Purkake Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 After playing a bit more, I better understand what I don't like about Fallout 3. I have tried to compare it to other games I have liked such as Kotor 1, Jade empire or the witcher and see what's different. It's definitely not the third person 3D view, as those games have it as well. It's not really the dialogs as each NPC has a few lines to say. I don't like the shooter aspect, it doesn't suit an rpg in my opinion. I miss the party interaction. Actually, I have been avoiding games where you play a loner. This even applies to FPS games, which is why I only play CoD games. Again, I repeat myself but the interface is clunky and the character is too slow when moving. There's your problem! The third person view is almost as horrible as in Oblivion and it was super horrible there. Also, CoD has some great party interaction indeed
ramza Posted September 21, 2009 Author Posted September 21, 2009 (edited) Concerning CoD, I was not talking about the interaction but the fact that you had a whole party of soldiers on your side. You weren't a one-man army. And well, yes. You may be right about the 3rd person view. There's no way I can compare it to that in Kotor and Jade empire. Edited September 21, 2009 by ramza "Ooo, squirrels, Boo! I know I saw them! Quick, throw nuts!" -Minsc "I am a well-known racist in the Realms! Elves? Dwarves? Ha! Kill'em all! Humans rule! -Me Volourn will never grow up, he's like the Black Peter Pan, here to tell you that it might be great to always be a child, but everybody around is gonna hate it.
alanschu Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 There's a third person view in Fallout 3? One thing I really liked about Fallout 3 was how the reload animations got longer and more elaborate the worse condition your weapon became. The rocket launcher was a lot of fun as you'd be flipping switches and smacking it to get it to finally work.
HoonDing Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 Concerning CoD, I was not talking about the interaction but the fact that you had a whole party of soldiers on your side. You weren't a one-man army. And well, yes. You may be right about the 3rd person view. There's no way I can compare it to that in Kotor and Jade empire. There are followers available in FO3 in fact... you can even glitch the game into having all eight followers at once. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Oner Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 One thing I really liked about Fallout 3 was how the reload animations got longer and more elaborate the worse condition your weapon became. The rocket launcher was a lot of fun as you'd be flipping switches and smacking it to get it to finally work.I totally missed that. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13.
alanschu Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 It's hilarious. I was wondering because at first when I got my Chinese Assault Rifle I was like "neat, the reload animation is really intricate." Then I fixed it, and was like "Wait... is it shorter now? Does it have multiple reload animations?" Then I realized it has to do with weapon quality.
Killian Kalthorne Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 That is also one of the things I like. "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe."
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 I have to admit that was pretty cool. Though I honestly wish there had been more weapons. Mostly an unscoped magnum that looked a bit more badass. "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"
entrerix Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 the reload animations are definitely the only animations in the game that are actually good. im not a hater, but yeah the animations in the game were poor. Killing is kind of like playin' a basketball game. I am there. and the other player is there. and it's just the two of us. and I put the other player's body in my van. and I am the winner. - Nice Pete.
Purkake Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 im not a hater, but yeah the animations in the game were poor. Yes, it's a Bethesda game, you might just as well put it on the box. Until they make a game with decent animation, it's the unfortunate truth.
Masterfade Posted September 21, 2009 Posted September 21, 2009 (edited) Reload animations are good because you can actually see them in first person view, so some honest efforts had been made there. Bethesda introduced the third person view in Morrowind as a glorified screenshot mode. Unfortunately, it never managed to grow out of that. Edited September 21, 2009 by Masterfade
alanschu Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 I definitely get the impression that the vision of the game they have, is that it is played in first-person mode.
WDeranged Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 The problem with followers in Fallout 3 is that they have nothing to say and no one has anything to say to them, they're just glorified pack brahmin...with guns. I did think some of the combat shouts were decent though, and the small amount of dialogue you get with followers before they join you is ok but it never, ever verges on Fallout 2's interparty bantering.
