To the Mysoginist Writer in Bioware

[Bester]

A girl I know basically wrote a letter to Gaider while talking to me on skype recounting her Bioware games experiences, so I'll just repost it here, it's an interesting perspective.

 

To the Mysoginist writer in Bioware.

1) BG2. Anomen is the only wimpy guy in the whole game. And he's the only one who is romancable NPC. He is super gay and to troll you even further, they gave you the possibility to make him "evil", which just makes him into an emo.
He's a 18 year old kid who is paladin and his only problem in life is that his parents are RICH and they don't want him to be a paladin. Wow, such issues!
He's not even remotely alpha, he's a paladin instead of a warrior. Keldorn is a million times more alpha, but he's MARRIED.

2) In NWN, guys could have 3 romances, but girls could only romance a BLACK GUY. So I kind of skipped that huh. When the Addon (SOU) came out, there was a guy who was extremely flirty and witty from the first line, sarcastic, evilish, half-orc, OMG SEXY, he would always say things like "HUH, You're like me, we make a NICE TEAM ;)". He would get upset if you say something bad, etc. Other NPCs would say "pick ME, let's destroy evil together", but he would say "No, she will pick ME, she knows I'm better than you losers". Well guess what, THERE WAS NO ROMANCE WITH THAT NPC.

3) Mass Effect 3. There are 5 human/human-looking romanceble super hot girls. AND JUST ONE HUMAN LOOKING GUY FOR GIRLS. And one GAY ONLY human guy. How is this FAIR?? Five-to-one, it's worse than Baldur's Gate 2. And then there's a romancable alien (Garrus) who looks worse than G'Kar from Babylon 5. I will put G'Kar on my desktop now. EIGTHY percent of the alien's romance is made of jokes about interracial intercourse, like "I went to see a doctor, I think we'll be able to do it". Then you actually GO to a doctor, and the doctor says "hey, just don't swallow, it may be poisonous". Wow.
When you start the game, you immediately meet 2 girls and 1 guy. Of course the 2 girls are romancable, the guy IS NOT. He flirts with you all the time, he is hotter than those girls combined, but NOT ROMANCABLE. He says "come see me in the lower decks" and you say "maybe i will". When you go there, you see the HOTTEST scene in the whole game. He's

. Then you do some sparring, he makes a tattoo just like YOURS, calls you Lola, writes you emails, gives you all his attention and vibes. When you ask if he's got anyone and he's like "NO!". Not romancable..... This is the equivalent of a girl that flirts with you, dances with you, gives you her number and then turns out she's sleeping with somebody else. Can you make an NPC like this for guys next time, Gaidar?

So anyway I worked out how this works exactly.

For men: if a guy meets a hot girl, she's almost 99% romancable. But if she's not romancable, she will not take any notice of any other guys.
For girls: if a girl meets a guy, 99% he's not romancable. He will be making comments about sex related things, flirting with you, but no romance.

This mysoginist writer can't possibly think that girls need wimpy guys and aliens. He even writes correct NPCs to troll you by making them not romancable. He obviously hates girls, he's ruining our game experience and gets away with this.

[Longknife]

 

2) In NWN, guys could have 3 romances, but girls could only romance a BLACK GUY.

 

 

Oh no she didn't!

[BruceVC]

A girl I know basically wrote a letter to Gaider while talking to me on skype recounting her Bioware games experiences, so I'll just repost it here, it's an interesting perspective.

 

To the Mysoginist writer in Bioware.

 

1) BG2. Anomen is the only wimpy guy in the whole game. And he's the only one who is romancable NPC. He is super gay and to troll you even further, they gave you the possibility to make him "evil", which just makes him into an emo.

He's a 18 year old kid who is paladin and his only problem in life is that his parents are RICH and they don't want him to be a paladin. Wow, such issues!

He's not even remotely alpha, he's a paladin instead of a warrior. Keldorn is a million times more alpha, but he's MARRIED.

 

2) In NWN, guys could have 3 romances, but girls could only romance a BLACK GUY. So I kind of skipped that huh. When the Addon (SOU) came out, there was a guy who was extremely flirty and witty from the first line, sarcastic, evilish, half-orc, OMG SEXY, he would always say things like "HUH, You're like me, we make a NICE TEAM ;)". He would get upset if you say something bad, etc. Other NPCs would say "pick ME, let's destroy evil together", but he would say "No, she will pick ME, she knows I'm better than you losers". Well guess what, THERE WAS NO ROMANCE WITH THAT NPC.

