Drama in indy gaming and games journalism

[HoonDing]

I thought Tara Strong was a p0rn star. Maybe I'm confusing with someone else.

[Blarghagh]

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Another thing regarding the validity of that The Verge article by that guy with no qualifications, education or factual observation via Erik Kain.

 

 

“The gamer is threatened by women who share his tastes, and calls them “fake geek girls,”" he writes, no matter that the “fake geek girls” article in question was written by a woman.

 

I think at this point, the lack of validity of that article is entirely unquestionable.

 

I am not sure what the original point behind quote is, but that article that is linked in the quote laments the fact that people dismiss girls in geekdom by using "fake geek girl" stereotype. Meaning that article's writer don't claim accuse anybody to be "fake geek girl", but instead ask people not to use such term as she feels that it's term used by elitist jerks. Although article refers to one article from Forbes written by one of their female contributors that has tittle that seems to attack girls that fake to be geeks, but even it is more general lament about fact that geeky things are in this days popular and accepted by society and people embrace term geek instead of be branded by it.

 

But anyway said article don't seems to be great for any point of view that quote reflects. EDIT: As article is about usage of term "fake geek girl" among comic book reader so it is weak reference for such thing happening in gaming circles. And I don't see why article that laments about people dismissing girls by using term "fake geek girl"  loses it significance just because it is written by a woman? 

 

 

I'm pretty sure Kain was referring to the article by Tara Tiger Strong piece. The article on The Verge links to this article as the support that Gamers, meaning white male misogynists, hate and revile women as Fake Geek Girls, yet the only source in this article that refers to fake geek girls in a negative manner is the Tara Tiger Strong piece about "Fake Geek Girls, Go Away", written by a woman.

 

 

Verge's article don't directly link on that article, but it links this article(that focuses on ranting about how bad "gamers" [what ever that means] behave), written by Peter Frase from Jacobin magazine that links to that mary sue article. Jacobin's article uses that Mary Sue article as reference about "gamers" (what ever that means) dismissing women by stereotyping them as "fake geek girls", in which as I previously pointed that particular Mary Sue article is quite weak reference as it focuses on comic book geeks and geek stereotypes in comic book circles, but it seems to reference article as whole not any particular piece of it (like for example that reference to Tara's article, which don't actually call anybody as fake geek, but instead seem to held notion that these days doors to geekdom are too wide open and geekdom should be more elitist society). Jacobin's article concludes that problems in withing gaming do actually have little to do with gaming itself and more with wider political agendas (right wing agendas more precisely  and capitalism (which make me think that Jacobin is probably  politically left leaning publication). Verge uses Jacobin's article to reference that Gamergate has right-wing flavor all over it ("there’s a reactionary right-wing flavor to all of Gamergate’s desperate yelling."). Verge's article has several references how gamergate is right-wing or conservative movement that opposes progressiveness.

 

So in short it was not Verge's article that referred to Mary Sue's article, but Jacobin's article, which used Mary Sue's article as example how male "gamers" call women "fake geek girls", even though Mary Sue's article is about usage of "Fake Geek Girl" term in comic book geekdom, Verge used Jacobin's article to refer how gamergate is actually about right-wing agenda and all three articles make my head hurt.

 

 

Now my head hurts.

 

Oh, I see where I went wrong. I mistakenly believed Kain meant the same article I did, but he had moved on to another. Wait... did he? I'm confused now.

Edited October 10, 2014 by TrueNeutral

[Longknife]

I thought Tara Strong was a p0rn star. Maybe I'm confusing with someone else.

 

 

I take my investigation of all sources and articles very seriously. I will be looking into the matter of whether or not Tara Strong is a p0rn star or not.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

 

I thought Tara Strong was a p0rn star. Maybe I'm confusing with someone else.

 

I take my investigation of all sources and articles very seriously. I will be looking into the matter of whether or not Tara Strong is a p0rn star or not.

I found a Tara Strong who does VA stuff and has fake bewbs. No pornstar though.

[pmp10]

Escapist finally posted second part of "Developers on #gamergate".

[Longknife]

Escapist finally posted second part of "Developers on #gamergate".

 

 

Now see, THESE are awesome, interesting and definitely worth respect. All of them provide insightful opinions and there's even a nice degree of spectrum within the opinions, from those who'd back GamerGate 100% to a guy who makes a very true statement about how in the end, this WAS all sparked by revenge porn, for better or worse.

 

It's nice to see some actual "discussion" and actually hear some opinions and voices from people within the industry itself. Even the developers are speaking out now while journalists continue to just pretend people are listening to the BS they keep preaching....

