Piracy

[Rosbjerg]

Former thread..

 

Some of the former points.

 

Look, this is a thread about piracy. People keep trying to bring DRM into the argument. That isn't necessary. Forget trying to justify piracy.

 

Pirating doesn't help the cause at all. It just fulfills a selfish desire to play the game.

 

but how can you talk about piracy without bringing in DRM? at first designed as a tool to combat piracy, today DRM is considered on of the things justifying illegal distribution.

 

Easy. because one doesn't have to be pro DRM to be anti piracy. Piracy ie. theft is for scumbag piece of crap losers. No matter what.

[Meshugger]

I just bought Deus Ex: Human Revolution and the installer says that i have to install steam to play it, which i would not like to do. Why can't i not choose to install it? Stop making me want to pirate the very game that i bought, goddammit!

[Morgoth]

I just bought Deus Ex: Human Revolution and the installer says that i have to install steam to play it, which i would not like to do. Why can't i not choose to install it? Stop making me want to pirate the very game that i bought, goddammit!

Are you joking or something?

[Meshugger]

I just bought Deus Ex: Human Revolution and the installer says that i have to install steam to play it, which i would not like to do. Why can't i not choose to install it? Stop making me want to pirate the very game that i bought, goddammit!

Are you joking or something?

 

Of course not. I bought Deus Ex to play Deus Ex. I didn't buy it to install Steam. This isn't the first time either that this has happened. I still haven't touched the Orange Box either after i found out that installing Steam was required. Yes, i still haven't played Portal.

 

Point being is that i feel duped and can now understand the reason why someone would pirate it even if they have a legal copy. Personally, I wouldn't have bought it in the first place if i knew that steam was required. Maybe i just should return the damn thing instead.

 

//EDIT: No matter, i'll return it for the xbox-version instead.

Edited December 10, 2011 by Meshugger

[Hassat Hunter]

Well, it's true.

 

If Fallout: New Vegas or Dungeon Siege III required Steam, I would have bought them instantly like Alpha Protocol.

Probably regretted it on both instances (poor performance and Steam cloud issues on the first, gameplay on second)... so in some way it's good I am forced to wait for a better price.

 

Also, Hurlshot... thinking companies take the right lesson from something is hoping that Greece suddenly becomes an AAA-country, all by themselves. Unrealistic.

I mean, even big companies like BioWare can horribly hit the wrong spot by their "user research"... going from DA:O to DA2. And past experiences with DRM additions and lesser buck-for-your-value shows any faith there is faith lost.

Most just go 'pirates kill the PC' like they always did. Nevermind the consoles always get leaked versions before that. And all my console-playing friends never payed for any of there titles. Like my PC friends and me... :/

[Malcador]

Why not bring DRM into the topic though, it is related and not being laser like focused on the topic isn't exactly required here, heh. Besides, then all we'll have are posts with rageposting about pirates (although funny). Hm, so if someone buys a game and then cracks it, that person still an entitled scumbag to you people ?

[Walsingham]

I get annoyed by all the crap in games. It's like trailers before DVDs _that I own_. I don't pirate games, but if I ever do it will be because some chewing-gum brained simpleton thinks he can squidge adverts all over them.

[Volourn]

"Hm, so if someone buys a game and then cracks it, that person still an entitled scumbag to you people ? "

 

Who said anything of the sort? If you boguht the game you have the right to play it. I'm talking about *stealing*?

 

Don't try to make excuses for thieves.

 

 

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[mr insomniac]

I just bought Deus Ex: Human Revolution and the installer says that i have to install steam to play it, which i would not like to do. Why can't i not choose to install it? Stop making me want to pirate the very game that i bought, goddammit!

Are you joking or something?

 

Of course not. I bought Deus Ex to play Deus Ex. I didn't buy it to install Steam. This isn't the first time either that this has happened. I still haven't touched the Orange Box either after i found out that installing Steam was required. Yes, i still haven't played Portal.

 

Point being is that i feel duped and can now understand the reason why someone would pirate it even if they have a legal copy. Personally, I wouldn't have bought it in the first place if i knew that steam was required. Maybe i just should return the damn thing instead.

 

//EDIT: No matter, i'll return it for the xbox-version instead.

Steam requirement is listed on the back of the box.

[Malcador]

"Hm, so if someone buys a game and then cracks it, that person still an entitled scumbag to you people ? "

 

Who said anything of the sort? If you boguht the game you have the right to play it. I'm talking about *stealing*?

 

Don't try to make excuses for thieves.

 

 

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How was I making excuses for thieves by asking about a situation you've admitted isn't thievery. Was out of curiosity.

[greylord]

"Hm, so if someone buys a game and then cracks it, that person still an entitled scumbag to you people ? "

 

Who said anything of the sort? If you boguht the game you have the right to play it. I'm talking about *stealing*?

 

Don't try to make excuses for thieves.

 

 

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Dang right, don't support the DRM folks...cause they feel they have a right to steal your money!!!

