American Riots, Michael Brown....is it justified ?

[Valsuelm]

Eric Garner's daughter gets it:

 

[Valsuelm]

There is no such thing as communism in the US. US is the complete opposite of communism's ideal of wealth redistribution.

Having the state run health care, education etc. does not make a country communist, if it does, most of Europe is communist as well.

 

You could argue that the US is basically a one party state where its impossible for another party/idea to penetrate the political spectrum or for any other actor to successfully participate in politics due to the extreme costs of running a campaign and tight media control of set topics that the system allows to circulate. 

 

By extension you could argue that its essentially authoritarian in nature (like communist states used to be) and under complete control of moneyed elites (unlike communist states, where the elite was political first and foremost), but whenever I hear a person from the US argue that the US is communist, I can't help but wonder what's going through your head.

 

Just because all facets of a society/government/bureaucracy are not X, doesn't mean that some of aspects of it are not.

 

Note that I said 'drift towards communism and fascism'. The U.S. is not a communist state yet, nor do I think it will ever be fully. An amalgamation of communism and fascism however is definitely on the horizon and in large part already here.

 

And yea... much of Europe is largely communist. They're turning into soviets of the EU over there. Many have argued they already have, notably including Mikhail Gorbachev.

 

I call spades spades. I don't refer to fascism as 'crony capitalism' and I generally don't call communism/Marxism 'socialism' or anything other than what it is, nor do I make excuses for either. People who do have been deluded or have evil intent. The former far outnumbers the latter.

 

As ever:

 

'None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.' - Geothe

Edited December 6, 2014 by Valsuelm

[Volourn]

Ms. Garner. This isn't a race issue. This is  a power issue with cops. There are plenty of times where cops kill white people. Hardly a big deal is made of it. Where was the protests then?  I've ehard nothing that suggest either officer in these last two cases are racist. ui have seen plenty of evidence they abuse their power and people make excuses for their deaths. Though, I'm inclined to side with the copper in the Brown case but the Garner case. This is slam dunk cold blooded murder.

Edited December 6, 2014 by Volourn

[Elerond]

In response to Drowsy, the state is already footing the bill (really taxpayers) for a kindergarten through 12th grade education. After 18, why shouldnt the student have some financial stake in all of this?

 

Higher general education level benefits everybody, as it ensures that people know what they are doing in their jobs, and it also make it easier to ensure that people get that education which they want making them more productive members of society. This is reason why education for example in is payed from taxes from kindergarten to doctorate level in universities and addition to pay education state also gives student allowance that ensures that people can study without need to worry how they can pay their rent and food when they study (some of this allowance is paid in form of cheap loans). This system makes Finnish education system equal opportunity system to anybody from any economical and social background. I don't say that Finnish education system is necessary better than education systems in USA, but I would not change it even though I now pay it from my taxes, but I got my University education to paid by state and I am from economical and social background that it is high probably that I wouldn't had afforded similar level schooling if I had lived in USA for example. 

 

But anyway point is that education of citizens is first and foremost for common-good of the country so it should be paid from common funds, as that ensures that country has better ability to compete in markets and develop to better place to live. For same reason I support publicly funded universal health care systems, because it has higher probability to ensure healthy public from bottom to top which means that society as general has higher change to be more productive as whole.

 

Although I must admit that my view to this things is heavily biased as I have lived my whole life in country which has publicly funded education and universal healthcare and I have benefit form both greatly.

[Walsingham]

Ms. Garner. This isn't a race issue. This is  a power issue with cops. There are plenty of times where cops kill white people. Hardly a big deal is made of it. Where was the protests then?  I've ehard nothing that suggest either officer in these last two cases are racist. ui have seen plenty of evidence they abuse their power and people make excuses for their deaths. Though, I'm inclined to side with the copper in the Brown case but the Garner case. This is slam dunk cold blooded murder.

 

I'm genuinely intrigued. Do you get drunk before these posts, or do they get you high in their own right?

