HunterMcJesus Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Replay that last battle... WITHOUT pauses. When we all played these kinds of games, half the fun was planing and excecuting an amazing fight sequence where you mowed down your competition and (hopefully) none of your party members died. How did you do this? Lets put it this way... Pause, attack, unpause, pause, attack, unpause, PAUSE, health potion...; rinse and repeat. This crazy task of stopping time to give orders could take on the order of tens of minutes to orchestrate. when in actuall game time it was maybe a minute or so of fighting. Since this is the begining of a new project, I would like to request a small feature to the game. I would like the ability to replay the last minute or so of actual battle to watch the level of incredible badassery i just unleashed upon those bad guys. Just a small request. Thanks, Nick 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassat Hunter Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Based on the title I was just going to say "use savegames"... Probably want to word it a bit better if you want people to read it. I don't recall pausing that often. See no harm adding it depending on the technical difficulty... ^ I agree that that is such a stupid idiotic pathetic garbage hateful retarded scumbag evil satanic nazi like term ever created. At least top 5. TSLRCM Official Forum || TSLRCM Moddb || My other KOTOR2 mods || TSLRCM (English version) on Steam || [M4-78EP on Steam Formerly known as BattleWookiee/BattleCookiee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khango Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Battle replays would be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khango Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Agree the title isn't clear, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparklecat Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 ...this would be so cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieo Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Hm, would require intelligent video recording addition to the game core? That seems like too much work and probably not something Unity can provide; I'm not sure what other technical solution there might be, though. The KS Collector's Edition does not include the Collector's Book. Which game hook brought you to Project Eternity and interests you the most? PE will not have co-op/multiplayer, console, or tablet support (sources): [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Write your own romance mods because there won't be any in PE. "But what is an evil? Is it like water or like a hedgehog or night or lumpy?" -(Digger) "Most o' you wanderers are but a quarter moon away from lunacy at the best o' times." -Alvanhendar (Baldur's Gate 1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychoBlonde Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I don't recall pausing that often. See no harm adding it depending on the technical difficulty... Yeah, I consider the effort of giving commands while the battle is going on to be part of the challenge. However, I make one exception for this--commands that take more than 2 clicks to execute. If I have to select a character, select a menu icon, pull up the spell, target the spell, then click to cast it, imma pause. I'm hoping they're smart enough to make pretty much everything a two-clicker--click the hotbar icon (I want to be able to put all of my abilities on the same hotbar), click the target, whammo! 1 Grand Rhetorist of the Obsidian OrderIf you appeal to "realism" about a video game feature, you are wrong. Go back and try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khango Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 (edited) I don't think it requires intelligent video recording... it ought to be a lot like making a demo in quake or something, Probably replayed from recorded input and effect data, rather than video. Edited October 17, 2012 by khango Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwesomeOcelot Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 It's possible, a lot of FPS and RTS games have this functionally, but it's not simple to implement, and has less utility or demand in RPG games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khango Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 The utility of epic wizard battle replays can't be underestimated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyCrimson Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 If it was within their time, budget and capability to include it, I'd have no objection. That said, I kinda doubt it will be. One can always record your game session and then edit out all the pause/commanding of the battles. More user-work and not quite the same I know, but better than nothing. 2 “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khango Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 If it was within their time, budget and capability to include it, I'd have no objection. That said, I kinda doubt it will be. One can always record your game session and then edit out all the pause/commanding of the battles. More user-work and not quite the same I know, but better than nothing. Yeah, I can kind of see how it might be a lot of work if the engine doesn't have hooks for something similar to begin with. On the other hand, if there are going to be 'hands off' in-game cut-scene style sequences, it seems like a number of the hooks (for replaying a sequence with the same effects) probably exist already? *shrugs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieo Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 If it was within their time, budget and capability to include it, I'd have no objection. That said, I kinda doubt it will be. One can always record your game session and then edit out all the pause/commanding of the battles. More user-work and not quite the same I know, but better than nothing. Yeah, I can kind of see how it might be a lot of work if the engine doesn't have hooks for something similar to begin with. On the other hand, if there are going to be 'hands off' in-game cut-scene style sequences, it seems like a number of the hooks (for replaying a sequence with the same effects) probably exist already? *shrugs* But would the cut-scenes be stored as recorded video clips already? The KS Collector's Edition does not include the Collector's Book. Which game hook brought you to Project Eternity and interests you the most? PE will not have co-op/multiplayer, console, or tablet support (sources): [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Write your own romance mods because there won't be any in PE. "But what is an evil? Is