SC: Conviction Lives

[alanschu]

I guess we'll have to see. I'm just bored/annoyed with the angry guy stereotype. If it's there just to get the story going again, it's fine.

 

I think it annoys me because there are quite a few characters who lose any kind of rational thinking and only do crazy stuff because they are really really angry. Can't you have a game where the angry dude just lets it go without killing a million people? Revenge won't bring his daughter back or even give him any real closure...

 

 

 

Who wants to play a game where they decide to avoid all the conflict?

[Purkake]

What are these games that feature a protagonist that kills a million people just because he's angry?

 

God of War and Max Payne to name a few.

 

Who wants to play a game where they decide to avoid all the conflict?

 

If the conflict is manufactured just to get on with the killing, it's not a good conflict. I'm not saying that I want games where the protagonist cries for a week and then goes on with his boring life. It would just be interesting to someone accept the loss without violently lashing out with petty spite.

Edited June 4, 2009 by Purkake

[Cl_Flushentityhero]

I guess we'll have to see. I'm just bored/annoyed with the angry guy stereotype. If it's there just to get the story going again, it's fine.

 

It would instead be better to use another stereotype?

 

Because, let's be honest, that's where the writers of the SC franchise are at.

[Purkake]

I guess we'll have to see. I'm just bored/annoyed with the angry guy stereotype. If it's there just to get the story going again, it's fine.

 

It would instead be better to use another stereotype?

 

Because, let's be honest, that's where the writers of the SC franchise are at.

 

A less used stereotype would be better than an overused one. Just doing missions without any personal story was totally ok in my book.

[Hell Kitty]

Just doing missions without any personal story was totally ok in my book.

 

Geez, that's what they've been doing for four games already. You have an irrational dislike for characters displaying anger, but it's hardly an overused stereotype, especially in this franchise. Pointing to games like God of War and Max Payne and claiming the protagonists kill loads of people just because they are angry is a ridiculous simplification of the story lines and characters in such games.

 

If the conflict is manufactured just to get on with the killing, it's not a good conflict.

 

In what way is the conflict in Max Payne, for example, "manufactured"? That is, any more than any other game that features the player killing countless enemies?

Edited June 5, 2009 by Hell Kitty

[Tigranes]

So is there any sort of gameplay / in-game footage around except for HK's youtube link (now defunct)?

 

I never got into these games (I was horrible at them) but could always see the appeal, really enjoyed what little of Chaos Theory I got to play.

[alanschu]

I don't know if it'd be interesting to have a character lose someone and not have it be an impact as they just move on. It'd just be something that happened during the course of the game, and because it ultimately had no impact on anything, possibly forgettable.

[Hell Kitty]

So is there any sort of gameplay / in-game footage around except for HK's youtube link (now defunct)?

 

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/sc-...gameplay/319592

 

I don't know if it'd be interesting to have a character lose someone and not have it be an impact as they just move on. It'd just be something that happened during the course of the game, and because it ultimately had no impact on anything, possibly forgettable.

 

If a character just "gets over" the death of a loved one, and it doesn't actually impact the story and the character, then there's really no point in including that death.

Edited June 5, 2009 by Hell Kitty

[Maria Caliban]

I've always enjoyed the Splinter Cell games. The stories were interesting, the production value high, and the gameplay consistently good. I played the first three on my X-Box, but not Double Agent. They managed to catch my attention when Thief and Dues Ex were the only examples of stealth-based gameplay.

 

As for character death and its impact: The death of loved ones is a popular trope, and its mere existence isn

[Tigranes]

http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/sc-...gameplay/319592

 

Thanks HK. That looks pretty awesome - great art direction, good atmosphere, useful action maneuvres. AI doesn't look too smart there, but it's not conclusive.

[Azure79]

I've always enjoyed the Splinter Cell games. The stories were interesting, the production value high, and the gameplay consistently good. I played the first three on my X-Box, but not Double Agent. They managed to catch my attention when Thief and Dues Ex were the only examples of stealth-based gameplay.

 

As for character death and its impact: The death of loved ones is a popular trope, and its mere existence isn

[Gorgon]

I tired playing a splinter cell game, but I could never get used to the controls. Also everything seemed a little too trial and error with very limited ways of getting through a level.

[Cl_Flushentityhero]

I tired playing a splinter cell game, but I could never get used to the controls. Also everything seemed a little too trial and error with very limited ways of getting through a level.

 

It's obviously early to tell, though personally I think Conviction looks like a Splinter Cell game for people who don't like Splinter Cell games.

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

That was... pretty intense actually. It looks damn awesome.

[J.E. Sawyer]

I have a feeling you can play it at a slower pace, but the player was executing a thoroughly-rehearsed, action-oriented playthrough.

 

It looks good to me, much better than the hobo chair-hurling Sam Fisher we saw a few years ago.

[alanschu]

Wow this and Alpha Protocol will = some awesomeness for sure!

[cb.spike]

2.23.2010 great new trailer :

 

http://xbox360.ign.com/dor/objects/902601/...hdc_092309.html

 

So, what is the release date for Alpha Protocol again?

[entrerix]

this is the first splinter cell game that actually looks like fun to me. i always thought that a mix between splinter cell and metal gear solid would be a great game. this looks kinda close.

[Cl_Flushentityhero]

It looks good to me, much better than the hobo chair-hurling Sam Fisher we saw a few years ago.

 

Hey, I liked that version!

 

The latest incarnation looks awesome (and almost guaranteed to actually release), though I feel they may have missed out on some gameplay opportunities by trying to appease SC fans.

 

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed all the SC games up to this point, but the franchise has been ready for a change since Chaos Theory. Also, I find SC's fanbase to be some of the most dogmatic, particular, and inflexible people online. They'll argue for the oddest reasons how Double Agent was an irredeemable piece of crap despite its delivery of a competent linear sneaking experience using mechanics largely identical to the first game (and the second game, and the third game). I often find myself wondering how I like the same franchise as these people.

[alanschu]

Double Agent was an irredeemable piece of crap despite its delivery of a competent linear sneaking experience using mechanics largely identical to the first game (and the second game, and the third game). I often find myself wondering how I like the same franchise as these people.

 

Double Agent's biggest failing was the silly overhaul of their stealth system. The sound and visual system of Chaos Theory was great, and for Double Agent we were treated to a simple color coding of green, yellow, and red. And a lack of co-op.

 

I enjoyed Double Agent, but I consider it a large step down from Chaos Theory. Until then, every game was an improvement over the last one.

[Hell Kitty]

I enjoyed Double Agent. I liked the terrorist compound missions which everyone seems to hate. Probably one of the only times in gaming I've felt like a spy.

Edited October 9, 2009 by Hell Kitty

[alanschu]

Yeah Double Agent was still a ton of fun.

 

I enjoyed having to be aware of my surroundings and not get caught in restricted areas.

[Musopticon?]

And Chaos Theory was a bit TOO open and forgiving. As a Thief veteran, it was ridiculously easy compared to the puzzle-like predecessors. I just knocked out everyone and kept whistling.

[Niten_Ryu]

IGN gave 93%

 

I checked the review from youtube and Sam moves like the Predator. They've thrown the old style stealth gaming into trashcan and went with superhero physics. I guess moving slow just ain't option anymore

 

I think I should be happy for the Ubi's new "always online" copy protection system because without it, I probably would have pre-ordered the game. Game is said to be only 5 hours long and there's just no way I'm going to pay full price. I'll wait for Steam holiday sales (if they patch the copy protection system out).

[kirottu]

I thought this was about new Star Control game.

 

Worst thread ever!