[Drowsy Emperor]

 

In response to Drowsy, the state is already footing the bill (really taxpayers) for a kindergarten through 12th grade education. After 18, why shouldnt the student have some financial stake in all of this?

 

Higher general education level benefits everybody, as it ensures that people know what they are doing in their jobs, and it also make it easier to ensure that people get that education which they want making them more productive members of society. This is reason why education for example in is payed from taxes from kindergarten to doctorate level in universities and addition to pay education state also gives student allowance that ensures that people can study without need to worry how they can pay their rent and food when they study (some of this allowance is paid in form of cheap loans). This system makes Finnish education system equal opportunity system to anybody from any economical and social background. I don't say that Finnish education system is necessary better than education systems in USA, but I would not change it even though I now pay it from my taxes, but I got my University education to paid by state and I am from economical and social background that it is high probably that I wouldn't had afforded similar level schooling if I had lived in USA for example. 

 

But anyway point is that education of citizens is first and foremost for common-good of the country so it should be paid from common funds, as that ensures that country has better ability to compete in markets and develop to better place to live. For same reason I support publicly funded universal health care systems, because it has higher probability to ensure healthy public from bottom to top which means that society as general has higher change to be more productive as whole.

 

Although I must admit that my view to this things is heavily biased as I have lived my whole life in country which has publicly funded education and universal healthcare and I have benefit form both greatly.

 

 

Well you just did my job for me. I believe Finland is at the top of the list for the most educated populace in general according to statistics. Top in book consumption too, but those obviously go hand in hand.

 

Its hard to believe that in the 21st century these things are even up for debate. 

[Wrath of Dagon]

"What would you do in that situation?"\

 

Not commit murder for starters.

That's exactly what I expected you to say, and of course you never answered my question.

 

As far as free higher education, there is already all kinds of financial aid and loans available for people who can't afford it, especially for minorities. Also nothing is free, someone's paying for it, the top 20% percentile is paying virtually all the income tax in the US already. In fact, the huge influx of government aid into higher education is what makes it so expensive.

[Elerond]

As far as free higher education, there is already all kinds of financial aid and loans available for people who can't afford it, especially for minorities. Also nothing is free, someone's paying for it, the top 20% percentile is paying virtually all the income tax in the US already. In fact, the huge influx of government aid into higher education is what makes it so expensive.

 

 

In Finland public spending in our school system and culture is 6.6 billion euros (8.1 billion dollars), which includes schooling for everyone from kindergartens to universities and public support for arts, sports and research, if we multiply it with proportional population difference between Finland and USA (about 60) we get about 490 billion dollars, which is less than what they say USA uses to public elementary and secondary schools.

 

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=66

Total expenditures for public elementary and secondary schools in the United States amounted to $632 billion in 2010–11

 

 

So I would guess that it is not just government aid in higher education that makes things more expensive.

Edited December 7, 2014 by Elerond

[Valsuelm]

 

As far as free higher education, there is already all kinds of financial aid and loans available for people who can't afford it, especially for minorities. Also nothing is free, someone's paying for it, the top 20% percentile is paying virtually all the income tax in the US already. In fact, the huge influx of government aid into higher education is what makes it so expensive.

 

 

In Finland public spending in our school system and culture is 6.6 billion euros (8.1 billion dollars), which includes schooling for everyone from kindergartens to universities and public support for arts, sports and research, if we multiply it with proportional population difference between Finland and USA (about 60) we get about 490 billion dollars, which is less than what they say USA uses to public elementary and secondary schools.

 

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=66

Total expenditures for public elementary and secondary schools in the United States amounted to $632 billion in 2010–11

 

 

So I would guess that it is not just government aid in higher education that makes things more expensive.

 

The amount of spending on something does not mean whatever it is, is necessarily expensive. This is certainly not the case with K-12 in the U.S., as the actual expenses paid by the public school systems are generally the same as what a private K-12 school's would be. The public school systems tend to spend a lot more though, but in general they do not need to.