WILL THE ALMIGHTY Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 Fallout 3 reminds me of Deus Ex, except less entertaining. "Alright, I've been thinking. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade - make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager. Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons. Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons. I'm going to to get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!"
WDeranged Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 Now Deus Ex was a plotline to enjoy, that kind of intrigue in a FOblivion 3 type setting would be my perfect game.
Purkake Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 Now Deus Ex was a plotline to enjoy, that kind of intrigue in a FOblivion 3 type setting would be my perfect game. Sorry but cyberpunk > post-apocalypse.
Niten_Ryu Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 Yes, it's a Bethesda game, you might just as well put it on the box. Until they make a game with decent animation, it's the unfortunate truth. I'd like to see Bethesda make a non Gamebryo engine game. If their animations still suck, I'll play Morrowind as a punishment... with those flying mobs in a game. I kinda enjoyed Fallout 3 till certain point. One skills got too high and weapons too powerful, I got bored really fast. That's unfortunate as I just met Enclave by then. Actually same thing happend me in Fallout 2 too, as game felt much more balanced before power armors and energy weapons (with certain perks). Let's play Alpha Protocol My misadventures on youtube.
WDeranged Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 Now Deus Ex was a plotline to enjoy, that kind of intrigue in a FOblivion 3 type setting would be my perfect game. Sorry but cyberpunk > post-apocalypse. They're pretty even in my book, though I suppose I meant the open spaces of a Bethesda game with a well constructed plot like Deus-ex...but then I've got my hopes pinned on New Vegas for that
Purkake Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 Bah, the "open world" thing has become more of a gimmick than anything else. Prince of Persia had an "open world", even Bioshock was supposed to have one
WDeranged Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 Yeah I was pretty let down by Bioshock in that regard, they hyped it up like an in depth RPG and it came out like a brain damaged System Shock 2 Still the plot was well done if you didn't question one or two of the more unlikely events.
Purkake Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 Yeah I was pretty let down by Bioshock in that regard, they hyped it up like an in depth RPG and it came out like a brain damaged System Shock 2 Still the plot was well done if you didn't question one or two of the more unlikely events. I have written many a rant on that subject. My hate for Bioshock runs deep.
Guest Slinky Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 Yeah I was pretty let down by Bioshock in that regard, they hyped it up like an in depth RPG and it came out like a brain damaged System Shock 2 Hasn't Ken Levine said that they wanted to make SS2 a shooter like bioshock? That they added the RPG elements only because they didn't have money to make it a full blooded shooter? If thats true, I'm really really happy they were broke.
ramza Posted September 22, 2009 Author Posted September 22, 2009 The more I think about it, the more I believe that Fallout 3 provides an experience that is similar to that of any GTA game, Fable or any MMORPG. Wander around, kill stuff on your way, do want you want with NPCs, customize your character's appearance, dialog-light, etc. It's definitely not what I am looking for. I will try to enjoy the game for what it is. It can be fun but it's one of those games you eventually stop playing after a while... I like the radio though, it's fun having it switched on while fighting. "Ooo, squirrels, Boo! I know I saw them! Quick, throw nuts!" -Minsc "I am a well-known racist in the Realms! Elves? Dwarves? Ha! Kill'em all! Humans rule! -Me Volourn will never grow up, he's like the Black Peter Pan, here to tell you that it might be great to always be a child, but everybody around is gonna hate it.
Purkake Posted September 22, 2009 Posted September 22, 2009 The more I think about it, the more I believe that Fallout 3 provides an experience that is similar to that of any GTA game, Fable or any MMORPG. Wander around, kill stuff on your way, do want you want with NPCs, customize your character's appearance, dialog-light, etc. It's definitely not what I am looking for. I will try to enjoy the game for what it is. It can be fun but it's one of those games you eventually stop playing after a while... I like the radio though, it's fun having it switched on while fighting. What were you expecting going in? This is a serious question, not some weird mocking BTW.
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