Journalism and sexism in the games industry

[Orogun01]

I still can't stop waking up and thinking how insane this all is. It's the most petty, childish and selfish handlings of what are supposed to be legitimate businesses, and it's the type of thing that, were this to appear in fiction, I would discredit the story as being a bit weak as the antagonists and villain's motivations are a bit too lame, and while such motivations exist in the real world, they'd never exist on such a grand scale.

 

And yet apparently they do. It's like what the ****. I'm just speechless, day in and day out.

It may be that because corporations stock would drop if they become involved in a scandal they decided to take a preventive measure and try to disrupt conversation.

 

Kind of incredible and sad that 5 months into this thing they are still finding new cases of corruption, not bad for a thing that everyone thought was going to be over in a few weeks. Its kind of like the Civil War of gaming.

[Keyrock]

 

In fact, while my views don't line up 100% with them (my views don't even line up 100% with most gamergaters), I tend to agree with a lot of 2nd wave feminists and sex-positive feminists on a good percentage of issues.  When it comes to radical 3rd wave feminists, yeah, I tend to disagree with the vast majority of what a lot of them have to say, on account of a lot of them being either complete lunatics, full of **** charlatans, or a combination of both, in my opinion.

What parts of second-wave and (so-called) "sex-positive" feminism do you agree with and why do you have such a disdain for the third-wave?

 

I ask because "sex-positivity" is primarily associated with the third wave.

 

Second-wave feminism was (And is, in my mind, since there are still those that share their ideals.  I associate the "waves" more with ideals and methods than timeframes, though that's likely an "incorrect" way of looking at it) largely concerned with women's rights when it came to employment.  They fight for removal of gender restrictions and barriers in the workplace, and for equal pay across genders, based on skill level, experience, and seniority, rather than what happens to be between your legs.  I agree there should be no restrictions in employment based on gender and that people should be paid according to their skills, talents, and experience, period.  I do not agree with everything brought about under second-wave feminism, though.  For example, I oppose Affirmative Action, since it, by definition, discriminates.  While it's goal may be noble, in theory at least, I do not feel the correct way to solve a wrong is with another wrong.

 

As for sex-positive feminism, I agree with sex-positive feminists in regards to pornography and sex work not being evil in and of themselves.  While there are obviously disgusting perversions, such as child porn, and making anyone do sex acts against their will is horrible, sexuality and sex acts in and of themselves are not evil in my opinion.  They are a natural, biological function, ones that can be seen again and again throughout the animal kingdom.  While we are sentient, we are still animals, and mating is a basic and very much necessary part of our life cycle.  I find using sexuality to entice the opposite (or same, if you like) sex to be entirely natural.  

 

As for third wave feminists, that is a highly splintered group.  The group I referred to as "radical third wave feminists" (I may not have been specific enough) is an extremist sect of the movement that, in my view, is fairly saturated with double standards and bigotry.  These radicals essentially support sex-positivity when it fits their narrative and condemn it when it doesn't.  Like any extremist, their views are highly insular and in many ways pervert the very nature of the base ideals they purport to hold.  No discourse can be had with any of these people because everyone and everything has been preemptively judged by them, and even overwhelming evidence contrary to the opinions and ideals they hold is never even considered and immediately dismissed.

Edited January 3, 2015 by Keyrock

[BruceVC]

Why do feminists and anti GGers - espicially the ones in this thread - so reaidly endorse sexism, racism, and hatred. They still haven't explained why it's okay for Bruce to mansplain to my neice why it's okay for him to tell her what games she can and cannot play. Why is it okay for Bruce to enslave my neice? That's evil.

 

Volo I really thought we had resolved this and you were happy with my response?

 

I am sorry your niece works in the sex industry but there is no judgement from my side. And I have no issue with her playing GTAV 

[licketysplit]

 

 

Mistake post. Mods can delete. 

Edited January 3, 2015 by licketysplit

[licketysplit]

 

Why do feminists and anti GGers - espicially the ones in this thread - so reaidly endorse sexism, racism, and hatred. They still haven't explained why it's okay for Bruce to mansplain to my neice why it's okay for him to tell her what games she can and cannot play. Why is it okay for Bruce to enslave my neice? That's evil.

 

Volo I really thought we had resolved this and you were happy with my response?

