Zoraptor Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 RPGCodex has its top 50 list of RPGs up. Mainly interesting as it's the anti-IGN/ Gamespot list and because a lot of stats are provided, even if there are some oddities like having a JRPG at #1 and their 2009 RPG of the year being rated far lower than you'd expect. 2
Tigranes Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 You can thank me for Alpha Protocol taking its rightful place in the pantheon. It's a very good list in terms of "RPGs you should check out if you missed them". 2 Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress)
LadyCrimson Posted February 7, 2014 Author Posted February 7, 2014 I think I've played (or partially played) only about 8-10 on that list. "Serious" story cRPG's were never my biggest obsession, especially in the early days. I did find it interesting that they put Kotor2 over Kotor1. I always had the impression the latter was more popular. “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts
Zoraptor Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 I don't own 8 of them though I haven't got around to playing a fair few of those I do own; so it's very much my kind of list. If I didn't include freeware titles like Daggerfall and Betrayal at Krondor I wouldn't own 6- FONV (have played it on console though), Dark Souls, Knight of the Chalice, QfG Shadows of Darkness, Geneforge, Pools of Darkness.
Keyrock Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 I've actually played the vast majority of those titles. RFK Jr 2024 "Any organization created out of fear must create fear to survive." - Bill Hicks
alanschu Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 Ultima VII's place is a crime! A CRIIIIIIIIIME! <ahem> 3
Humanoid Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 The existence of GOG has kind of killed ownership of the games as a viable metric for me. For the majority I can say that I bought them because they were on sale with no intention of ever playing them. So restricting myself to those for which I own boxed copies, *and* were purchases when still relevant (as opposed to collecting for historical purposes), I've got 29 of the games, I've 'meaningfully' (by which I mean more than just messing about for an hour or so) played 18, and finished 7. But yeah, if I count stuff on GOG, in random compilations or random CDs I've bought second hand for the hell of it, I can say I have access to 47 of the 50 - exclusions being Dark Souls, Knights of the Chalice (only one I've never heard of), and Geneforge. L I E S T R O N GL I V E W R O N G
BruceVC Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) RPGCodex has its top 50 list of RPGs up. Mainly interesting as it's the anti-IGN/ Gamespot list and because a lot of stats are provided, even if there are some oddities like having a JRPG at #1 and their 2009 RPG of the year being rated far lower than you'd expect. Wow that's interesting list but I see a major flaw that I think RPGCodex needs to rectify. I don't see BG2 : Throne of Bhaal on the list, this doesn't make sense that its not in the top 70 RPG list. Obviously someone missed the votes on this one EDIT: Unless it considered part of BG2 : Shadows of Amn? Edited February 7, 2014 by BruceVC "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Humanoid Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 MoTB is listed instead of NWN2 there, so I'd guess the rules might be to include the best release of a particular game, yeah. Black Gate and Serpent Isle are both there, but not quite the same thing. I think the most notable omission is The Sims 2, for what it's worth. 1 L I E S T R O N GL I V E W R O N G
Zoraptor Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) NWN2 vanilla is listed as well as MOTB, I think... yes, #61, on the additional list. I presume Throne of Bhaal isn't there because either it was rolled into SoA in people's minds (it's been impossible to buy them separately for ages, after all, and all digital versions include the Xpac) or simply because it isn't considered particularly good. Edited February 7, 2014 by Zoraptor
