Walsingham Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_y...ire/8058533.stm Like Fritzl except this guy was so terrifying he didn't need a basement. Bang to rights. Certainly did it. What earthly use is it to lock him up? "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian Kalthorne Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 They should drop him in a pit, place bars over it. and drop rotted meat for him to eat for the rest of his miserable existence. Either that or put a bullet in his brain. "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_y...ire/8058533.stm Like Fritzl except this guy was so terrifying he didn't need a basement. Bang to rights. Certainly did it. What earthly use is it to lock him up? The death penalty issue is not about individual cases, this much should be obvious. So, you've found a monster, so what. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoM_Solaufein Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_y...ire/8058533.stm Like Fritzl except this guy was so terrifying he didn't need a basement. Bang to rights. Certainly did it. What earthly use is it to lock him up? To drain the taxpayers of money. War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is StrengthBaldur's Gate moddingTeamBGBaldur's Gate modder/community leaderBaldur's Gate - Enhanced Edition beta testerBaldur's Gate 2 - Enhanced Edition beta tester Icewind Dale - Enhanced Edition beta tester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Under the circumstances I thought a life sentence would be a given. Heck IMHO life in prison is too good for beasts like this because prison is too humane and comfortable. I'd rather see them locked in a windowless, lightless cell with a slot in the door for food and a hole in the floor for a toilet. And if they are sentenced to life they will leave that room in a body bag and not before. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I want teh kotor 3 Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 People who don't support the death penalty confuse me almost as much as socialists do. If you kill someone, you deserve to die, preferably in a worse manner than did the person you killed. In 7th grade, I teach the students how Chuck Norris took down the Roman Empire, so it is good that you are starting early on this curriculum. R.I.P. KOTOR 2003-2008 KILLED BY THOSE GREEDY MONEY-HOARDING ************* AND THEIR *****-*** MMOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killian Kalthorne Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 The problem with the death penalty, at least in the United States, that it is a conoluted thing that includes more lawyers, courts, appeallate courts, and a cycle of appeals that costs upto millions upon milions of tax dollars per case. It would be more economical to just let the bugger rot for life in prison. Not as satisfying, sure, but it makes more fiscal sense. "Your Job is not to die for your country, but set a man on fire, and take great comfort in the general hostility and unfairness of the universe." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 (edited) People who don't support the death penalty confuse me almost as much as socialists do. If you kill someone, you deserve to die, preferably in a worse manner than did the person you killed. Yes, eye for an eye! Blood! Revenge! I'm happy that most of Europe has abolished the death penalty. Damn commies! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_y...ire/8058533.stm Like Fritzl except this guy was so terrifying he didn't need a basement. Bang to rights. Certainly did it. What earthly use is it to lock him up? We lock them up because we aren't bloodthirsty savages and also because of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union contains the right to life. I do think that he should get life in prison without any cuts. Edited May 19, 2009 by Purkake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I'd support the death penalty only as punishment for crimes against humanity, and if the sentence is given out by the International Court. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 "People who don't support the death penalty confuse me almost as much as socialists do. If you kill someone, you deserve to die, preferably in a worse manner than did the person you killed" It's much harder to pretend you are morally superior to someone when you demand they be murdered in a 'worse manner than they commited their murder'. isn't the point is we should be better than the criminal? btw, I don't uniformly oppose the death penalty; but the decision to go there should NOT be based on simple emotion. Many things should factor into taking the punishment that far. As for the case itself, the 'man' is obviously a sick piece of crap. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taks Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 ultimately, the problem with the death penalty is really that it is impossible to implement fairly (as if there is a "fair" way to decide to kill someone). there's always a chance that someone innocent, or at least, not guilty enough, will get executed with most systems. biases always creep in with human juries, which are never the "peers" we hope them to be*. the standard, in the US at least, is clearly way farther than simply "beyond a reasonable doubt," but i don't think it is far enough. i think the only standard should be "beyond any and all doubt," which is likely impossible for all but a few cases. taks *think about it: who gets stuck on death penalty juries? d'ya think you'd want those people deciding your fate? not me. i'd have to kill 'em all, too! comrade taks... just because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure79 Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I feel sick after reading that. What would drive someone to do such a thing? He should be put away for life with hard labor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 So, you believe in slavery? Wonderful. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_y...ire/8058533.stm Like Fritzl except this guy was so terrifying he didn't need a basement. Bang to rights. Certainly did it. What earthly use is it to lock him up? The death penalty issue is not about individual cases, this much should be obvious. So, you've found a monster, so what. I, on the other hand, feel that to avoid individual cases is to indulge in intellectual decadence. Typically the debate is over whether the death penalty can ever be justified. This is the proverbial black swan, which I feel proves that it can be. Indeed, I think that to look on this account without feeling the compelling need to exact ferocious retribution is to deny one's own humanity. Some things need to be punished, not as a deterrent to others because they are probably beyond deterrent, but as proof that we are distinct from them. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_y...ire/8058533.stm Like Fritzl except this guy was so terrifying he didn't need a basement. Bang to rights. Certainly did it. What earthly use is it to lock him up? The death penalty issue is not about individual cases, this much should be obvious. So, you've found a monster, so what. I, on the other hand, feel that to avoid individual cases is to indulge in intellectual decadence. Typically the debate is over whether the death penalty can ever be justified. This is the proverbial black swan, which I feel proves that it can be. Indeed, I think that to look on this account without feeling the compelling need to exact ferocious retribution is to deny one's own humanity. Some things need to be punished, not as a deterrent to others because they are probably beyond deterrent, but as proof that we are distinct from them. So how do you measure it? Is it worse than murdering 10 people? 100? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 (edited) Indeed, I think that to look on this account without feeling the compelling need to exact ferocious retribution is to deny one's own humanity. Some things need to be punished, not as a deterrent to others because they are probably beyond deterrent, but as proof that we are distinct from them. He may deserve death, but society should not be the ones to administer it. For our sake, not his. It has already been posited that it's a bad idea to sentence with emotion, and for my money that's an undeniable truth. In any case I'm sure we all agree he should not be let out, much less have his sentence reduced, and that question is much better place on which to focus attention, especially since there is no question of his guilt. Edited May 20, 2009 by Gorgon Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelverin Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 No issues with the death penalty. If the accused is judged by his/her peers and is found guilty of murder they should die, the sooner the better. J1 Visa Southern California Cleaning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I want teh kotor 3 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 People who don't support the death penalty confuse me almost as much as socialists do. If you kill someone, you deserve to die, preferably in a worse manner than did the person you killed. Yes, eye for an eye! Blood! Revenge! I'm happy that most of Europe has abolished the death penalty. Damn commies! Oh yeah. I'm definitely a Commie. Because I really just love me some goddamn socialism. And idiotic totalitarianism. And ****ing socialism. Most definitely. /facepalm In 7th grade, I teach the students how Chuck Norris took down the Roman Empire, so it is good that you are starting early on this curriculum. R.I.P. KOTOR 2003-2008 KILLED BY THOSE GREEDY MONEY-HOARDING ************* AND THEIR *****-*** MMOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purkake Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 (edited) People who don't support the death penalty confuse me almost as much as socialists do. If you kill someone, you deserve to die, preferably in a worse manner than did the person you killed. Yes, eye for an eye! Blood! Revenge! I'm happy that most of Europe has abolished the death penalty. Damn commies! Oh yeah. I'm definitely a Commie. Because I really just love me some goddamn socialism. And idiotic totalitarianism. And ****ing socialism. Most definitely. /facepalm I was mocking your stance of socialism. You fail at detecting sarcasm. Edited May 20, 2009 by Purkake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I want teh kotor 3 Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 People who don't support the death penalty confuse me almost as much as socialists do. If you kill someone, you deserve to die, preferably in a worse manner than did the person you killed. Yes, eye for an eye! Blood! Revenge! I'm happy that most of Europe has abolished the death penalty. Damn commies! Oh yeah. I'm definitely a Commie. Because I really just love me some goddamn socialism. And idiotic totalitarianism. And ****ing socialism. Most definitely. /facepalm I was mocking your stance of socialism. You fail at detecting sarcasm. Yeah, I do. In 7th grade, I teach the students how Chuck Norris took down the Roman Empire, so it is good that you are starting early on this curriculum. R.I.P. KOTOR 2003-2008 KILLED BY THOSE GREEDY MONEY-HOARDING ************* AND THEIR *****-*** MMOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aram Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 (edited) I believe guys like this deserve to die. I don't think, however, that there should be a death penalty because I don't think ours or any government, court, or jury is perfect or even adequate enough to handle the responsibility of using it properly. Someone will be and probably has been executed wrongfully because of a mistaken cop, a mistaken judge, or a mistaken jury. There's just too much room for error for a such an ultimate solution. There's probably no mistaking anything about this guy, and I'd be happy to hear of him dying, but you can't make exceptions like that in law, especially not because of emotions. Hell, all we know is what this small web article says, some scrap of information we found on an internet forum, and we're ready to get a rope. It's too easy to be misinformed or plain wrong. Edited May 20, 2009 by Aram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hell Kitty Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I agree with Aram. Being against the death penalty doesn't mean you think everyone can be rehabilitated or you don't believe certain people deserve to die, and it certainly doesn't mean anything as ridiculous as you aren't in touch with your humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I believe guys like this deserve to die. I don't think, however, that there should be a death penalty because I don't think ours or any government, court, or jury is perfect or even adequate enough to handle the responsibility of using it properly. Someone will be and probably has been executed wrongfully because of a mistaken cop, a mistaken judge, or a mistaken jury. There's just too much room for error for a such an ultimate solution. There's probably no mistaking anything about this guy, and I'd be happy to hear of him dying, but you can't make exceptions like that in law, especially not because of emotions. Hell, all we know is what this small web article says, some scrap of information we found on an internet forum, and we're ready to get a rope. It's too easy to be misinformed or plain wrong. That pretty much settles it. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted May 20, 2009 Author Share Posted May 20, 2009 I admit I was being a bit ludicrous, I mean pompous, I mean lyrical. I also reiterate that I'm not saying the death penalty is always right. In fact i agree that it's often wrong in places where it's open for use. I just think that sometimes, in extreme cases, it should be an option say on appeal from the prosecution. I mean, death sentences go to appeal anyway. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelverin Posted May 20, 2009 Share Posted May 20, 2009 I believe guys like this deserve to die. I don't think, however, that there should be a death penalty because I don't think ours or any government, court, or jury is perfect or even adequate enough to handle the responsibility of using it properly. Someone will be and probably has been executed wrongfully because of a mistaken cop, a mistaken judge, or a mistaken jury. There's just too much room for error for a such an ultimate solution. There's probably no mistaking anything about this guy, and I'd be happy to hear of him dying, but you can't make exceptions like that in law, especially not because of emotions. Hell, all we know is what this small web article says, some scrap of information we found on an internet forum, and we're ready to get a rope. It's too easy to be misinformed or plain wrong. That pretty much settles it. Not really "It's too easy to be misinformed or plain wrong." Is it? I think you give criminals too much credit J1 Visa Southern California Cleaning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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