The reason for the amount of spending on K-12 in the U.S. varies by locale, but in most of them the biggest reasons so much money is spent comes down to two things.

 

1. Pure waste.

 

ie: buying crap that's totally unnecessary for the classroom (like a plethora of state of the art computers at government high prices to teach history), remodeling old or building new buildings far far more often than they need to be, spending stupid amounts of $$$ on high salaries for educational bureaucrats, spending millions on a 'state of the art' sports facility, the list goes on.....

 

2. People who think throwing money at something will solve problem X.

 

There are a lot of people out there deluded with the idea that education is underfunded, that the various problems in the education system can be solved with $$$. And no matter how many times that budget has gone up, it's still underfunded in many people's minds (these people are not well grounded in reality and facts).

 

#2 leads to more #1.

 

Now, there are certainly some places in the U.S. that could use some better funding (most notably some inner city areas), but even there it's likely more a situation of misallocation of funds (See #1 vs decent salaries for teachers and the basics like good books). That said, the big problems plaguing your average inner city are such that no amount of money is going to solve them, as many fundamental issues grow out of societal and cultural problems that transcend education. ie: sh*tty parents.

 

There is a world of difference in how public K-12 is funded in the U.S. vs how 'higher education' is funded. Comparing them as you wish to is comparing apples and oranges. And without a doubt for anyone who understands and is familiar with the issue, the #1 driver for how expensive higher education has become in the U.S. is the Federal Student Loan programs.

 

Edited December 7, 2014 by Valsuelm

[Mr. Magniloquent]

 

Ms. Garner. This isn't a race issue. This is  a power issue with cops. There are plenty of times where cops kill white people. Hardly a big deal is made of it. Where was the protests then?  I've ehard nothing that suggest either officer in these last two cases are racist. ui have seen plenty of evidence they abuse their power and people make excuses for their deaths. Though, I'm inclined to side with the copper in the Brown case but the Garner case. This is slam dunk cold blooded murder.

 

I'm genuinely intrigued. Do you get drunk before these posts, or do they get you high in their own right?

 

 

Eric Garner was killed for not paying his protection money. He simply wasn't paying his dues. NYC government considers itself head of the cigarette cartel in the city, and killed this man while enforcing that cartel's position. One has to be intoxicated on koolaide to not see that for what it is.

[BruceVC]

 

 

Ms. Garner. This isn't a race issue. This is  a power issue with cops. There are plenty of times where cops kill white people. Hardly a big deal is made of it. Where was the protests then?  I've ehard nothing that suggest either officer in these last two cases are racist. ui have seen plenty of evidence they abuse their power and people make excuses for their deaths. Though, I'm inclined to side with the copper in the Brown case but the Garner case. This is slam dunk cold blooded murder.

 

I'm genuinely intrigued. Do you get drunk before these posts, or do they get you high in their own right?

 

 

Eric Garner was killed for not paying his protection money. He simply wasn't paying his dues. NYC government considers itself head of the cigarette cartel in the city, and killed this man while enforcing that cartel's position. One has to be intoxicated on koolaide to not see that for what it is.

 

 

I'm sorry but that's nonsense, Garner wasn't assassinated by the police for not paying protection money. You are starting to sound like Vals, next thing you will be expecting us to believe that 9/11 wasn't committed by Al-Qaeda

 

He died while resisting arrest, you do know that arresting arrest is illegal right?

[Volourn]

 So the SJW who is about social justice feels the police are justifed in murdering someone because they accuse him of illegally' selling cigerattes even though he wasn't just because they have a blue uniform on? How the hell is that social justice?

 

Cold blooded murder of an unarmed man is evil no matter what you are wearing. SICK.

 

P.S. Defending bad pigs doesn't help good cops. It hurts them.