BruceVC Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 it isn't considered particularly good. I will say unequivocally out of all the comments you've ever made that's the one I disagree with the most, anyone who thinks BG: TOB is a bad game isn't worthy to discuss RPG at all !!! 2 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
IndiraLightfoot Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) Thanks for the list, Zoraptor! I don't agree with the list in details, but in general, it sums up great games. Would I have to rank them and sort among CRPGs, I'd still leave out games that I don't really qualify as RPGs full on. I love the MIght & Magic series, and Ultima Underworld, and Dungeon Master, ToEE and even the IWDs, but are they true CRPGs? Only in part, I reckon, but they are still darn good at times. Here's my top 10-list, inspired by their top 71-list, and on the fly (I used the last list as their reference, under the spoiler tag - their place within brackets): # Game1 Planescape: Torment (1)2 Neverwinter Nights 2 - Mask of the Betrayer (12) 3 Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn (4)4 Baldur's Gate (17)5 Ultima VII: The Black Gate (33)6 Neverwinter Nights 2 (61)7 System Shock 2 (22)8 Fallout: New Vegas ( 8 )9 Dark Sun: Shattered Lands (31)10 Dragon Age: Origins (33) Edited February 7, 2014 by IndiraLightfoot 1 *** "The words of someone who feels ever more the ent among saplings when playing CRPGs" ***
BruceVC Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 Thanks for the list, Zoraptor! I don't agree with the list in details, but in general, it sums up great games. Would I have to rank them and sort among CRPGs, I'd still leave out games that I don't really qualify as RPGs full on. I love the MIght & Magic series, and Ultima Underworld, and Dungeon Master, ToEE and even the IWDs, but are they true CRPGs? Only in part, I reckon, but they are still darn good at times. Here's my top 10-list, inspired by their top 71-list, and on the fly (I used the last list as their reference, under the spoiler tag - their place within brackets): # Game 1 Planescape: Torment (1) 2 Neverwinter Nights 2 - Mask of the Betrayer (12) 3 Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn (4) 4 Baldur's Gate (17) 5 Ultima VII: The Black Gate (33) 6 Neverwinter Nights 2 (61) 7 System Shock 2 (22) 8 Fallout: New Vegas ( 8 ) 9 Dark Sun: Shattered Lands (31) 10 Dragon Age: Origins (33) I like your list, I'm going to think about my one and post later "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Sarex Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) My top 10 based on their list is: 1)Icewind Dale 2 2)Baldur's Gate 2 3)K.O.T.O.R. 2 4)K.O.T.O.R. 5)Dragon Age 6)Baldur's Gate 7)Mass Effect 8)Deus Ex: Human Revolution 9)Neverwinter Nights 2 10)Planscape: Torment Edited February 7, 2014 by Sarex "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP
sorophx Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 I don't agree on two points: PST is not the best game on that list, and they don't have a single Final Fantasy game Walsingham said: I was struggling to understand ths until I noticed you are from Finland. And having been educated solely by mkreku in this respect I am convinced that Finland essentially IS the wh40k universe.
BruceVC Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 I don't agree on two points: PST is not the best game on that list, and they don't have a single Final Fantasy game So......don't leave us hanging. What is the best game on the list in your opinion? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
melkathi Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 I don't agree on two points: PST is not the best game on that list, and they don't have a single Final Fantasy game Do they have any jrpg? Unobtrusively informing you about my new ebook (which you should feel free to read and shower with praise).
Nonek Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) How sad that the Ultima's and Betrayal at Krondor are held in so little regard, fantastic games, though it's nice to see the Underworld's included. Labyrinth of Worlds was an amazing experience, so much content throughout the worlds linked by the crystal. I'll always remember the story of Praecor Loth. Edit: That Codex forum is an...interesting place isn't it? Edited February 7, 2014 by Nonek 2 Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin. Tea for the teapot!
