Hurlshort Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 You are refering to games that are at least 4 to 7 years old. Get with the times. Take NWN2. It has Neverwinter, West Harbor, Port Llast, Highcliff, and Crossroads Keep was starting to be a town in of itself by the end of it. Oblivion has several cities and towns to explore. Mass Effect is suppose to be a game which we are exploring a GALAXY andnot stuck in a single psuedo-medieval world. There should be quite a number of large cities to explore. Hell, do we even get a chance to go back to and visit Earth? Wait a sec, every place except Neverwinter you mentioned is more of a town or village than a city. Plus, have you even played Mass Effect? Why are you talking about it like an expert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Damn Biowarians not catering to our irrational and unreasonable demands! BURN THEM WITH VELVEETA! Murphy's Law of Computer Gaming: The listed minimum specifications written on the box by the publisher are not the minimum specifications of the game set by the developer. @\NightandtheShape/@ - "Because you're a bizzare strange deranged human?" Walsingham- "Sand - always rushing around, stirring up apathy." Joseph Bulock - "Another headache, courtesy of Sand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Wait a sec, every place except Neverwinter you mentioned is more of a town or village than a city. Plus, have you even played Mass Effect? Why are you talking about it like an expert? I'm not talking like an expert. If I was I would be. Murphy's Law of Computer Gaming: The listed minimum specifications written on the box by the publisher are not the minimum specifications of the game set by the developer. @\NightandtheShape/@ - "Because you're a bizzare strange deranged human?" Walsingham- "Sand - always rushing around, stirring up apathy." Joseph Bulock - "Another headache, courtesy of Sand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 "Plus, have you even played Mass Effect? Why are you talking about it like an expert?" He can read reviews like the rest of us, you know. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Reading some of the posts over there it seems that the game has a few bugs and people are clamouring for a patch. HA! If a console game needs a patch then something is seriously wrong with the programming of the game and the QA department for not catching it. One of the main strengths of consoles is suppose to be their hardware conformity so that developers don't have to worry about patching. If a console game needs patching that is a result of shoddy workmanship. Murphy's Law of Computer Gaming: The listed minimum specifications written on the box by the publisher are not the minimum specifications of the game set by the developer. @\NightandtheShape/@ - "Because you're a bizzare strange deranged human?" Walsingham- "Sand - always rushing around, stirring up apathy." Joseph Bulock - "Another headache, courtesy of Sand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepixiesrock Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 My game has some sort of bug that doesn't let me shoot non-enemies. I demand a patch to rectify this. Lou Gutman, P.I.- It's like I'm not even trying anymore!http://theatomicdanger.iforumer.com/index....theatomicdangerOne billion b-balls dribbling simultaneously throughout the galaxy. One trillion b-balls being slam dunked through a hoop throughout the galaxy. I can feel every single b-ball that has ever existed at my fingertips. I can feel their collective knowledge channeling through my viens. Every jumpshot, every rebound and three-pointer, every layup, dunk, and free throw. I am there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bokishi Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Yeah I noticed this too, It would be great to go GTA on everyone's ass Current 3DMark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_i_am Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 If a console game needs patching that is a result of shoddy workmanship. how...unlike...Bioware. (Approved by Fio, so feel free to use it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 No obvious bugs yet.. load times are as slow as most games' loading times are. *shrug* I do got other issues though... Fun game; but not perfect. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 If a console game needs patching that is a result of shoddy workmanship. how...unlike...Bioware. Its not a problem isolated at Bioware. Murphy's Law of Computer Gaming: The listed minimum specifications written on the box by the publisher are not the minimum specifications of the game set by the developer. @\NightandtheShape/@ - "Because you're a bizzare strange deranged human?" Walsingham- "Sand - always rushing around, stirring up apathy." Joseph Bulock - "Another headache, courtesy of Sand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@\NightandtheShape/@ Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 At least Jade Empire was better than NWN1. Then again, almost anything was better than NWN1. *sigh* I can hear volo beginning his rant already... "I'm a programmer at a games company... REET GOOD!" - Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted November 22, 2007 Author Share Posted November 22, 2007 Rant is short: Sand played the NWN OC 3+ times. He liked the game. He just has to admit it now. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sand Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 I played the NWN1 OC once. The Expansion OCs more than once. I hated the NWN1 OC. I liked the expansion OCs. Murphy's Law of Computer Gaming: The listed minimum specifications written on the box by the publisher are not the minimum specifications of the game set by the developer. @\NightandtheShape/@ - "Because you're a bizzare strange deranged human?" Walsingham- "Sand - always rushing around, stirring up apathy." Joseph Bulock - "Another headache, courtesy of Sand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theslug Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 (edited) Haven't read entire thread and don't plan to. But I got the game and just finished played it after like a 4 hour run. Game is sick as hell. Loving the graphics and somehow loving the combat too. Doesn't bother me what so ever that its a shooter pretty much. I mean I do have some qualms with it. Like unsticking yourself from cover can get annoying when it's not immediate and I've yet to use any skills what so ever. I also haven't used my partners skills or really use them for anything yet since i haven't mastered the commands yet (haven't even figured out how to go into planning interface) but thats becuase I get in the battle and just forget about them completely. Battles are also usually so short that I can handle them alone anyways and they just stand back shooting/taking damage from me. Story so far is very reminiscent of kotor-goodness but much improved. A little repetitive going back and forth between people in citital station but some of the stories have been a little interesting. Citital station is hard to navigate through but you figure it out sooner or later. Right now I'm on my ship planning where I want to go into the wide ol' universe. Edit: Also on the subject of loading and stuff I really haven't had any problems what so ever. Elevator times are extremely exaggerated, doesn't mean they aren't long but it hasn't killed me or annoyed me at all. Also there has only been 2 or 3 times where I've come in counter with a small