[BruceVC]

 So the SJW who is about social justice feels the police are justifed in murdering someone because they accuse him of illegally' selling cigerattes even though he wasn't just because they have a blue uniform on? How the hell is that social justice?

 

Cold blooded murder of an unarmed man is evil no matter what you are wearing. SICK.

 

P.S. Defending bad pigs doesn't help good cops. It hurts them.

 

I watched the video, it really didn't look like murder.

 

The cops tried to restrain him, Garner was a big guy, and in there efforts to restrain him he died. But the whole issue of using a chokehold is definitely controversial as this is illegal

[Valsuelm]

 

 

Ms. Garner. This isn't a race issue. This is  a power issue with cops. There are plenty of times where cops kill white people. Hardly a big deal is made of it. Where was the protests then?  I've ehard nothing that suggest either officer in these last two cases are racist. ui have seen plenty of evidence they abuse their power and people make excuses for their deaths. Though, I'm inclined to side with the copper in the Brown case but the Garner case. This is slam dunk cold blooded murder.

 

I'm genuinely intrigued. Do you get drunk before these posts, or do they get you high in their own right?

 

 

Eric Garner was killed for not paying his protection money. He simply wasn't paying his dues. NYC government considers itself head of the cigarette cartel in the city, and killed this man while enforcing that cartel's position. One has to be intoxicated on koolaide to not see that for what it is.

 

 

I'd call it indoctrinated brainwashing rather than koolaid intoxication, as they're just thinking what they've been trained to think sine they were little kids if they don't see it for what it is, but you're 100% right on. Very few of us grow up in an environment where we are taught to question everything, including authority. On the contrary, one of the major purposes of public education is to teach people to mindlessly subject themselves to authority. The validity of the police and many other established institutions are not to be questioned.

 

The fact of the matter is, that if you don't question everything at some point, you're not truly thinking or truly aware of the world around you, you're in a box.

Edited December 8, 2014 by Valsuelm

[Valsuelm]

 

 

 

Ms. Garner. This isn't a race issue. This is  a power issue with cops. There are plenty of times where cops kill white people. Hardly a big deal is made of it. Where was the protests then?  I've ehard nothing that suggest either officer in these last two cases are racist. ui have seen plenty of evidence they abuse their power and people make excuses for their deaths. Though, I'm inclined to side with the copper in the Brown case but the Garner case. This is slam dunk cold blooded murder.

 

I'm genuinely intrigued. Do you get drunk before these posts, or do they get you high in their own right?

 

 

Eric Garner was killed for not paying his protection money. He simply wasn't paying his dues. NYC government considers itself head of the cigarette cartel in the city, and killed this man while enforcing that cartel's position. One has to be intoxicated on koolaide to not see that for what it is.

 

 

I'm sorry but that's nonsense, Garner wasn't assassinated by the police for not paying protection money. You are starting to sound like Vals, next thing you will be expecting us to believe that 9/11 wasn't committed by Al-Qaeda

 

He died while resisting arrest, you do know that arresting arrest is illegal right?

 

Grossly misinterpreting someone else and in putting words they never wrote or uttered in your post as if they stated them. as usual.

 

He didn't say anyone was assassinated. He said: "NYC government considers itself head of the cigarette cartel in the city, and killed this man while enforcing that cartel's position." [bolding mine for emphasis on what he stated in contrast to what you stated he said.]

 

You're essentially a socialist. If there's anyone that I've seen post on this board that is a card carrying Marxist, knowing or unknowing, it's you. Coincidentally (or not), if there's one person I've see on this forum spout mainstream marxist narrative BS as if it's the truth again and again, it's you. You slurp up mainstream western propaganda like a starving pig slurps at his trough and then gleefully plops into your pile of poo slinging it everywhere, as to you the world looks better covered that way, and nevermind if the other creatures in it don't want it that way. You think you know better for people on the other side of the world what is good for them than they do. You support all sorts of evil BS that oppresses, ruins, and quite literally destroys lives. In your mind you probably actually think you're doing good, but the reality is you've been seduced by evil that appeals to your base emotions and superficial thinking at the expense of reason, logic, immediate and long term realities. I certainly do not expect you to see the forest through the trees you've surrounded yourself with and correctly see the situation for what it is.