[Longknife]

Apparently Christina Sommers - the "conservative" feminist who came out in support of GamerGate - well her husband just died and she did a tweet where she thanked some GG supporters who sent flowers.

 

 

I will become sick to my stomache if this becomes a point of mudslinging... I don't think I could imagine your loved one and partner for life dying and becoming a target and point of discussion for such a stupid debate.

[kirottu]

Escapist finally posted second part of "Developers on #gamergate".

 

That was awesome(even with Greg Costikyan in it).

[Malcador]

Over the last decade, media were taken over by people who think that their ideals, opinions and way of life are superior to others and so they have the mission to tell others how to live, what to think and what to do. Those people have learned that there is a very easy way of manipulating others with guilt and fake goodwill. They will tell you that you should be ashamed, because you are privileged. You are white, you are healthy, you are rich and it's your fault that there are others who are not as lucky as you. So you must redeem those crimes by doing what those social justice warriors think will please those who are not privileged enough. And if you don't, they will jump on you and give you a hard time. Nobody wants to be called sexist, misogynistic, rape culture supporter, and everybody kind of agrees that it's great to help people who were not as lucky as them, so for some time this works.

Good on Vavra

 

Also, been a while since a Twitter laugh

 

https://twitter.com/upsettingshorts/status/520427336844333057

Edited October 10, 2014 by Malcador

[Longknife]

Also, been a while since a Twitter laugh

https://twitter.com/upsettingshorts/status/520427336844333057

 

 

 

He didn't draw a single ****ing parallel....

[kirottu]

Does this mean Ian "Little Hitler" Cheong is gonna join our side now? Please no. No. NO!

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Does this mean Ian "Little Hitler" Cheong is gonna join our side now? Please no. No. NO!

No, it means we will work for lil' Hitler until we are dissolved by him.

[Longknife]

Btw, check this out:

 

 

 

Just the intro sting to gaming journalists. I found that pretty boss.

[Malcador]

Nah, he means GGers are the SS, and believe it is not a hyperbolic statement. Well, it is a refreshing change from being compared to jihadis.

[Elerond]

Jim Sterling's had today quite lot to say about GG in the twitter

 

https://twitter.com/JimSterling

[Elerond]

Brianna Wu Head of Development at indie studio Giant Spacekat, says in her twitter that she got doxxed by 8chan/#gamergate and that she gets threats.

https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/520727151503757313

https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/520729046171529216

 

I don't think that threating and doxxing those that develop games will make gamers life any better, even if they are small time indie developers

[Malcador]

Man, I'd have called the RCMP every day back when I played CS.

[Orogun01]

I'm going to abstain until there's proof that was 8chan. 

Also, Brianna Who? What would make this relatively unknown person become the target of GG?

I can understand if they go after ZQ or Phil Fish but I don't know her from Adam.

But after a quick google search I remembered her Game "Revolution 60" it was the most atrocious PoS that ever graced the featured list on UDK website. One figures that it was mostly due to the same reason that it was financed. Their selling point was "developed by women".

 

Edit: Ok, after a quick look at 8chan I saw that it was indeed true as the moderator had linked to a tweet where he/she acknowledged that the info had been taken down. Although the threats made to her seem to be your usual garden variety internet ****. I don't see why she felt so threatened.

Edited October 11, 2014 by Orogun01

[Malcador]

Why aren't you listening and believing, Orogun.

Edited October 11, 2014 by Malcador

[Orogun01]

Why aren't you listening and believing, Orogun.

I am, apparently someone is arranging for people to show support by buying her game.

 

So now here's what I'm going to do

1. make a ****ty text based game (since it would be fast)
2. say that i've been doxxed
3. ????
4. Profit

[Malcador]

Well, it could work pretty well. Are you able to be victimized?

[Orogun01]

Well, it could work pretty well. Are you able to be victimized?

I might have to go trans

[BruceVC]

Wow you GG guys really have some intelligent and mature people representing your argument

 

Nice one guys, you must be really proud

[Orogun01]

Wow you GG guys really have some intelligent and mature people representing your argument

 

Nice one guys, you must be really proud

We also want to free hat

[Malcador]

Wow you GG guys really have some intelligent and mature people representing your argument

 

Nice one guys, you must be really proud

Well meshes will with the guilt wracked white guys on the other side. Pretty neat timing on this too, what with the pro-GG article from Escapist.

 

Ahh, social media.

Edited October 11, 2014 by Malcador