 

3) Mass Effect 3. There are 5 human/human-looking romanceble super hot girls. AND JUST ONE HUMAN LOOKING GUY FOR GIRLS. And one GAY ONLY human guy. How is this FAIR?? Five-to-one, it's worse than Baldur's Gate 2. And then there's a romancable alien (Garrus) who looks worse than G'Kar from Babylon 5. I will put G'Kar on my desktop now. EIGTHY percent of the alien's romance is made of jokes about interracial intercourse, like "I went to see a doctor, I think we'll be able to do it". Then you actually GO to a doctor, and the doctor says "hey, just don't swallow, it may be poisonous". Wow.

When you start the game, you immediately meet 2 girls and 1 guy. Of course the 2 girls are romancable, the guy IS NOT. He flirts with you all the time, he is hotter than those girls combined, but NOT ROMANCABLE. He says "come see me in the lower decks" and you say "maybe i will". When you go there, you see the HOTTEST scene in the whole game. He's

. Then you do some sparring, he makes a tattoo just like YOURS, calls you Lola, writes you emails, gives you all his attention and vibes. When you ask if he's got anyone and he's like "NO!". Not romancable..... This is the equivalent of a girl that flirts with you, dances with you, gives you her number and then turns out she's sleeping with somebody else. Can you make an NPC like this for guys next time, Gaidar?

 

So anyway I worked out how this works exactly.

 

For men: if a guy meets a hot girl, she's almost 99% romancable. But if she's not romancable, she will not take any notice of any other guys.

For girls: if a girl meets a guy, 99% he's not romancable. He will be making comments about sex related things, flirting with you, but no romance.

 

This mysoginist writer can't possibly think that girls need wimpy guys and aliens. He even writes correct NPCs to troll you by making them not romancable. He obviously hates girls, he's ruining our game experience and gets away with this.

 

I thought you didn't like Romance options in RPG? Why the outrage?

[sorophx]

this is brilliant. instant bookmark 

 

also, since we're on the topic of BG2 and Anomen.

 

I usually replay games with a female character, if there's such an option, to see if there's any extra content for that character. so, I'm replaying BG2, made a female fighter with Viconia's face and 18/90 STR. so she's basically a badass, kind of like Xena only hotter and Lawful Evil. so I'm trying to roleplay her as this amazon with a bad attitude and a twisted sense of justice. if someone talks **** to her, she will get into a fight and murder the bastard just to make a point. otherwise she's pretty docile, but will not pass up on an opportunity to kick ass. 

 

so I'm off to D'Arnise Keep and I needed extra healing, since Aerie sucks ass as a cleric. so I enter the Copper Coronet and there's this weak looking guy who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, goes by the name of Anomen and is a cleric. signed him up for some righteous ass-kicking, but the retard keeps initiating stupid conversations with my char. 

 

now it makes sense: he's a romanceable character. but, man, there are no lines in dialogues with him, that would suit the type of character I'm playing as. it's either, "STFU, stupid", "you're so hot I can barely stay in my panties amazon equivalent of underwear", or "I'm not listening, la la la la la". there was ONE witty line with a sarcastic tone, and only available after he had expressed doubts in the actuality of events from BG1 ("you didn't stop a war all by yourself, that's impossible, you're just a woman.")

 

so you say Gaider wrote that ****? **** him

Edited July 1, 2014 by sorophx

[aluminiumtrioxid]

2/10, definitely would not get trolled again.

[Volourn]

L0L Epic troll post. L0L

[Judicator]

 

 

This is the equivalent of a girl that flirts with you, dances with you, gives you her number and then turns out she's sleeping with somebody else.

That happened to me once.

Also, Anomen's not a paladin and he's not a wimp. He is a **** though.

[Qistina]

In KotOR

- darkside female Revan have to kill Carth while darkside male Revan can rule the galaxy with Bastila

 

In Dragon Age,

-Female Cousland must allow Alistair to have sex with Morrigan before can become the queen. But Male Cousland can have sex with Morrigan and then become the king married with Anora

-non human female will be dumped by Alistair in the end

-the only alternative romanceable male is a bisexual assasin elf

-female dwarf don't have own species to romance with

-Female dwarf noble got dumped by Gorim just in few weeks(?) while male dwraf noble can have sex with some female dwarf and having baby

 

In Dragon Age 2

- Anders is a bisexual super whiny Templar hating abomination terrorist

- Fenris is a bisexual super whiny Mage hating weird tattooed freak elf slave

 

So yeah...