 

I am sorry your niece works in the sex industry but there is no judgement from my side. And I have no issue with her playing GTAV 

 

You don't seem sorry at all, and given the vulture like timing of your post, you might want to check if Polygon is hiring. Might be right up your alley.

[BruceVC]

 

 

Why do feminists and anti GGers - espicially the ones in this thread - so reaidly endorse sexism, racism, and hatred. They still haven't explained why it's okay for Bruce to mansplain to my neice why it's okay for him to tell her what games she can and cannot play. Why is it okay for Bruce to enslave my neice? That's evil.

 

Volo I really thought we had resolved this and you were happy with my response?

 

I am sorry your niece works in the sex industry but there is no judgement from my side. And I have no issue with her playing GTAV 

 

You don't seem sorry at all, and given the vulture like timing of your post, you might want to check if Polygon is hiring. Might be right up your alley.

 

 

 

"vulture like timing" 

 

My, my ....how dramatic, what theatre 

 

I responded to a question that Volo keeps saying I haven't  responded to. How is that " vulture like "...please explain ?

[Meshugger]

Bruce seems to have all kinds of weird assuptions about Volo's niece. But let Volo speak for himself on this matter.

 

In other news: https://twitter.com/catfreq

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Well they did some digging through Ben Kuchera's old posts and came up with these.

 

http://i.imgur.com/6w1lij0.jpg

 

https://m.imgur.com/YjJml6l

 

At best he's a hypocrite.

[kirottu]

Quite lot of these extreme SJWs seem to be closet bigots.

[Blarghagh]

Good god, some of those things are bloody awful. Anyway, how's the Reddit situation? Still banning consumer rights arbitrarily? This is why #GamerGaters lash out - because the people looking down on them are the worst ****s imaginable and somehow they have enough clout to get entire avenues of communication and rights closed off to silence them.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Good god, some of those things are bloody awful. Anyway, how's the Reddit situation? Still banning consumer rights arbitrarily? This is why #GamerGaters lash out - because the people looking down on them are the worst ****s imaginable and somehow they have enough clout to get entire avenues of communication and rights closed off to silence them.

Welcome to the reality of rich white libruls in the USA. They'll pay lip service, but their actions indicate a disdain(at its most mild) for the lower classes and minorities.

 

As to reddit, /KiA/ is a thing as is a new KiA on Voat. If need be, the exodus is being prepared for and should be able to happen without losing too many.

[Blarghagh]

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sjmk7n

 

Cainejw, Another #GamerGater (significant one, contributer to #NotYourShield, writes for Medium) writes an article about their harassment. I guess GG learnt a lesson about victimhood.

[Keyrock]

Good god, some of those things are bloody awful. Anyway, how's the Reddit situation? Still banning consumer rights arbitrarily? This is why #GamerGaters lash out - because the people looking down on them are the worst ****s imaginable and somehow they have enough clout to get entire avenues of communication and rights closed off to silence them.

It's partly because so many before us have just given in and made concessions to them, figuring giving a small concession was better than taking the brunt of the slanderous shaming tactics these people employ.  Every little concession adds up and they've slowly gained power and influence.  That's why those saying earlier (many threads ago) that this was petty and a fight not worth fighting are fools.  These monsters need to be halted and every time someone figures the fight is not worth fighting they gain power and influence, making them harder to stop.

 

Also, spoiled trust fund babies have plenty of money to toss about.  Money = power.

Edited January 3, 2015 by Keyrock

[Volourn]

"I am sorry your niece works in the sex industry but there is no judgement from my side. :

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More evidence of your evil. Besmriching my niece like that. What has she ever done to you? She is no prostitute. She's not even 18 yet. Stop being sexist and evil.

 

 

"And I have no issue with her playing GTAV "

 

Yes, you do. You feel it is acceptable to ban games if you dissaprove of the content. You find it acceptable that GTAV is banned and want it completely banned. That, to me, tells me you want to mansplain why it is acceptable for you to tell my neice what games she can and cannot play.

 

Nazi and evil to the core. Not to mention pure sexism. Let's not forget you continue to try to ruin a young lady's reputation even thoguh you don';t even know her out of spite of her uncle. Yet, you claim to be a feminist.

 

LMAO

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Looks like /notyourshield/ is on 8chan as well. Not much atm, but does feature a Bethesda employee telling a bunch of minorities to shut up.