 

You support all sorts of laws, and fail to realize (or just don't really care) that every law that's ever passed is ultimately enforced at the end of a barrel of a gun if it's enforced. Even the ridiculous ones than many ignoramuses think are nothing but helpful such as an excessive tax on cigarettes, or a must wear seat belt law.

 

Sometimes, that gun is fired, literally or figuratively, but it is always aimed during enforcement, if not literally then figuratively as threat is there. Unfortunately for Eric Garner, he was killed during the enforcement a law that people such as yourself wanted enacted and enforced. People who think they know better for others what's good for them than they do and would deprive such people of the basic freedoms to decide for themselves, as well as wants the state to enforce your ideas upon others. And with force, as that's the only way it's done.

 

The State is force.

 

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." - Washington

 

You would burn the world with the oppressive fire of your ideal government if you could, knowingly or unknowningly.

 

As for 9/11. You're the one who keeps bringing that up, not I. I'm pretty positive I've never actually directly discussed 9/11 on these forums. Some time back I did make a couple of posts about cognitive dissonance and linked a video discussing it, in part in the context of 9/11. You suffer so much from cognitive dissonance that you failed to see the entire point of the video. Instead suffering a knee-jerk reaction because something in it went against a fragile world view that you need to preserve for yourself so much you close your eyes to various truths all around you, and would marginalize or 'kill the messenger' rather than receive the message.

 

Edited December 8, 2014 by Valsuelm

[Volourn]

"I watched the video, it really didn't look like murder."
 

Watch it again. He tackles someone, puts a choke hold on him, and squeezes while the guy tries begging for mercy, he ignores the begging and continues to squeeze until the guy dies. That is cold blooded murder.

 

btw, You can't be arrested for resisting arrest. The logic doesn't make sense. He was accused of selling 'illegal cigarrettes' yet supposedly he didn't have any on him. And, even if he did, that is not probable cause to commit cold blooded murder.

\

How can someone who believes in 'social justice' be okay with someone getting away with cold blooded murder simply ebcause they wear a blue uniform. That's sick.

 

Yet, you get mad because someone was mean on the internet. COME ON.

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

 

Ms. Garner. This isn't a race issue. This is  a power issue with cops. There are plenty of times where cops kill white people. Hardly a big deal is made of it. Where was the protests then?  I've ehard nothing that suggest either officer in these last two cases are racist. ui have seen plenty of evidence they abuse their power and people make excuses for their deaths. Though, I'm inclined to side with the copper in the Brown case but the Garner case. This is slam dunk cold blooded murder.

 

I'm genuinely intrigued. Do you get drunk before these posts, or do they get you high in their own right?

 

 

Eric Garner was killed for not paying his protection money. He simply wasn't paying his dues. NYC government considers itself head of the cigarette cartel in the city, and killed this man while enforcing that cartel's position. One has to be intoxicated on koolaide to not see that for what it is.

 

 

I'm sorry but that's nonsense, Garner wasn't assassinated by the police for not paying protection money. You are starting to sound like Vals, next thing you will be expecting us to believe that 9/11 wasn't committed by Al-Qaeda

 

He died while resisting arrest, you do know that arresting arrest is illegal right?

 

Grossly misinterpreting someone else and in putting words they never wrote or uttered in your post as if they stated them. as usual.

He didn't say anyone was assassinated. He said: "NYC government considers itself head of the cigarette cartel in the city, and killed this man while enforcing that cartel's position." [bolding mine for emphasis on what he stated in contrast to what you stated he said.]

