Are they even listening to our feedback?

[Uomoz]

How can you say that the random creatures in the wild area of poe are more boring than the ones in BG1. I mean, gibberling = xvart = gnolls = etc. There wasn't absolutely any difference in approaching 90% of the standard combats in BG1. O_o

 

EDIT: at least the beetles have some tactical POI (fear the poison)

Edited September 7, 2014 by Uomoz

[Sensuki]

I compared them directly against their creature types from the IE games - what's wrong with that? Why would you make a step backwards in creature design instead of a step foward ?

 

Pillars of Eternity has removed all of the 'trash mob' type humanoid races such as Orcs, Goblins, Kobolds etc except for Xaurips, which sound cool.

 

Icewind Dale 1 in general did much better than BG1 and IWD2 regarding creatures (but IWD2 made up for this with AI and scripting). BG2 had it's share of trash creatures and awesome++ creatures.

Edited September 7, 2014 by Sensuki

[Uomoz]

Still, even not assuming that there are more types of wolves, I disagree. The small sample of creatures in the beta have more varied stats and are definitely more interesting than most of the standard BG1 wildlife already.

[Sensuki]

I know how many types of Wolves there are because I've seen them all in the game files. I'd say *most* of the creature files are in the game files too. There's a few of them. Not as many as BG2 though obviously (which imported some from BG1).

Edited September 7, 2014 by Sensuki

[Shevek]

Why memorize more than one haste when you can just mash rest real quick and get it back?

 

Edit: Also, its pretty unfair to assume poe will have as much creature variety as the ie titles (bg1+2,iwd1+2,xpacs,pst). IE games and expansions got to that expansive creature list over many titles with several teams over years. If it matches BG1+totsc, then we are good.

Edited September 7, 2014 by Shevek

[Sensuki]

Not everyone plays that way. I play the full length of the adventuring day in the IE games - usually go until my characters get fatigued. You're given enough healing potions to do that, and you don't need to use spells in every encounter.

[Shevek]

Maybe not everyone does but many do rest spam. I am willing to say most folks zerg and rest spam the ie games. Until they die, then they metagame the tough encounter that killed them.

[Sarex]

Maybe not everyone does but many do rest spam. I am willing to say most folks zerg and rest spam the ie games. Until they die, then they metagame the tough encounter that killed them.

 

That's a pretty big statement there.

[Sensuki]

That type of play is not necessary in the IE games unless you are bad at the game IMO.

[Shevek]

Necessary? No. Possible and common? Yes. Experienced players who have replayed the entire IE catalogue a dozen times do not rest often but they are in the minority. When these games came out zerg+rest spam was common.

 

http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/18370/i-rest-after-every-battle

Edited September 7, 2014 by Shevek

[Monte Carlo]

We need to form some sort of special agency to police how others choose to play a non-competitive single player game.

[Tartantyco]

We need to form some sort of special agency to police how others choose to play a non-competitive single player game.

 

Because having players have to police themselves in order to get enjoyment out of the game is just great design.

[Sarex]

Because having players have to police themselves in order to get enjoyment out of the game is just great design.

 

I hope you realize how stupid that sounds.

[Tartantyco]

"I really want to play as class X, but it's overpowered due to bad design, so I guess I should just restrict myself to a smaller portion of the game content."

 

Great idea, Sarex.

[ManifestedISO]

Given enough healing potions ... I can't even buy enough healing potions. The Vale of Shadows, or whatever, at the beginning of IWD, literally has platoons of undead: skeletons, ghasts, ghouls, mummies, bone guardians ... and only one or two Cure Light Wounds potions per dungeon. My low-level four-person party--really two and a half, with a mage and thief in tow--is up to their necks in survival combat. Rest healing after clearing a dungeon is the only way, that I know of. It is really strange to see the time stamp: You Have Rested 35 Days, 16 Hours. 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

In the BGT games, I would usually rest after completing the map or dungeon. If the map was fairly light, I would continue on and kill more stuff.

 

I'm fine with the Stamina/Health system in principle, but the ratios need tweaking.

[Sarex]

"I really want to play as class X, but it's overpowered due to bad design, so I guess I should just restrict myself to a smaller portion of the game content."

 

Great idea, Sarex.

 

What was stupid about your statement is that you think that the player will police him self to enjoy the game. He will either play the game how he likes it and it will be fun for him, or he will drop it as soon as he realizes that it's boring to him.

[Sensuki]

People generally only abuse stuff in games if they can't win otherwise, I've found. Sure, there's people that cheese the curd out of everything though.

Edited September 7, 2014 by Sensuki

[Tartantyco]

 

"I really want to play as class X, but it's overpowered due to bad design, so I guess I should just restrict myself to a smaller portion of the game content."

 

Great idea, Sarex.

 

What was stupid about your statement is that you think that the player will police him self to enjoy the game. He will either play the game how he likes it and it will be fun for him, or he will drop it as soon as he realizes that it's boring to him.

 

 

You do realize that you're making my argument for me right now? If you have to "roleplay" around bad design, that is not a good thing. People will play the game the developers make, not "roleplay" the game that they want.

[Sarex]

You do realize that you're making my argument for me right now? If you have to "roleplay" around bad design, that is not a good thing. People will play the game the developers make, not "roleplay" the game that they want.

 

I have no idea how you think that anything I said is supporting your argument.

[Tartantyco]

 

You do realize that you're making my argument for me right now? If you have to "roleplay" around bad design, that is not a good thing. People will play the game the developers make, not "roleplay" the game that they want.

 

I have no idea how you think that anything I said is supporting your argument.

 

Well, you seem unable to follow the actual discussion so far, so that doesn't come as a surprise.

[Sarex]

Well, you seem unable to follow the actual discussion so far, so that doesn't come as a surprise.

 

That still doesn't explain how you connected having fun in a game with policing one self. I think you got lost in your own words.

[Dirtymohl]

Hi all! Long time listener first time caller

I would just like to say to those (OP) and others who are complaining about the devs not listening and or game at this point, that I would like you to please remember that as Beta Backers, Obsidian is asking you to be part of their team now to help them make this game everything they, and us have envisioned it to be! You are their 'external Quality Assurance officers.' You are a part of the team now, and as such the team require you to formulate intelligent, and informative feedback about any gameplay issues you encounter, any constructive ideas you think may be beneficial. They are extremely busy working to resolve issues, implement fixes all the while listening to your feedback, and if they have to take time reading unconstructive whinging, you have to appreciate then, that is taking time away from reading proper feedback from those that are trying to help, and therefore they could address and attempt to implement! Work with the team and the team will work with you! This game is still very much a work in progress, and you as Backers have been given a wonderful opportunity to help them make this game great!

[morhilane]

Given enough healing potions ... I can't even buy enough healing potions. The Vale of Shadows, or whatever, at the beginning of IWD, literally has platoons of undead: skeletons, ghasts, ghouls, mummies, bone guardians ... and only one or two Cure Light Wounds potions per dungeon. My low-level four-person party--really two and a half, with a mage and thief in tow--is up to their necks in survival combat. Rest healing after clearing a dungeon is the only way, that I know of. It is really strange to see the time stamp: You Have Rested 35 Days, 16 Hours. 

 

I hope you read the Kickstarter pitch carefully, their influence for encounters and combat space was IWD not BG1/BG2.

 

People keep on comparing PoE to BG1/BG2 combat-space-wise, when they really should take a good long look at IWD instead...

[Sensuki]

I can go through a dungeon level or two without resting in those games, so either way - something is still off.