it like water or like a hedgehog or night or lumpy?" -(Digger) "Most o' you wanderers are but a quarter moon away from lunacy at the best o' times." -Alvanhendar (Baldur's Gate 1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmelle Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 This kind of thing isn't *that* difficult to implement, if you factor things out from the get go. Inputs/actions can be sent to a 'logger' or an 'executor'. The format the logger saves in can then be read back later, and sent back to the executor as well. The executor actually leads to the on screen rendering at some point. If you have data on the world state at the beginning of a battle, plus this log of all actions that occured during it, then have it prune out the pauses... it shouldn't be all that bad. That said, I'm just wondering how much use it'd get? I think it'd be pretty cool to see the first few times around, but after a while, I'm not sure if I'd still be doing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uomoz Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I'd love this feature. *remembers the first Gorion battle in BG1* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterMcJesus Posted October 17, 2012 Author Share Posted October 17, 2012 That said, I'm just wondering how much use it'd get? I think it'd be pretty cool to see the first few times around, but after a while, I'm not sure if I'd still be doing it? I'd agree that you wouldnt use it all the time. And because of that, its not high on my "this absolutly needs to be a feature list". However, I would use it occasionally when I fought a particularly hard battle. I figured its better to mention it now before they really get rolling and maybe it gets into someones mind over there at OE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathwing Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Isn't something Unity built-in, but there are third-party assets that do exactly this job on Unity. For example this one: http://www.softrare.eu/ez-replay-manager-demo-1.html#.UH6_sMUxrHQ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AwesomeOcelot Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 This kind of thing isn't *that* difficult to implement, if you factor things out from the get go. Inputs/actions can be sent to a 'logger' or an 'executor'. The format the logger saves in can then be read back later, and sent back to the executor as well. The executor actually leads to the on screen rendering at some point. If you have data on the world state at the beginning of a battle, plus this log of all actions that occured during it, then have it prune out the pauses... it shouldn't be all that bad. That said, I'm just wondering how much use it'd get? I think it'd be pretty cool to see the first few times around, but after a while, I'm not sure if I'd still be doing it? I'd counter that with a lot of RTS and FPS games do this feature badly, and it's not necessarily to do with what you write about, but what you have to put on top of it to make the experience informative and usable for the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshae Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Hm, would require intelligent video recording addition to the game core? That seems like too much work and probably not something Unity can provide; I'm not sure what other technical solution there might be, though. I'm not sure about this, but it actually might actually be a useful feature for play testing. I.e. replay a battle up to a certain point, then turn it live and try the action that caused an issue. "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmage Silver Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 If it was within their time, budget and capability to include it, I'd have no objection. That said, I kinda doubt it will be. One can always record your game session and then edit out all the pause/commanding of the battles. More user-work and not quite the same I know, but better than nothing. I second this. The money should primarily go towards making the game a complete cRPG experience. Any vanity replay cam features are secondary, and should only be considered if there's really that much extra time and money to go around. Exile in Torment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imatechguy Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 I like the concept here. I have an old game, Flatout, that records every race and gives you the option to watch the full replay at the end or skip and that games pretty old so the functionality ought to be fairly easy to implement. Rather than going to the effort of doing this for every fight it might be easier to add the right triggers in for just major quest and boss fights and of course pausing would pause the record feature. Schedule the recording so it doesn't stop until the scene is over (any cut-scene included) and throw in an option to save the recording as a file on the HDD. For that matter allow users to configure it in the options. A simple Enable/Disable toggle with another for auto-saving it to the HDD. Now users can watch them outside of the game and go back to watch videos from previous runs. I think the feature might see more actual use that way than if it was generally available for any just given fight. The day Microsoft makes a product that doesn't suck is the day they make a vacuum cleaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guilty Party Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Honestly, this feature would be totally cool. But unless they're just overflowing with free time, I'd rather see them make more story, more locations, more monsters. And this feature seems like it'd be tricky to get right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kith Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) I would love an option like you suggest (though as others have said, the title needs work ), I always meticulously plan out my battles in turnbased games and it'd be great to see it all unfold without gaps after a particuarly hard battle. Even more fun if you could export those replay saves into a transferable file - setup a respository for people to upload their epic battles for the world to see (or learn from). Edited October 18, 2012 by Kith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterMcJesus Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 I'm sorry, I'm a nub here how can I change the title of a thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickermoon Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Great idea! Nothing more to say to this. Yay, my badge :3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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