Edited July 1, 2014 by Qistina

[sorophx]

I don't think it's worth wasting time analyzing romances in Bioware game, because said romances are written on the level of pulp fiction. that's why they're so popular: a lot of people have never read actual literature, and their only experience of romance is South American soap operas and ****ty paper-cover books

[Monte Carlo]

Man I love this forum.

[Gromnir]

am thinking gaider recognized that he hadn't managed to create a romance option for women that had broad appeal when he penned anomen. that is one reason he were so active with the Ladies of Neverwinter and their site. you ain't gonna get an argument from gaider that anomen were fantabulous... other than the typical writer knee-jerk kinda thing whenever somebody mindlessly flames your stuff.

 

is also worth noting that if bester's woman acquaintance wants to be taken seriously, then suggesting black doesn't count is not the bestest option. sure, the lady's racism does not diminish the potential validity o' a claim o' misogyny, but it comes off as hypocritical nevertheless. we also had a difficult time following the nwn complaints.

 

mass effect 3 musta played different for different folks... somehow. now, there were many games that bio released between nwn and me3, so am guessing those didn't support the main thesis-- we don't know as we purposeful avoid bio romances. nevertheless, to have so many games not mentioned is noteworthy in itself. regardless, as to me3, am not recalling as many joiables as does bester's friend. again, we so rare pay attention to romances, so we needed to go to the wiki for me3 to even recollect all the party npcs

 

Kaidan Alenko 

Tali'Zorah vas Normandy 

Liara T'Soni

Garrus Vakarian 

James Vega

Ashley Williams 

Javik 

EDI

 

edi were a joker romance, so even the no doubt vocal lesbian robot sex crowd were likely disappointed (only for a bio game does we need make such an observation.) javik were the angry alien and part of dlc. he had kinda a stereotypical "black" accent too, so no doubt bester's friend woulda' been uninterested even if he weren't visually alien. leaves six companions: 3 male, 2 female, and 1 blue thing that looks female but isn't. bester's girl could get sexed-up by two o' the three males and the blue thing... if that were her desire. male shephards could have ugly digital sex with the two female companions and the blue thing. am not sure o' the same-sex couplings, but bester's pal didn't mention them either, sooooo...

 

*shrug*

 

sounds even to us. am guessing you could have somewhat abbreviated libidinous relations with previous companions that make appearances in me3. yes? jack and miranda?  wouldn't thane be a similar option?  we didn't explore, but seems doubtful that bio would pass up potential sex with a sad and dying guy? if tali gets counted as a woman, then thane and garrus should counts as male, yes?

 

...

 

regardless, we responded serious to a silly post. any more than this would be criminal.

 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited July 1, 2014 by Gromnir

[kirottu]

Man I love this forum.

But is the forum he or she?

[Monte Carlo]

I'm kinda pansexual when it comes to this forum.

[Tale]

I'm kinda pansexual when it comes to this forum.

Cast iron or teflon coated?

[Bester]

This post is going to be a boring clarification of obvious things, that are unobvious only to our orc friend here, so please skip it unless you name is Gromnir.

 

@Gromnir

>the lady's racism

>comes off as hypocritical

>he had kinda a stereotypical "black" accent too, so no doubt bester's friend woulda' been uninterested

 

Your whole post sounds like it's been completely sponsored by the fact that you're a black person and you got offended, so let me disillusion you even further. Most women don't go outside their age and race group when looking for a partner. Well, race is vague in this context, so let me clarify. This is my approximations, but anyway: 100% white females would go for a white or white-ish (spanish, italian) male, 60% would also go for arabs and turks, 40% would also go for asian males, and only 20% would also go for blacks. Hence her disappointment. A black romanceable NPC is so outside everyone's type that it's basically like offering a 70 year old frail NPC as a romanceable guy. It simply doesn't suit everyone. That's how things are in Europe anyway, and it's not called racism, my black friend. Black women also almost never go out with white guys. Does it actually mean that black women are all racists, then? Aggressively putting "racism" tags on everything you personally dislike certainly doesn't benefit your minority groups. I would stop doing it if I were you.