You're essentially a socialist. If there's anyone that I've seen post on this board that is a card carrying Marxist, knowing or unknowing, it's you. Coincidentally (or not), if there's one person I've see on this forum spout mainstream marxist narrative BS as if it's the truth again and again, it's you. You slurp up mainstream western propaganda like a starving pig slurps at his trough and then gleefully plops into your pile of poo slinging it everywhere, as to you the world looks better covered that way, and nevermind if the other creatures in it don't want it that way. You think you know better for people on the other side of the world what is good for them than they do. You support all sorts of evil BS that oppresses, ruins, and quite literally destroys lives. In your mind you probably actually think you're doing good, but the reality is you've been seduced by evil that appeals to your base emotions and superficial thinking at the expense of reason, logic, immediate and long term realities. I certainly do not expect you to see the forest through the trees you've surrounded yourself with and correctly see the situation for what it is.

You support all sorts of laws, and fail to realize (or just don't really care) that every law that's ever passed is ultimately enforced at the end of a barrel of a gun if it's enforced. Even the ridiculous ones than many ignoramuses think are nothing but helpful such as an excessive tax on cigarettes, or a must wear seat belt law.

Sometimes, that gun is fired, literally or figuratively, but it is always aimed during enforcement, if not literally then figuratively as threat is there. Unfortunately for Eric Garner, he was killed during the enforcement a law that people such as yourself wanted enacted and enforced. People who think they know better for others what's good for them than they do and would deprive such people of the basic freedoms to decide for themselves, as well as wants the state to enforce your ideas upon others. And with force, as that's the only way it's done.

The State is force.

 

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." - Washington

You would burn the world with the oppressive fire of your ideal government if you could, knowingly or unknowningly.
 

As for 9/11. You're the one who keeps bringing that up, not I. I'm pretty positive I've never actually directly discussed 9/11 on these forums. Some time back I did make a couple of posts about cognitive dissonance and linked a video discussing it, in part in the context of 9/11. You suffer so much from cognitive dissonance that you failed to see the entire point of the video. Instead suffering a knee-jerk reaction because something in it went against a fragile world view that you need to preserve for yourself so much you close your eyes to various truths all around you, and would marginalize or 'kill the messenger' rather than receive the message.

 

 

I doubt I'm a  true Marxist as you claim, I believe in strong and effective government institutions like education and healthcare but the private industry must be responsible for growing the economy. Taxes would be relatively high but people can still be very independently wealthy, I like the Scandinavian systems of government. They seem to give most of there citizens a fair deal ?

 

And yes sometimes the state has to force in order to ensure we don't have chaos. And that would include a person not resisting arrest

 

Also for the record since you seem defensive about it I have a very important question to ask you

 

" do you think Al-Qaeda committed 9/11 " ?

Edited December 8, 2014 by BruceVC

[Hurlshort]

 

 

 

Ms. Garner. This isn't a race issue. This is  a power issue with cops. There are plenty of times where cops kill white people. Hardly a big deal is made of it. Where was the protests then?  I've ehard nothing that suggest either officer in these last two cases are racist. ui have seen plenty of evidence they abuse their power and people make excuses for their deaths. Though, I'm inclined to side with the copper in the Brown case but the Garner case. This is slam dunk cold blooded murder.

 

I'm genuinely intrigued. Do you get drunk before these posts, or do they get you high in their own right?

 

 

Eric Garner was killed for not paying his protection money. He simply wasn't paying his dues. NYC government considers itself head of the cigarette cartel in the city, and killed this man while enforcing that cartel's position. One has to be intoxicated on koolaide to not see that for what it is.

 

 

I'd call it indoctrinated brainwashing rather than koolaid intoxication, as they're just thinking what they've been trained to think sine they were little kids if they don't see it for what it is, but you're 100% right on. Very few of us grow up in an environment where we are taught to question everything, including authority. On the contrary, one of the major purposes of public education is to teach people to mindlessly subject themselves to authority. The validity of the police and many other established institutions are not to be questioned.