Edited January 3, 2015 by KaineParker

[Longknife]

Looks like /notyourshield/ is on 8chan as well. Not much atm, but does feature a Bethesda employee telling a bunch of minorities to shut up.

 

?? Care to fill us in with a couple more details?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

Looks like /notyourshield/ is on 8chan as well. Not much atm, but does feature a Bethesda employee telling a bunch of minorities to shut up.

 

 

?? Care to fill us in with a couple more details?

 

Won't link to 8chan directly, but you can find the board fairly easily.

[Cultist]

a Bethesda employee telling a bunch of minorities to shut up.

At least bethesda have courage to say "@#$% off!" to this scum.

I imagine how GTAV  would look should devs listen to this Social Justice bunch of degenerades.

Edited January 3, 2015 by Cultist

[Blarghagh]

I think you misunderstand, the Bethesda dev is the "social justice degenerate" telling the pro-freedom of speech people to f off.

[Longknife]

I think you misunderstand, the Bethesda dev is the "social justice degenerate" telling the pro-freedom of speech people to f off.

 

 

Especially disheartening if you like Fallout: http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fred_Zeleny

 

It's also very ironic to me because, if I may, Bethesda could not write themselves out of a f***ing paper bag, and here's one of their quest designers claiming GamerGate is stifling creative people. Which again is odd because I'd love to hear of a single game GamerGate has prevented. By my count GamerGate has helped get three games funded: one was made by feminists, another was made by "literal Nazis" according to SJWs, and the last seems similar to Harvest Moon and was made by a woman.

[Cultist]

[Hiro Protagonist]

"I am sorry your niece works in the sex industry but there is no judgement from my side. :

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More evidence of your evil. Besmriching my niece like that. What has she ever done to you? She is no prostitute. She's not even 18 yet. Stop being sexist and evil.

 

That is quite despicable with what Bruce wrote. The least Bruce could do is apologise. You know Bruce, you can admit you are wrong. I think the best solution is for Bruce to admit he is wrong and apologise to Volourn.

[Orogun01]

 

"I am sorry your niece works in the sex industry but there is no judgement from my side. :

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More evidence of your evil. Besmriching my niece like that. What has she ever done to you? She is no prostitute. She's not even 18 yet. Stop being sexist and evil.

 

That is quite despicable with what Bruce wrote. The least Bruce could do is apologise. You know Bruce, you can admit you are wrong. I think the best solution is for Bruce to admit he is wrong and apologise to Volourn.

 

And donate to his Patreon.

[Oerwinde]

So Liana K referred to whats going on in Gaming as Digital Colonialism. Where one outside group is moving in and trying to "civilize" the indigenous people. Gamerghazi calls her a racist.

 

Her response: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sjms81

[BruceVC]

"I am sorry your niece works in the sex industry but there is no judgement from my side. :

\

More evidence of your evil. Besmriching my niece like that. What has she ever done to you? She is no prostitute. She's not even 18 yet. Stop being sexist and evil.

 

 

"And I have no issue with her playing GTAV "

 

Yes, you do. You feel it is acceptable to ban games if you dissaprove of the content. You find it acceptable that GTAV is banned and want it completely banned. That, to me, tells me you want to mansplain why it is acceptable for you to tell my neice what games she can and cannot play.

 

Nazi and evil to the core. Not to mention pure sexism. Let's not forget you continue to try to ruin a young lady's reputation even thoguh you don';t even know her out of spite of her uncle. Yet, you claim to be a feminist.

 

LMAO

 

 

"I am sorry your niece works in the sex industry but there is no judgement from my side. :

\

More evidence of your evil. Besmriching my niece like that. What has she ever done to you? She is no prostitute. She's not even 18 yet. Stop being sexist and evil.

 

That is quite despicable with what Bruce wrote. The least Bruce could do is apologise. You know Bruce, you can admit you are wrong. I think the best solution is for Bruce to admit he is wrong and apologise to Volourn.

 

 

 

 

I'm confused by the inconsistency in these posts and the basic contradictions around  some views

 

When we first spoke about hookers and removing them from GTA I was accused of censorship and told " a hooker is a normal job, just like a hotdog salesman"

 

Are we now saying that in fact being a hooker is in fact a demeaning and abusive job like I mentioned in the beginning?

 

Are we now acknowledging that in fact by nature hookers are actually victims of their own jobs in many cases?