Valsuelm Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 More info: http://time.com/101418/fcc-fast-lane-net-neutrality/ 2 "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samm Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Bad rap in the intro, but good and highly important content. They're right about the average user however, and this Wheeler guy with his "Open" internet claims will convince some others. It's just another step into an online future that began looking very bleak with everyone on earth being treated as profitable data, more recently a suspect and now soon as member of a social class. Citizen of a country with a racist, hypocritical majority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mor Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 previous thread: http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/52825-net-neutrality/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oerwinde Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 1 The area between the balls and the butt is a hotbed of terrorist activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mor Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 (edited) ^most meddlesome middlemen, huh ?! the idea that customers pay more for higher quality service isn't new e.g. postal service charges customers more to deliver time sensitive packages overnight than normal two/three days delivery, same goes for the internet the idea that business pay extra for guaranteed connectivity, QoS (security, support etc) is common practice.. even you pay for better speed\data packages. Anyway, as before I see no problem what so ever with the new law, in fact IMO its a necessary and welcome step to ensure QoS, after all we passed the internet "porn phase", no ones pays for high bandwidth to watch HQ porn today the same infrastructure delivers internet\tv\phone\etc to our homes and to many business and we expect a certain QoS. ( At least it would be here, but since this is really a USA think all I can say from previous discussion is that the problem is really with your lack of competition in the infrastructure\internet provider market ) Edited May 25, 2014 by Mor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted May 26, 2014 Share Posted May 26, 2014 ^Of course not. But that is not the issue. The issue is the control of information masked as a technological one. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azdeus Posted May 27, 2014 Share Posted May 27, 2014 ^most meddlesome middlemen, huh ?! the idea that customers pay more for higher quality service isn't new e.g. postal service charges customers more to deliver time sensitive packages overnight than normal two/three days delivery, same goes for the internet the idea that business pay extra for guaranteed connectivity, QoS (security, support etc) is common practice.. even you pay for better speed\data packages. Anyway, as before I see no problem what so ever with the new law, in fact IMO its a necessary and welcome step to ensure QoS, after all we passed the internet "porn phase", no ones pays for high bandwidth to watch HQ porn today the same infrastructure delivers internet\tv\phone\etc to our homes and to many business and we expect a certain QoS. ( At least it would be here, but since this is really a USA think all I can say from previous discussion is that the problem is really with your lack of competition in the infrastructure\internet provider market ) I'm sure that you will have a problem when your ISP - that also happens to have a stake in a cable TV company - extorts money from Netflix/Youtube or you to provide more than 5kB/s of traffic to them on your 100Mbit line. Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirottu Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 8 This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elerond Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 I would not like to be that government worker who has to read all those comments and revise them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosbjerg Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Was about to post that, perfect haha Fortune favors the bald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadySands Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/26/technology/fcc-rules-net-neutrality/index.html Edited February 26, 2015 by ShadySands 1 Free games updated 3/4/21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 So my internet service providers can't discriminate sites I visit? "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 People are cray cray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighter Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I'm still kind of confused about what this is. Was this only going to affect America or everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I'm still kind of confused about what this is. Was this only going to affect America or everyone? Near as I can tell, it requires American ISPs to not discriminate against net traffic,.like slowing down speed to certain sites. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) So the FCC voted to make it a utility, right? So they kept net neutrality? Because if so America is lucky and the rest of the world is less likely to to change it too. Edited February 26, 2015 by TrueNeutral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadySands Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 (edited) I'm still kind of confused about what this is. Was this only going to affect America or everyone? I don't think it has any direct effects internationally. Most of the global arguments I've seen are more about precedent and influencing other countries Edited February 26, 2015 by ShadySands Free games updated 3/4/21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 This is much ado about nothing at the moment but it can (and probably will) be a segue into more sinister things. My two biggest problems with it are 1) It is NOT needed. It is a solution in search of a problem. 2) It was done in secret, by an agency that is not accountable to anyone that refused to even talk to congress about it. That bit about tyranny might sound a little looney but there is more than a grain of truth in it. 2 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) I LOVE Verzion's response to this pile of BS: For those not familiar with old technology that is morse code. It was the preferred method of communication when the law that now governs internet traffic was written. Edited February 27, 2015 by Guard Dog 1 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valsuelm Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) I LOVE Verzion's response to this pile of BS: For those not familiar with old technology that is morse code. It was the preferred method of communication when the law that now governs internet traffic was written. While I agree that the 'net neutrality' rules as adopted by the FCC is likely a giant pile of BS (I haven't yet had a chance to read the 300+ pages of new regulations, though I'll be amazingly and pleasantly surprised if they are anything but BS), Morse code wasn't the preferred method of communication between most people in the 1930s in the US. The telephone was, and had been for decades at that point. By the 1930s the telephone was in very wide use, and in fact had been in millions of homes prior to 1910. In the 1930s Morse code was primarily used by aviators, the military, and telegram services at the time. The latter in many ways being the precursor to the fax machine, and also something that the Average Joe need not know (if one wanted to send a telegram one generally wrote the note out in plain language and it would be translated into Morse by a professional telegrapher), Morse code was invented in the 1830s, not the 1930s. Verizon is playing the propaganda game, and I guarantee you they are not on the side of good when it comes to the 'net neutrality' debate. The Communications of 1934 that Verizon is referring to isn't near as archaic as they are attempting to portray. Much of what that act encompasses and states is very relevant today, much of it was actually repealed and updated in the 1990s, and there have been other communication laws and regulations implemented and repealed through the years since 1934. Note that I'm not defending the Communications Act of 1934, as like so much else that FDR's administration was responsible for it is very arguably a massive overreach of Federal powers in many ways. I'm just pointing out that Verizon in no way is representing the situation factually, fairly, or objectively. They have a lot of skin in the game. Billions of dollars worth of skin. Edited February 27, 2015 by Valsuelm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Didn't millions of people petition for net neutrality, while a bunch of big corporations spent millions trying to strike it down? I get being concerned about big government, but I'm plenty concerned about the practices of Comcast as well. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Didn't millions of people petition for net neutrality, while a bunch of big corporations spent millions trying to strike it down? I get being concerned about big government, but I'm plenty concerned about the practices of Comcast as well. Those were all paid shills of the Zionist World League. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoch Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Didn't millions of people petition for net neutrality, while a bunch of big corporations spent millions trying to strike it down? I get being concerned about big government, but I'm plenty concerned about the practices of Comcast as well. It wasn't just David v. Goliath-- more like David picking a side in a brawl between a bunch of Goliaths. The ISP-types were against it, but the big companies on the content side were for neutrality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 I'm neutral on net neutrality. We'll see how it pans out. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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