 

The fact of the matter is, that if you don't question everything at some point, you're not truly thinking or truly aware of the world around you, you're in a box.

 

 

 Oddly enough it is actually in my curriculum, which is provided by the state of California to every public school teacher of Social Science, to teach critical thinking skills.  We are supposed to have students take look at texts and other sources with a critical eye and compare, contrast, and weigh against other evidence.  That is a staple of any good Social Science curriculum.  Here is Bloom's Taxonomy, which is what we are supposed to be applying in all facets of the classroom:

 

 

Now the problem here is it is very difficult to get students to do the bottom half of this chart.  Getting a group of 12-year olds to really reflect on law enforcement in the US, which is a journal prompt I did last week after we analyzed legal systems from Feudal Europe and Middle Eastern Shari'ah, as well as watched a few news clips, is not an easy thing to do.  It is like pulling teeth.

 

 

But yes, conspiracy!  Indoctrination!   

[Malcador]

Sounds like your students are too stupid to pick it up.

[HoonDing]

Tbh it's just bs anyway.

[Hurlshort]

Sounds like your students are too stupid to pick it up.

 

I wouldn't say that, I would say at the age of 12 very few students have the experience or perspective to really analyze and synthesize the world around them.  They lack context.  As you get older, it is much easier to do.  Unfortunately it is also more difficult to overcome the biases you have picked up.

 

Every year, out of about 170 students, I have a handful that have the potential to really question the world around them.  I try to nurture that.  But by the end of High School, there should be a much larger number of critical thinkers.

[Mr. Magniloquent]

 

 

Ms. Garner. This isn't a race issue. This is  a power issue with cops. There are plenty of times where cops kill white people. Hardly a big deal is made of it. Where was the protests then?  I've ehard nothing that suggest either officer in these last two cases are racist. ui have seen plenty of evidence they abuse their power and people make excuses for their deaths. Though, I'm inclined to side with the copper in the Brown case but the Garner case. This is slam dunk cold blooded murder.

I'm genuinely intrigued. Do you get drunk before these posts, or do they get you high in their own right?

 

 

Eric Garner was killed for not paying his protection money. He simply wasn't paying his dues. NYC government considers itself head of the cigarette cartel in the city, and killed this man while enforcing that cartel's position. One has to be intoxicated on koolaide to not see that for what it is.

 

I'm sorry but that's nonsense, Garner wasn't assassinated by the police for not paying protection money. You are starting to sound like Vals, next thing you will be expecting us to believe that 9/11 wasn't committed by Al-Qaeda

 

He died while resisting arrest, you do know that arresting arrest is illegal right?

 

See the video here.

 

NYC maintains that it has a monopoly on the sale of cigarettes. The "privilege" to participate in this monopoly comes with many costs, mostly notably the tax levied on their sale which much be collected and remitted to the government of NYC. Eric Garner was SUSPECTED OF competing with NYC's monopoly by selling cigarettes at a lower price by not adding the extortion surcharge, also known as protection money, or taxes. Eric Garner was incidentally murdered in process of the NYPD enforcing its cigarette racquet. If he hadn't been murdered, he would have been merely assaulted, kidnapped, then extorted through the "justice system" in enforcement of said cigarette racquet. The ultimate reason this scenario happened, is because he didn't pay his protection money. Plain and simple.

 

Is selling cigarettes illegal in NYC? No.

Is selling cigarettes without collecting/paying taxes illegal? Yes.

 

Ask yourself why that is.

Edited December 8, 2014 by Mr. Magniloquent

[Blarghagh]

Because of sales tax?

[Gfted1]

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Because of sales tax?

 

He was suspected of not paying protection money to his self-proclaimed masters. The NYPD ended up killing him in pursuit of it. Capiche? We are told that this is both Freedom and Civilization. Laugh if you want.

Edited December 8, 2014 by Mr. Magniloquent