 

 

> now, there were many games that bio released between nwn and me3, so am guessing those didn't support the main thesis

 

Wrong guess. She didn't play other bio games because she was disappointed in BG2 and NWN, and promised never to play bio games again. Now a few days ago she snapped and played ME3. Now she's blaming herself for walking into that same trap again.

 

 

>javik were the angry alien and part of dlc.

 

We're talking about romance, not a one night stand that has no implications whatsoever.

 

 

>leaves six companions: 3 male

 

Two of which are ALIEN, and one "Anomen". Thanks, bio.

Edited July 1, 2014 by Bester

[Gromnir]

"Most women don't go outside their age and race group when looking for a partner. Well, race is vague in this context, so let me clarify. This is my approximations, but anyway: 100% white females would go for a white or white-ish (spanish, italian) male, 60% would also go for arabs and turks, 40% would also go for asian males, and only 20% would also go for blacks. Hence her disappointment. A black romanceable NPC is so outside everyone's type that it's basically like offering a 70 year old frail NPC as a romanceable guy."

 

that were hilarious. do it s'more. honestly. try to makes yourself look like a bigger yutz. we dare you. 

 

and Gromnir ain't black. sooo...

 

*shrug*

 

there goes that theory.

 

as to interracial romance, particularly in a game with inter-species romance, the comments seem at least odd and arguable racist. your friend seems willing to lump aliens o' various species in to bolster male hetero sex options, but black, which is clear more human than the calamari heads and hazmat suit girl, is distinguished?  dig your hole Deeper. please. did you even think before posting?

 

"Two of which are ALIEN, and one "Anomen". Thanks, bio."

 

and of the two female companions, one is alien and one ashley. we read the complains 'bout anomen from racist girl, and alenko is not a lonely rich kid whose biggest problem is that his parents want him to be a paladin. am not thinking there is an option to make him evil neither, so other than the fact that he is a white guy, we don't see how she is drawing such close comparisons to anomen. soooo... 

 

btw, the only way you get five female romances from a male sheppard that is "not a one night stand that has no implications whatsoever," is if you has played me2... so am gonna call bs. your "friend" is doing totals based on previous me games played, but you now claim "she" hasn't. sound like bs.

 

as an aside, 'cause we typical avoid crude, but is clear that your woman friend could use the bioware style "love" o' a black man... or perhaps two.  

 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited July 1, 2014 by Gromnir

[Gizmo]

This is my approximations, but anyway: 100% white females would go for a white or white-ish (spanish, italian) male, 60% would also go for arabs and turks, 40% would also go for asian males, and only 20% would also go for blacks. Hence her disappointment. A black romanceable NPC is so outside everyone's type that it's basically like offering a 70 year old frail NPC as a romanceable guy.

I've heard that 92.85% of all percentile statistics ~used in forums~ are made up on the fly.  

 

I admit to being baffled as to why anyone cares about this. It was just as annoying in 'Treasure of the Savage Frontier' as in BG 1 & 2, and anything since.

 

that were hilarious. do it s'more. honestly. try to makes yourself look like a bigger yutz. we dare you.

My thoughts on it, but better put. Edited July 1, 2014 by Gizmo

[Sofaking]

 I suggest you tell your friend not to send this letter. She is a massive idiot if she thinks her racist homophobic rant is even going to be taken seriously when the point is "don't be a misogynist."

[Bester]

>and of the two female companions

 

Relevancy? She's not homo.

 

>so am gonna call bs. your "friend" is doing totals based on previous me games played, but you now claim "she" hasn't. sound like bs.

 

She's read the wiki, simple as that, Sherlock.

 

> am not thinking there is an option to make him evil neither, so other than the fact that he is a white guy, we don't see how she is drawing such close comparisons to anomen

 

He's bisexual and Anomen is gayish. They're very much alike.

 

 

Also, did you know that the black guy from ME2 can't be your boyfriend in ME3 because he's got tired of waiting and started cheating with someone else, then found himself another woman and got a kid with her? I mean don't we get enough of this **** in real life? xD

Did you know that the other romantic interest DIES? Just read it and can't stop laughing. Gaider really hates on women.

Edited July 1, 2014 by Bester

[Bester]

 I suggest you tell your friend not to send this letter. She is a massive idiot if she thinks her racist homophobic rant is even going to be taken seriously when the point is "don't be a misogynist."

