February 11, 201015 yr http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ter...e-cover-up.html I'm not 100% certain that this is the worst torture imaginable. But nonetheless it is worrying. Very worrying. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp.
February 11, 201015 yr Next time I suggest you invite him for tea and crumpets, old chap. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan
February 11, 201015 yr Sleep deprivation is a terrible form of torture. Just ask those that genuinely suffer from chronic insomnia. Stand Your Convictions and You Will Walk Alone.
February 11, 201015 yr How does an intelligence service work if it can't torture people once in a while? "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian tourist I am Dan Quayle of the Romans. I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands. Heja Sverige!! Everyone should cuffawkle more. The wrench is your friend.
February 11, 201015 yr Huh? Not even waterboarding? FAIL - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
February 11, 201015 yr How does an intelligence service work if it can't torture people once in a while? Yeah, it Edited February 11, 201015 yr by kirottu This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time.
February 11, 201015 yr Do you want to make Santa sad? Yes. This particularly rapid, unintelligible patter isn't generally heard, and if it is, it doesn't matter.
February 11, 201015 yr How does an intelligence service work if it can't torture people once in a while? While Im sure you're being sarcastic, its a good question. Asking nicely doesnt work and with every form of inconveniencing them being classified as torture, we're left with few option until reliable chemical or mechanical forms are discovered.
February 11, 201015 yr Just ask Jack Bauer. He doesn't care about silly do gooder liberal rules either. There are terrorists to stop. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
February 11, 201015 yr Actually, I wasn't being sarcastic, even if everyone thought I was. It's like demanding the army not to kill anyone. It's missing the point. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian tourist I am Dan Quayle of the Romans. I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands. Heja Sverige!! Everyone should cuffawkle more. The wrench is your friend.
February 11, 201015 yr Information extracted under torture is notoriously unreliable. "The universe is a yawning chasm, filled with emptiness and the puerile meanderings of sentience..." - Ulyaoth "It is all that is left unsaid upon which tragedies are built." - Kreia "I thought this forum was for Speculation & Discussion, not Speculation & Calling People Trolls." - lord of flies
February 11, 201015 yr I'm sure SIS never break international law either. It ain't cheating unless you get caught, I'm sure that's on their crest. There are none that are right, only strong of opinion. There are none that are wrong, only ignorant of facts
February 11, 201015 yr The world is not going to end because we insist on civil rights at all levels of government, including the secret ones, quite the opposite. Who decides what is national security and warrants the use of torture and what is merely national interest. All braches of government serve the people, and none of them are above the law. Edited February 11, 201015 yr by Gorgon Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
February 11, 201015 yr Author How does an intelligence service work if it can't torture people once in a while? While Im sure you're being sarcastic, its a good question. Asking nicely doesnt work and with every form of inconveniencing them being classified as torture, we're left with few option until reliable chemical or mechanical forms are discovered. *sigh* Not this again. While the desk jockeys at MI5 may occasionally hold the occasional torture party for the odd Yankee Walter Mitty the simple 'fact' I've absorbed from every experienced soldier I've ever spoken to is that torture doesn't extract useful information. I mean just think about it. If torturing people worked then there would have been zero resistance movements against the nazis. Instead of a bazillion. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp.
February 11, 201015 yr Sounds like more research is needed. There are none that are right, only strong of opinion. There are none that are wrong, only ignorant of facts
February 11, 201015 yr *sigh* Not this again. While the desk jockeys at MI5 may occasionally hold the occasional torture party for the odd Yankee Walter Mitty the simple 'fact' I've absorbed from every experienced soldier I've ever spoken to is that torture doesn't extract useful information. I mean just think about it. If torturing people worked then there would have been zero resistance movements against the nazis. Instead of a bazillion. Nazis didn't really bother with torture. Not very methodically, at least. They either shipped you off to a labor camp to work you to death, or lined you up with a few hundred others and shot you in the back of the head. That tends to make folks restless and encourage armed resistance. Which worked just fine for them, as "removal" of the native populations in conquered areas was part of their war plans - but that way they could write it off as "fighting partisans". As for torture itself, I think the point isn't so much that torture doesn't extract useful info (which it can do), but rather, that unless that info can be verified, it cannot be consistently relied upon. This severely limits its usefulness as a method for intel gathering. If it had been scienfically established that torture does not work as a method for extracting information, there would be no debate. Anecdotal evidence goes both ways, though. Edited February 11, 201015 yr by 213374U - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
February 11, 201015 yr Rest easy knowing America is the only one who actually sodomized their prisoners. We still have the patent on that. Edited February 11, 201015 yr by Aram
February 11, 201015 yr Never torture an individual unless you are willing to go through that torture yourself. Murphy's Law of Computer Gaming: The listed minimum specifications written on the box by the publisher are not the minimum specifications of the game set by the developer. @\NightandtheShape/@ - "Because you're a bizzare strange deranged human?" Walsingham- "Sand - always rushing around, stirring up apathy." Joseph Bulock - "Another headache, courtesy of Sand"
February 11, 201015 yr Masochists would have to undergo being locked in a room with cute puppies and an agent who would utter a random confidence building compliments every 2 minuites. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
February 11, 201015 yr Never torture an individual unless you are willing to go through that torture yourself. Thanks for giving me the heads up. England here I come! I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you.
February 11, 201015 yr Every intelligence service tortures people and occasionally kills individuals. To presume otherwise is foolish and naive. Obviously they don't do it officially, their field agents do. I have in my possesion a KGB agent manual, (released publicly in Russia after the fall of the USSR) there is an entire chapter dedicated to torture methods. CIA and MI6 are no different. Imperium Thought for the Day: Even a man who has nothing can still offer his life
February 11, 201015 yr Every intelligence service tortures people and occasionally kills individuals. To presume otherwise is foolish and naive. Obviously they don't do it officially, their field agents do. I have in my possesion a KGB agent manual, (released publicly in Russia after the fall of the USSR) there is an entire chapter dedicated to torture methods. CIA and MI6 are no different. Well the KGB is still pretty old, perhaps there are better ways to extract information nowadays that have made torture fall into disuse by first rate intelligence agencies. What has been said before is true; information acquired by torture is unreliable, specially from agents that are trained to give out false or minimal information when broken. Also the KGB had a reputation for being brutal (as everything in Russia does) so there is also a difference in methods used by the agencies. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you.
February 11, 201015 yr TBH, I'm sure they know torture isn't the most reliable way to get info and probably don't use it all that much, especially when there are other more efficient options. But it might just be wishful thinking. "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"
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