Pardon my ignorance but does that mean no camera angle changing or zooming or anything? Seems pretty archaic to me if this is what you plan to spend $4M on... :/

There might be zoom, but yes, it's an isometric game so you can't rotate the camera or change the camera angle. This was in the first line of their Kickstarter pitch. The reason is that it is a lot easier to have tactical combat with such a view.

Pardon my ignorance but does that mean no camera angle changing or zooming or anything? Seems pretty archaic to me if this is what you plan to spend $4M on... :/

 

What value exactly does that get me? I have played plenty of games with either and I don't see how it actually makes it a better game. What not having it does is free art resources for elsewhere.

 

So hmmmm...something that adds nothing is sacrificed to free up resources for things that make the game better?

Read the pitch.

Edited November 3, 201213 yr by Tale
play nice

Fixed isometric isnt any more archaic than any other perspective.

Edited October 31, 201213 yr by Metabot

I'm really glad it's fixed.

Pardon my ignorance but does that mean no camera angle changing or zooming or anything? Seems pretty archaic to me if this is what you plan to spend $4M on... :/

There have been rumors of some limited form of zoom, but yes the camera angle is fixed for each area. Calling it "archaic" is a subjective opinion based on your expectations. The fixed perspective allows greater attention to be paid to the graphical features, and the play can benefit from not having to frequently adjust the camera angle. It's a trade off, as is true with all game designs.

Personally I would not mind it to be done in a similar way to Wasteland 2, but the hand crafted art, which is 2,5D can also look great as one of the pics showed.

Pardon my ignorance but does that mean no camera angle changing or zooming or anything? Seems pretty archaic to me if this is what you plan to spend $4M on... :/

 

Great! This thread need more trolls like him to spice things up!

Archaic and awesome.

 

 

Archaic and awesome.

 

Awechaic?

It's like that Mona Lisa thing. It's lame. I mean.... 2D

 

It's like that Mona Lisa thing. It's lame. I mean.... 2D

Ok...I admit it. I lol'd.

 

I can understand wanting an ability to control the camera. Even I've gotten rather used to that. But that's in the 3d games. And even in those, sometimes top-down perspective combined with camera swivel has its own bizarre issues. I still wouldn't mind a simple close-up function tho, for vanity sake. But I won't mind if it's not included, either.

The only real issue with the fixed view is when things hide behind the scenery, which was a common issue with Fallout 1 & 2.

It's one of the pillars the game stands on. It wouldn't be happening in any other view.

Besides, it means we get gorgeous landscapes and backgrounds.

If your not into isometric games, well this is the wrong game to be a part of.

I like fixed cameras, they are simple and get the job done. In BG 1 & 2 and Fallout 1 & 2 I never missed having a "floating" or movable camera. I my humble opinion, I think the camera in NWN2, which was not fixed, was simply awful.

Isometric view has actually been one of the selling points of Project Eternity. It might be old, but it's certainly not archaic - as proved by high demand for games using this view.

 

However, I agree that some flexibility of the camera would be useful. I recently replayed Fallout and it was a pain to search bodies hidden behind walls or sometimes even to see my enemies. I hope transparent walls will be more effective in PE so we don't need a movable camera.

I'm usually ok with stuff being highlighted when they're behind walls or whatever.

Pardon my ignorance but does that mean no camera angle changing or zooming or anything? Seems pretty archaic to me if this is what you plan to spend $4M on... :/

 

Pretty much yes. "Zoom" might work, though I'm wondering what kind of... errors will crop up due to technical stuff. Though I can't imagine they'd be too bad. I'm just being nitpicky about wanting the absolute best quality possible.

 

As for "stuff highlighted" when it's behind a wall, it honestly shouldn't be too hard to just make the wall or the roof or whatever disappear this time around.

Edited October 31, 201213 yr by Frenetic Pony

All opinions provided in response appreciated. I can see the point in keeping it fixed I guess. Diablo3 is doing well with this so I suppose its ok however Diablo3 I am pretty sure is on a full 3D engine so I'm not sure how well 2.5D will stack up. (p.s. I'm not trolling)

It will probably allow a zoom function. So not completely fixed.

Pardon my ignorance but does that mean no camera angle changing or zooming or anything? Seems pretty archaic to me if this is what you plan to spend $4M on... :/

 

Sigh.

think of it as more like Diablo 2 then buddy.

Pardon my ignorance but does that mean no camera angle changing or zooming or anything? Seems pretty archaic to me if this is what you plan to spend $4M on... :/

Totaly agree. For $4M they could do some awesome 3D masterpiece, like Dragon Age 2 or Arcania. It could also solve all problems with console adaptation and gamepad compatibility.

Edited November 2, 201213 yr by Comedian

It will probably allow a zoom function. So not completely fixed.

 

A zoom would add a lot, IMHO. With the increased resolution, it would be a nice touch--not so much for tactical combat--but for searching, thieving, even just to get a closer look at your avatar's armor, etc. I've been playing a little IWD II recently, and think a feature like this would be useful and appreciated. For situations like walking your party around a town, you could zoom in and get a closer look at your immediate surroundings, instead of just looking at a screen full of rooftops. Same goes for a narrow dead-end tunnel, when the rest of the screen is black.

Edited November 2, 201213 yr by Seryn