Not everyone lives in multi-ethnic societies. It's very weird for people from mono-ethnic societies to have romances with people from other cultures and ethnicities. People in America mingle a lot, so a black guy and an asian woman can have the same background. But it doesn't apply to all countries. Not going to call you a massive idiot, though, cause that's just not a correct way of having a dialogue.

 

Also, can you truly say that all your white friends want a black girl just as much as they want a white girl? Just answer this in your mind and leave it at that.

[Sofaking]

 

 I suggest you tell your friend not to send this letter. She is a massive idiot if she thinks her racist homophobic rant is even going to be taken seriously when the point is "don't be a misogynist."

Not everyone lives in multi-ethnic societies. It's very weird for people from mono-ethnic societies to have romances with people from other cultures and ethnicities. People in America mingle a lot, so a black guy and an asian woman can have the same background. But it doesn't apply to all countries. Not going to call you a massive idiot, though, cause that's just not a correct way of having a dialogue.

 

Also, can you truly say that all your white friends want a black girl just as much as they want a white girl? Just answer this in your mind and leave it at that.

 

 

Is this Troll Tuesday or something? Look,

"So I kind of skipped that huh. When the Addon (SOU) came out, there was a guy who was extremely flirty and witty from the first line, sarcastic, evilish, half-orc, OMG SEXY, he would always say things like "HUH, You're like me, we make a NICE TEAM ;)"

 

So a green bucktooth half-orc is sexy but a BLACK GUY is just unacceptable. I mean, isn't it quite clear your fiend views black people as sub human when a literal half human is viewed as more attractive than THE BLACK GUY.

 

Edit:

"Also, can you truly say that all your white friends want a black girl just as much as they want a white girl? Just answer this in your mind and leave it at that."

 

To answer your question my friends would most likely find a black woman more attractive than a half orc woman, because you know, they aren't racist pieces of ****.

Edited July 1, 2014 by Sofaking

[Gromnir]

>and of the two female companions

 

Relevancy? She's not homo.

 

>so am gonna call bs. your "friend" is doing totals based on previous me games played, but you now claim "she" hasn't. sound like bs.

 

She's read the wiki, simple as that, Sherlock.

 

> am not thinking there is an option to make him evil neither, so other than the fact that he is a white guy, we don't see how she is drawing such close comparisons to anomen

 

He's bisexual and Anomen is gayish. They're very much alike.

 

 

Also, did you know that the black guy from ME2 can't be your boyfriend in ME3 because he's got tired of waiting and found himself another woman and got a kid with her? I mean don't we get enough of this **** in real life? xD

Did you know that the other romantic interest DIES? Just read it and can't stop laughing. Gaider really hates on women.

relevancy?  misogyny is the contempt for women, yes?  somehow the existence o' one lone human companion were evidence o' mysoginy... am still trying to figure that out. me 3 offers one human female companion. relevance found. 'course is only relevant if your "friends" utter ridiculous notions is relevant. seriously can gives us a headache.

 

as to wiki

 

*chuckle*

 

so she is complaining 'bout romances not available to her? fine, then that again puts thane back into the mix. and without wiki we effective have same alien:human ratio for romances. and round we go. seriously. read or reread your posts before hitting "post." will save loads of time.

 

"He's bisexual and Anomen is gayish. They're very much alike."

 

so, racist and homophobic? there mere existence o' a possible same-sex relationship makes a hetero relationship unpalatable?  ashley is the one human female may also have a same-sex relationship. so your racist girlfriend (friend who is a girl, not necessarily suggesting you is romantic involved,) is having same treatment as male players. no misogyny found.  am not sure what the relevance o' anomen being "gayish"? simple grammar fausx pas we expect. you suggest that anomen and alenko is similarly "gayish" yes? is that the technical term-- "gayish"? this is getting good. please indulge and describe how me 3 alenko is particularly "gayish."  oh, sure, any joinable npc could be given such a label, but after your wonderful race % contribution we really wanna see you define the gayishness o' alenko. will no doubt be fascinating.

 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited July 1, 2014 by Gromnir

[Orogun01]

This thread has made me chuckle.

[Bester]

So a green bucktooth half-orc 

 

 

 

Now look who's being racist.

[nipsen]

....

playing games for years

never saw any of this

really just as well.