguing than I am then you wouldn't be very good at your job. I do believe you're triggered by the Codex though - you show up in the related threads to spout your opinion about the place, never failing to mention the antisemitism bit especially and you often seem to mention it unprovoked as well.

 

And yes I still believe it's personal for you

and yet, we see from the above linked threads, there is many times we has referenced the codex in threads without any mention o' antisemitism, and without actual even being critical o' rpgcodex.

 

but again, 'cause it seems to be going over your head, or through it without stopping, the two times we has mentioned codexian antisemitism in threads where you were also posting, you could not restrain yourself from leaping to defend codexian honor and virtue (heh). which were, to fellow codexians we s'pose, very heroic and charming and silly and kinda proving our point rather than yours. you got a button that is easy to push... though we didn't manage to get you to post offensive nazi images this time, so perhaps you is growing as a person.

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/68888-mishandled-development/?p=1519774

 

you get a warning for that btw?

 

as to your beliefs, well...

 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited January 15, 2015 by Gromnir

[Meshugger]

This behaviour is unbecoming of the PC gaming Master Race.

 

I demand the two of you to make up and kiss.

[Sensuki]

More than two, definitely ones without me replying (and I posted links earlier above in the threads) and I don't care about the warning - it's not the Codex 

[Malcador]

ah. the crux of it. bigotry is not doing any "real harm," yes?  is a shame.

 

our job is to protect first amendment rights, and if we do say so our self, we is quite good at it.  that being said, we is also not so blind as to ignore the harms o' bigotry.  we would surely never patronize any group that fostered an environment that encouraged such.

Not really, but on the forums specifically typing nasty words isn't that much harm. It serves as a "I am racist" sticker on someone though, and that's helpful to learn. Only real harm that could cause would be someone like Bruce being offended, perhaps. But anyway, is a moot point, as you are no fan of the Codex as you've brought up several times already.

 

Haven't seen much moderation on Codex. But then again never seen it here, despite people stamping feet about oby for example

Edited January 15, 2015 by Malcador

[Sensuki]

There's an example of it above actually, I posted an RPGCodex image and it got moderated out.

Edited January 15, 2015 by Sensuki

[Gromnir]

More than two, definitely ones without me replying (and I posted links earlier above in the threads) and I don't care about the warning - it's not the Codex 

in reference to the bold, yes, yes you did. you got a dopple you ain't sharing?

 

You did it in this thread (no link needed)

Mishandled development (which I replied to)

No experience from combat

Female gamers having a hard time in gaming communites

 

you got no posts in the second two.

 

you mention this thread: https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/66196-rpg-codexs-top-70-pc-rpgs/  but not only is there no posts from you, but Gromnir does not mention antisemitism or bigotry of codex in any way, shape or form.

 

etc.

 

2 threads linked and one offensive image that resulted in a warning for you.  we got no warnings. so, who got baited by whom?

 

as we said, progress... codexian baby steps.

 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited January 15, 2015 by Gromnir

[Sensuki]

Sure thing buddy, you can believe whatever you want

 

Codex.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

[Gorth]

Nice gif, love the cat

 

Is this where you need a neutral third party to point out that it looks like his discussion is going in circles now and not really progressing this thread anymore?

[Malcador]

Nice gif, love the cat

 

Is this where you need a neutral third party to point out that it looks like his discussion is going in circles now and not really progressing this thread anymore?

Depends, will we be paying him $300 an hour to consult us on this ?

[Zoraptor]

By way of contrast, the (trigger warning)

 

 

codex's

 

 

little brother site RPGWatch has had their 2014 awards. Far less detailed information is provided and their top three differs somewhat: DOS, WL2 and DAI.

 

1 Divinity: Original Sin 2 Wasteland 2 3 Dragon Age: Inquisition 4 Shadowrun: Dragonfall 5 Might & Magic X: Legacy 6 Lords of Xulima 7 Risen 3: Titan Lords 8 Legend of Grimrock 2 9 Dark Souls II 10 South Park: The Stick of Truth

 

And I bet anything that table won't transfer properly despite it looking fine in the wysiwyg.

[rjshae]

Yes, RPGWatch has a largely PC-oriented, traditional RPG following so the rankings aren't really much of a surprise. In fact the top picks are almost identical to my own preferences.

[Gromnir]

 

 

Like whores in a back alley somewhere, the 'Codex is here because of the human condition. You cannot remove it because it insults your sensibilities or if it doesn't suit your political or moral agenda.

 

Fascists, communists, nazis, racists, religious bigots, traditionalists, elitists, muslim rape apologists, homosexuals, blood sex fetishists, transexual pornstars, anime wiccans, scat proponents that wish for transexuals to defacate on their chests (yes, that request has actually been passed there) all gather there under the flag of open debate with conservatives, social democrats, libertanians, trotskyists, stalinists, germans, russians, americans, malaysians, vietnamese and brasilians. Their forum is as essential as humanity itself, and it is entertaining as ****.

 

Meshugger, question 

 

Would you say you are offended by some of the derogatory comments on Codex? And if you aren't can you tell me why ?

 

But please think carefully about  my question and your answer because I'll be asking you another question after that

 

 

No,

 

The whole concept of "offensive" for me, is if I should take person's opinion seriously or not. Sometimes the "foul" and "offensive" language is just plain ****posting that adds nothing of value, where i later find myself automatically scrolling past the the said persons posts. But at other times, a good point can be found beneath that edginess and vulgarity, which can bring new insight or will cause me to challenge my believes. I also truly believe that people are more honest in how they are expressing themselves if language is little to no controlled.

 

As of emotional response to being offensive, there's is little to none. I get more angry at stupid people.

 

Hitchens explains it better than me:

 

 

quick note 'cause mesh clear misunderstands message o' the video he shared.

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/66172-female-gamers-having-a-hard-time-in-gaming-communites/?p=1448947

 

freedom o' speech is meaningless unless it protects speech that would otherwise offend.  that being said, recognizing a right to be offensive (which doesn't genuine exist in most places outside the US, even those most liberal o' western democracies,) is not the same as asking for listeners to ignore or condone the message o' bigots.  bigotry is harmful, in spite o' the views voiced by some in this thread.  "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence." to ignore the bigotry is to sully the freedoms we has been afforded. you has freedom o' speech not just so that you can say something offensive, but so that you might combat bigotry and intolerance with education and enlightenment. failure to act against the bigots is very much akin to walking past the mugging victim and pretending to ignore the "evil."  ignoring bigotry is not the remedy envisioned.

 

so yes, free speech is very much requiring a recognition that offensive speech is no less worthy o' protection than speech we like. as we has said elsewhere, offensive speech is the only kinda speech that is actual needing protection.  even so, the belief that freedom o' speech necessarily means one should ignore intolerance and bigotry is wholly misguided and is a clear misunderstanding o' the titans referenced in the video mesh linked.  we hope you actual watched it all as you do seem to have missed the central premise.

 

oh, and we didn't play d:os or da:i as yet, so we cannot speak to the validity o' the rpgwatch list save to note that wasteland 2 appears to be ranked a bit high.  then again, we didn't genuine play most o' the other titles nominated, so perhaps we is wrong on this point.

 

HA! Good Fun!