Humanoid Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) So we're doing this thing huh. I omit strict numbers because the order in itself is already pretty fluid, they're only vaguely ranked. The Black Gate + Serpent Isle - I'm cheating to give myself more room in this list. Fallout 2 - Controversy! But I played it first and regardless of story it just plays better, The Sims 2 - If JA2 belongs on a list of RPGs, so does this game. Fallout New Vegas - Tolerated mechanically to get to the wonderful game beneath. Fallout - With a caveat in that I've never finished it. Got probably 90%+ through but the end fights were too tough for my underlevelled character Baldur's Gate 2 - A bit of an odd one, I enjoyed my time with it, but the mechanics are such that I'll probably never have the urge to replay it for the rest of my life. Which is something unique to this list. The Witcher 2 - see Fallout New Vegas VtM:Bloodlines - Docked two-thirds of its points because it's two thirds of a game. Would probably be top three otherwise. Jagged Alliance 2 - Frankly I think it's less of an RPG than many other games omitted from the list, but let's roll with it. In terms of it as a game alone, yeah, I can go with it in this position. The "what is this game doing in any best-of list?" special award: Ultima 8 - Yep, I played this before U7. And as poorly received as it was, it has a special place in my gaming history. Ironically, being panned as a game with far too much focus on unwieldy combat and losing the charm of its predecessors, it's perhaps the game that showed me how much fun a game could be without those elements. I could spend hours just messing around in the game's only city, talking to people and messing with their stuff. Also Crusader would not have existed without this game. I suppose it's sort of an RPG: Sid Meier's Pirates! (I think the Gold remake was the one I mainly played) Notable omissions: Planescape: Torment - "What the hell?" some of you might ask me? I kind of screwed this game up for myself by playing a a third of it or so years and years ago, and struggle to come back because I really don't want to play that segment again. Baldur's Gate - Another case of playing the sequel first, but this time it resulted in the first game experience being flat out terrible. Just could not even begin to get into it. At all. Mask of the Betrayer - I tried to play as a rogue and got my face smashed in. If only it weren't a DnD game.... Darklands - Played long after its release after acquiring a near-new copy on eBay. 0/10 for combat, 10/10 otherwise, made for a game just tiresome to play. KoTOR (either of them) - Competent games set in a setting I abhor. Spoilered just to reduce clutter and for plausible deniability for taking the thread off-topic. Edited February 7, 2014 by Humanoid 1 L I E S T R O N GL I V E W R O N G
Sarex Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 KoTOR (either of them) - Competent games set in a setting I abhor. HERESY!!! "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP
Rosbjerg Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 Please make a separate thread (or necro post) for lists of favorite games 1 Fortune favors the bald.
IndiraLightfoot Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 Please make a separate thread (or necro post) for lists of favorite games All done, sir! 1 *** "The words of someone who feels ever more the ent among saplings when playing CRPGs" ***
HoonDing Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 I don't agree on two points: PST is not the best game on that list, and they don't have a single Final Fantasy game Do they have any jrpg? PS:T. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
marelooke Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) I am, of course, referring to War of the Overworld which aims to replicate the Dungeon Keeper (mostly 1, with the non-sucky bits of 2 added) gameplay. They lost the rights to the Dungeon Keeper franchise due to that pathetic excuse of a game above or this would have been Dungeon Keeper 3. What? They never had the rights in the first place. It was a fan-made sequel until they decided to become legit developers and had to drop the franchise. It has nothing to do with Dungeon Keeper Mobile - this development happened before Dungeon Keeper Mobile was even announced. Anyway, as an early access backer I'm still on the fence on War for the Overworld. All it's done successfully so far is make me want to play the older Dungeon Keeper games instead. It looks the part, but it so far doesn't have any of the charm - they are playing it far too straight. Hmm, I must've been misinformed then, I read they were fine using the name until that Mobile thing came around. My apologies. That said I'm curious how it will turn out, can hardly be worse than that F2P thing. I probably still know all Dungeon Keeper levels by heart, so even if the urge to play is there it'd probably be a short stint. Maybe I should get my hands on the Deeper Dungeons, though I remember mostly frustration with that. I did find it interesting that they put Kotor2 over Kotor1. I always had the impression the latter was more popular. KotOR2 is certainly better in pretty much every way (which doesn't mean that KotOR isn't a good game, of course). The main problem with KotOR2 is that it was released unfinished and stayed that way until fans fixed it. Something I'm still bitter about (sue me). Which reminds me that I should really give the restored version another try (I couldn't get it to run last time I tried, which admittedly was a while ago) Edited February 7, 2014 by marelooke
Guest Slinky Posted February 7, 2014 Posted February 7, 2014 While KotOR2's take on star wars was about billion times more interesting than the usual fairy tale SW tends to be, I always thought the planets and other places were really boring in KotOR 2. As such I never really got into it. Too bad the engine is so cluncky in both games, otherwise I think I would go check has my opinion of them changed over the years.
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