 

It's been double sided though...at first they thought they had the RIGHT to install spyware on your machine without your consent...but got slapped around and now most at least alert you that you need to have an internet connection at least and ALERT YOU (which they didn't originally in many cases) that you are about to install something you didn't want or plan to during the installation.

 

I hate theives who steal my personal information on what I game, when I game, and how I game with out regard that where I live we have rules in regards to RIGHT TO PRIVACY.

 

Though I have to say, originally when games first came out with steam it irked me on that I'd buy a disk...but then the game wasn't on the disk. It only had a STEAM link on the disk to download steam and then the game itself...which made me go...WTH...why did I even try to buy a hardcopy if there's no hardcopy here!!!!????

 

That actually felt a little more like stealing directly through deciet to me than anything a pirate ever did to me.

 

Game Producers, 50% of the big ones are thieves, liars, and evil to the core.

 

So...I still support them (like Ubi) by not buying their games on PC but buying it on console.

 

Probably people like me doing the same thing are the reason PC sales are less then half of what they were 5 years ago (most say even less then that by a far amount), but booming on consoles.

 

Yeah...I hate thieves...but many of the Game producers are more akin to thieves than the pirates in my book these days...but luckily just like you learn to lock your car...I've learned how to prevent them from stealing my information by avoiding their games and not letting them install their spyware on my PC if I don't want them to know that specific type of information.

 

But this isn't scum and thieves overall...but about piracy. If they really want to fight piracy...DRM is about the stupidest thing they've ever created...both singlehandedly killing PC sales whilst raising the number of pirates and piracy overall...double fail for DRM.

 

On the bright side, Indie developers are once again having the biggest heyday since the late eighties and early 90s in both acclaim and sales.

[Hurlshort]

So once the publishers have your private information, what criminal enterprise are you worried they will undertake?

 

I agree with you about the invasive software, but I'm more worried about hackers getting it than anything the publishers themselves do.

 

Also, when you buy a hardcopy Steamworks game, it does install off the disk, it just uses Steam as the installer. That's why it is traditionally much faster to install that way.

[Gorgon]

I don't trust the offline mode though, it's let me down a few times on holiday with games installed on my laptop. Without a viable offline mode a crack might be your only option.

[Azdeus]

Of course not. I bought Deus Ex to play Deus Ex. I didn't buy it to install Steam. This isn't the first time either that this has happened. I still haven't touched the Orange Box either after i found out that installing Steam was required. Yes, i still haven't played Portal.

 

Point being is that i feel duped and can now understand the reason why someone would pirate it even if they have a legal copy. Personally, I wouldn't have bought it in the first place if i knew that steam was required. Maybe i just should return the damn thing instead.

 

//EDIT: No matter, i'll return it for the xbox-version instead.

 

Just should just download it instead, you've payed money for it. Don't join the dark side! :<

Edited December 11, 2011 by Azdeus

[greylord]

So once the publishers have your private information, what criminal enterprise are you worried they will undertake?

 

I agree with you about the invasive software, but I'm more worried about hackers getting it than anything the publishers themselves do.

 

Also, when you buy a hardcopy Steamworks game, it does install off the disk, it just uses Steam as the installer. That's why it is traditionally much faster to install that way.

 

No, not always. I've had it where steamworks installs and then it puts me on hold as it downloads the ENTIRE FRIGGEN GAME!!! That peeved me off. If I had wanted to D/L the game without a hardcopy I wouldn't have bought the hardcopy in the first place.

 

And then there's the times when it has it on disk, but decides as long as it's installing it will take that hour or two simply to update the game whether or not I wanted to play it in that time or not.

 

But steamworks is the least of the wrongs out there with DRM. Ubi is by far the worst.

 

As for personal information...Bioware obviously interpreted some of my gameplaying styles wrongly if DA2 is what they came up with...I'd just rather them NOT have that info if that's what they are using it to make.

 

Not only that, but the spam they send me via their email stuff, and the hackings that have gone on (ironically it wasn't PC that was the biggest hack though, it was Sony with their PSN), I'd rather have my personal info...personal.

[Zoraptor]

Of course not. I bought Deus Ex to play Deus Ex. I didn't buy it to install Steam. This isn't the first time either that this has happened. I still haven't touched the Orange Box either after i found out that installing Steam was required. Yes, i still haven't played Portal.

 

Point being is that i feel duped and can now understand the reason why someone would pirate it even if they have a legal copy. Personally, I wouldn't have bought it in the first place if i knew that steam was required. Maybe i just should return the damn thing instead.

 

//EDIT: No matter, i'll return it for the xbox-version instead.

 

Just should just download it instead, you've payed money for it. Don't join the dark side! :<

Nah.

 

If you wanted to buy it do so via second hand/ rent or borrow, for console. Steam gets nothing, publisher gets nothing; get a cheaper game, the sweet knowledge that some accountant/ exec is foaming at the mouth at not getting a cut, don't miss out on anything and have the lovely warm feeling of it being 100% legal.