amount of lag. Loading happens sometimes during gameplay but thats only happened in two parts and wasn't bad at all. And the loading textures things I've noticed maybe 5 times and it was cleared up so quick it didn't really matter. So really all these things combined yeah they flaw the game just a tad but it's really so unnecessarily minimal to the overall experience of the game that it's almost irrelevant. Loving the game so far. Seriously a 9.5/10 game. Edited November 22, 2007 by theslug There was a time when I questioned the ability for the schizoid to ever experience genuine happiness, at the very least for a prolonged segment of time. I am no closer to finding the answer, however, it has become apparent that contentment is certainly a realizable goal. I find these results to be adequate, if not pleasing. Unfortunately, connection is another subject entirely. When one has sufficiently examined the mind and their emotional constructs, connection can be easily imitated. More data must be gleaned and further collated before a sufficient judgment can be reached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Well, my expectation remains unchanged so far (i.e. not expecting anything in terms of combat / sidequest / nonlinearity / exploration but main story should be solid and music/graphics good).... but we'll see. How is the dialogue system? I haven't heard much about that yet, but I haven't been reading game website reviews, since most of them are useless. I'm really thinking that it pretty much turned out as expected - i.e. about, Oblivion dialogue quality. Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theslug Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Dialog has been pretty unremarkable so far but it definitely hasn't been bad. Just nothing has really stood out to be particularly awesome or particularly cheesy/bad. The choices in what you can say are usually quite similar to each other but are still somewhat varied. Usually something like: Obvious good/neutral good/neutral kind of a meany/I'm slightly an a hole. There was a time when I questioned the ability for the schizoid to ever experience genuine happiness, at the very least for a prolonged segment of time. I am no closer to finding the answer, however, it has become apparent that contentment is certainly a realizable goal. I find these results to be adequate, if not pleasing. Unfortunately, connection is another subject entirely. When one has sufficiently examined the mind and their emotional constructs, connection can be easily imitated. More data must be gleaned and further collated before a sufficient judgment can be reached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angshuman Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Well, my expectation remains unchanged so far (i.e. not expecting anything in terms of combat / sidequest / nonlinearity / exploration but main story should be solid and music/graphics good).... but we'll see. How is the dialogue system? I haven't heard much about that yet, but I haven't been reading game website reviews, since most of them are useless. I'm really thinking that it pretty much turned out as expected - i.e. about, Oblivion dialogue quality. From what I've seen thus far (about 2 hours), the dialogue writing and voice-acting quality seems to be at par with KOTOR and Jade Empire (I haven't played Oblivion). The new dialogue choice system isn't offering a vastly different experience from previous Bioware games (which isn't necessarily a bad thing). It works, you feel at home. The only major difference is that the character facial animation and body language during dialogue delivery are superb. It's far from perfect, but a big improvement over any other game I've seen. One thing that's been really annoying is the UI. It's not intuitive, and even after you get familiar with it, some things are really annoying, e.g., inventory management, and cycling through NPC's and items you can interact with. I think it's a combination of stupid design decisions and not enough playtesting to polish and finetune the systems. I'm getting used to the combat, though I hate not being able to micromanage my squadmates. Shepard's combat, though, can be micromanaged (this might not be apparent from the videos), but actually doing this turns out to be a bit tedious. The game's presentation is simply outstanding; the music, graphics and artistic vision come together to give the game a very unique larger-than-life feel. Of course, this wears off slowly as you get more immersed, but the initial impact is definitely significant. Ignoring the annoying quirks and the stellar presentation, I'm finding the game quite enjoyable. The story hasn't developed much since I've only played a little beyond the prologue chapter. I'm really enjoying walking around the Citadel and taking in the gameworld, and reading up all the Codex (an in-game encyclopedia) entries on what seems to be an interesting and well thought-out universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted November 22, 2007 Author Share Posted November 22, 2007 "about, Oblivion dialogue quality." Nothing that bad. BIo's dialogue is as good as it's ever been if not been steadily improving. And, to comapre even BIO's worst dialogue to Oblivion is hilarious! DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigranes Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Good, good. I take it fromi nventory criticism that it pulled the idiotic KOTOR thing again? I mean, it was excusable in Fallout but.. If dialogue is standard bio quality, then yeah, ME looks a decent enough game - another KOTOR / JE - ish game. That's fair enough. After all, who actually believed the hype? Let's Play: Icewind Dale Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Icewind Dale II Ironman (Complete) Let's Play: Divinity II (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG1 (Complete) Let's Play: Baldur's Gate Trilogy Ironman - BG2 (In Progress) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted November 22, 2007 Author Share Posted November 22, 2007 Yeha, they did the KOTOR inventory style thing again. Urgh. Too bad too as I find the equipment rather cool, and the system is a lot deeper than it appears on the surface consideirng there's only 4 basic weapon types. With the ability to add mods to the actual weapon, chnage bullet types, different ranks of weapons, and different prototypes (manufactures) adds up to some variance and choice so not evryone should end up with the same type of pistol or shutgun (at least till the best stuff is found, most likely). DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 KotOR style inventory? Do they even read their own forums? The inventory was one of the worst things with KotOR. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Edge gave ME a good 7. In the same issue, Mario Galaxy got a 10. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Isn't Edge full of Nintendo fanboys? "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Uh? They gave Halo, Halo 3, Orange box, HL2 and Gran Turismo 10's as well. The only other ones made by Nintendo that got 10's where Mario 64 and Zelda: Ocarina of Time. And that's it. No other games have gotten 10's in the magazine's history. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 I don't read it often. I just remember a best games of all time list they put together, and every other game seemed to be a Nintendo game "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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