Gfted1 Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 But Blizzard aren't that special... Maybe they are? Mkreku had a great post a while back about his experience beta testing for Blizzard where he stated that their Beta builds were like other companies Gold + 2 patches. Maybe they are better, with a much tighter QA department and a bottomless pit full of zots. Maybe they just care more about their products. Have you every purchased a bug riddled Blizzard game like the crap other companies pump out and then shrug their shoulders over? "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) But Blizzard aren't that special... Maybe they are? Mkreku had a great post a while back about his experience beta testing for Blizzard where he stated that their Beta builds were like other companies Gold + 2 patches. Maybe they are better, with a much tighter QA department and a bottomless pit full of zots. Maybe they just care more about their products. Have you every purchased a bug riddled Blizzard game like the crap other companies pump out and then shrug their shoulders over? Of course their QA is superb, but you'd think that after five years companies would notice that to compete they will need the same level of testing and QA as Blizzard. EA has a lot more money/resources than Blizzard, they could do it, but for some reason they haven't yet. The money-making potential is through the roof and it would be nice if someone shook the MMO space a little. Edited June 11, 2009 by Purkake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 I trust Bioware that they're doing a lot of things right, meaning that TOR should have at least 500k subscribers steadily. Otherwise, if you're looking for a real shake-up in the MMO spectrum, I guess Blizzard will be the only ones achieving that. After all, they work on a MMO that will be unlike WOW. Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 I trust Bioware that they're doing a lot of things right, meaning that TOR should have at least 500k subscribers steadily. Otherwise, if you're looking for a real shake-up in the MMO spectrum, I guess Blizzard will be the only ones achieving that. After all, they work on a MMO that will be unlike WOW. The next Blizzard MMO is probably going to shake things up nicely. It's just sad that everyone else keeps falling on their face over and over again. We have reached a point where everyone is tired of even talking about WoW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) Maybe they are? Mkreku had a great post a while back about his experience beta testing for Blizzard where he stated that their Beta builds were like other companies Gold + 2 patches. Maybe they are better, with a much tighter QA department and a bottomless pit full of zots. Maybe they just care more about their products. Have you every purchased a bug riddled Blizzard game like the crap other companies pump out and then shrug their shoulders over? That is the reason why people love Blizzard's game, even while everyone knows, that they have shallow stories and mediocre originality... The only game from blizzard that ever crashed on my PC was WoW after patch 3.0.1 and WotLK going live... Actualy about the stability the WotLK was first Blizzards game that failed (dont know about situation on NA servers, but on EU 3 month after release there was horrible instance lag and after 19.00 in-game time, you were unable to zone into any instances for 5-30 minutes... That was the time where WoW lost most of the subscribers, from which many came back again after Ulduar was released... The only other games which i had never problems was Square Enix games, but i am not much console gamer, so i do not know if console QA is much better than PC... Edited June 11, 2009 by Mamoulian War Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaftan Barlast Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 The NWN franchise is dead, dead, deeeeeeaaaaaad! O RLY? Must be why another expansion ws released not thta long ago. R00fles! And how many people bought that? You and another guy? DISCLAIMER: Do not take what I write seriously unless it is clearly and in no uncertain terms, declared by me to be meant in a serious and non-humoristic manner. If there is no clear indication, asume the post is written in jest. This notification is meant very seriously and its purpouse is to avoid misunderstandings and the consequences thereof. Furthermore; I can not be held accountable for anything I write on these forums since the idea of taking serious responsability for my unserious actions, is an oxymoron in itself. Important: as the following sentence contains many naughty words I warn you not to read it under any circumstances; botty, knickers, wee, erogenous zone, psychiatrist, clitoris, stockings, bosom, poetry reading, dentist, fellatio and the department of agriculture. "I suppose outright stupidity and complete lack of taste could also be considered points of view. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Actualy about the stability the WotLK was first Blizzards game that failed (dont know about situation on NA servers, but on EU 3 month after release there was horrible instance lag and after 19.00 in-game time, you were unable to zone into any instances for 5-30 minutes... That was the time where WoW lost most of the subscribers, from which many came back again after Ulduar was released... Huh, very interesting. It wasnt that way in North America afaik but I can only speak for the 4-5 servers Ive created toons on. The worst thing that happens to me is about 2-3 times a month I will inexplicably get "Disconnected from the server" and have to relog. I mean, of course I too sometimes get lag, especially in a pitched WG battle but besides that its smooth sailing. Blizzard is golden in my book. Every single game Ive ever purchased from them (Diablo, Diablo II, LoD, WoW + all expansions) has been flawless right out of the box. I cant say the same for anyone else. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 I used to crash like clockwork whenever I flew into Ironforge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristes Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 I still think Dalaran is a pain. Yeah, WoW ain't perfect, but it's pretty damned stable, especially in view of the scale. I have a lot of respect for Blizzard. They make games I like to play. However, I would like to ditch WoW for something better on the MMO side, but there really isn't much chance. I'm still weighing LotRO, but I've been doing that for a while. Someday. I still hope we get a good modern spy/paranormal. That would be wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Blizzard is golden in my book. Every single game Ive ever purchased from them (Diablo, Diablo II, LoD, WoW + all expansions) has been flawless right out of the box. I cant say the same for anyone else. Same for me, except WotLK, which was to easy mode for me and i lost half of my hairs due to the insane EU lag at evenings... so i cancelled and atm only waiting for Starcraft 2... Not planning to play anny MMO untill Blizz release their new, or until Final Fantasy XIV... will see how much time will have at that time Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 I still hope we get a good modern spy/paranormal. That would be wonderful.Yup. The WoD MMO has a lot of potential, but I don't even know if development on that has started. There's also room for FAIL on the scale of SWG and The Matrix Online... - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 Well there's still The Secret World as well that could cause a little punch in the MMO space. Maybe. Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 The NWN franchise is dead, dead, deeeeeeaaaaaad!O RLY? Must be why another expansion ws released not thta long ago. R00fles! And how many people bought that? You and another guy? This is the dev forum, ask them? Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morgoth Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 The NWN franchise is dead, dead, deeeeeeaaaaaad!O RLY? Must be why another expansion ws released not thta long ago. R00fles! And how many people bought that? You and another guy? This is the dev forum, ask them? I doubt Obsidian is allowed to talk sales numbers. That's Atari's job, and they ain't gonna tell you! Rain makes everything better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 The NWN franchise is dead, dead, deeeeeeaaaaaad!O RLY? Must be why another expansion ws released not thta long ago. R00fles! And how many people bought that? You and another guy? This is the dev forum, ask them? Obsidian are not developers of MoW Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taks Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 i would think he'd be referring to SoZ, but in any case, the fact that obsidian did not develop MoW is immaterial to the point: commercial expansions/add-ons were still being made/released (MoW is older than SoZ, oddly) for NWN up till very recently. taks comrade taks... just because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Oh yeah, that was Ossian, my bad. Or are there several typos in my magazine? Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 The fact that Atari let MOW be released shows the game, to them, is profitable. But, hey, how is Atari's BG3 where you can see the fear in the orc's eyes coming? How is that KOTOR3 non MMORPG coming? R00fles! NWN franchise is far from dead, and the fact that they're actually thinking of making NWN into a full fledge MMO goes to show that they believe in NWN's name value.. though, I think it won't be super successful, anyways. So, NWN like KOTOR is not really dead. Unlike, apparantly and sadly, BG. And, Fo was reborn and is now stronger than IT EVER WAS. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) The fact that Atari let MOW be released shows the game, to them, is profitable. But, hey, how is Atari's BG3 where you can see the fear in the orc's eyes coming? How is that KOTOR3 non MMORPG coming? R00fles! NWN franchise is far from dead, and the fact that they're actually thinking of making NWN into a full fledge MMO goes to show that they believe in NWN's name value.. though, I think it won't be super successful, anyways. So, NWN like KOTOR is not really dead. Unlike, apparantly and sadly, BG. And, Fo was reborn and is now stronger than IT EVER WAS. To be fair they released MOW because they had already spent money on it and it had been ready for over a year, not releasing it would have cost them way more. Edited June 11, 2009 by Purkake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cl_Flushentityhero Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 IMO, the appeal was always the singleplayer AND the free multi. To make it an MMO is to remove both aspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 To be fair they released MOW because they had already spent money on it and it had been ready for over a year, not releasing it would have cost them way more. This, not to mention the DRM testing... Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerSG Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 IMO, the appeal was always the singleplayer AND the free multi. To make it an MMO is to remove both aspects. Agreed, to me, no matter who the developer for the MMO version, it's a stupid business decision. Why would people pay for something they got for free previously? Especially during a severe recession. But do we expect Atari to do anything but FAIL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Why would people pay for something they got for free previously?So NWN offered server maintenance, fulltime DM staff, constant development, testing and addition of new content, event organization etc "for free" before? Especially during a severe recession. If you can't shell out $15 a month, my advice would be to stop whining and get a job. Homeless folk aren't their intended target anyway. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamoulian War Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) Why would people pay for something they got for free previously?So NWN offered server maintenance, fulltime DM staff, constant development, testing and addition of new content, event organization etc "for free" before? In some cases Yes you just had to pick up good PW... and PW's have something what no MMO up to this day ever had... DM organized adventures... Edited June 12, 2009 by Mamoulian War Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadly_Nightshade Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Why would people pay for something they got for free previously?So NWN offered server maintenance, fulltime DM staff, constant development, testing and addition of new content, event organization etc "for free" before? Many major servers did. "Geez. It's like we lost some sort of bet and ended up saddled with a bunch of terrible new posters on this forum." -Hurlshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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