 

Since publishers have zero qualms placing limits because "it's legal" you should have zero qualms using the same argument in reverse.

[Walsingham]

Since publishers have zero qualms placing limits because "it's legal" you should have zero qualms using the same argument in reverse.

 

man has a point.

[Starwars]

Some interesting tidbits on piracy from an indie developer:

[Mamoulian War]

"Hm, so if someone buys a game and then cracks it, that person still an entitled scumbag to you people ? "

 

Who said anything of the sort? If you boguht the game you have the right to play it. I'm talking about *stealing*?

 

Don't try to make excuses for thieves.

 

 

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Dang right, don't support the DRM folks...cause they feel they have a right to steal your money!!!

 

It's been double sided though...at first they thought they had the RIGHT to install spyware on your machine without your consent...but got slapped around and now most at least alert you that you need to have an internet connection at least and ALERT YOU (which they didn't originally in many cases) that you are about to install something you didn't want or plan to during the installation.

 

I hate theives who steal my personal information on what I game, when I game, and how I game with out regard that where I live we have rules in regards to RIGHT TO PRIVACY.

 

Though I have to say, originally when games first came out with steam it irked me on that I'd buy a disk...but then the game wasn't on the disk. It only had a STEAM link on the disk to download steam and then the game itself...which made me go...WTH...why did I even try to buy a hardcopy if there's no hardcopy here!!!!????

 

That actually felt a little more like stealing directly through deciet to me than anything a pirate ever did to me.

 

Game Producers, 50% of the big ones are thieves, liars, and evil to the core.

 

So...I still support them (like Ubi) by not buying their games on PC but buying it on console.

 

Probably people like me doing the same thing are the reason PC sales are less then half of what they were 5 years ago (most say even less then that by a far amount), but booming on consoles.

 

Yeah...I hate thieves...but many of the Game producers are more akin to thieves than the pirates in my book these days...but luckily just like you learn to lock your car...I've learned how to prevent them from stealing my information by avoiding their games and not letting them install their spyware on my PC if I don't want them to know that specific type of information.

 

But this isn't scum and thieves overall...but about piracy. If they really want to fight piracy...DRM is about the stupidest thing they've ever created...both singlehandedly killing PC sales whilst raising the number of pirates and piracy overall...double fail for DRM.

 

On the bright side, Indie developers are once again having the biggest heyday since the late eighties and early 90s in both acclaim and sales.

 

 

Amen to that!!!

[Mamoulian War]

Since publishers have zero qualms placing limits because "it's legal" you should have zero qualms using the same argument in reverse.

 

man has a point.

 

+1 for this as well !

[Gorth]

On the bright side, Indie developers are once again having the biggest heyday since the late eighties and early 90s in both acclaim and sales.

Says who? Sure as heck not the indie developers.

[greylord]

On the bright side, Indie developers are once again having the biggest heyday since the late eighties and early 90s in both acclaim and sales.

Says who? Sure as heck not the indie developers.

 

I'd say they are...they practically died out due to the costs and distributions during the late 90s and 2000s. In order to get a game that actually made a LOT of money you had to have a nice sized team of developers. You couldn't really go off on your own and start up something and have it compete with the likes of Warcraft 3, or Diablo 2. The Big box producers dominated the market.

 

Nowdays with Steam, Xbox Live, and digital distribution, along with the hostile way which the big producers treat customers, you get breakouts like Minecraft, new inspirations like Bastion, possibilities like Torchlight, banging down the doors of the big boys. It's the developers once again regaining some semblance of independance from the big brother Producers, and instead of simply producing the status quo, make things THEY want to make rather than what they are constrained to make.

 

Not only that, but it was the Indies that really took off on the smart phone phenomena and made money there...though the big boys are starting to try to force and shove their way in with their big money and huge political (at least electronic capital politics) pull into that market.

 

I'd say this is the day of the Indie...and it's only going to get better for them on the PC as the Big producers get more tightfisted on PC and/or move more towards consoles.

[Gorth]

I'd say this is the day of the Indie...and it's only going to get better for them on the PC as the Big producers get more tightfisted on PC and/or move more towards consoles.

A few are successful despite piracy, not because if it. Check out the link Starwars posted for indie developer opinions.

[Humodour]

I'd say this is the day of the Indie...and it's only going to get better for them on the PC as the Big producers get more tightfisted on PC and/or move more towards consoles.

A few are successful despite piracy, not because if it. Check out the link Starwars posted for indie developer opinions.

 

"A few"?

 

http://store.steampowered.com/genre/Indie/

[Gorth]

"A few"?

 

http://store.steampowered.com/genre/Indie/

Was there a point to that?

 

Not sure what a collection of product pages is supposed to tell. It doesn't show units sold, nor how much creativity gets killed off and fall by the wayside over a defined time period.