Judge Hades Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 Bogitry is still very prevalent in the highest offices of our government. I mean it is uite obvious that George W. Bush is a bigot against homosexuals to the point he will not allow them the same civil rights as everyone else purely based on his religious beliefs. Everyone needs someone to hate so they can feel justified and superior to those they hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Moth Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 The past is the past and we should never forget the past, but we should not let it justify the evils going on today nor the future. We need to learn from the past and make sure such things never happen again, but we won't unless it serves our personal interests and/or agenda. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey, I kinda agree with what you said for once! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archmonarch Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 (edited) I mean it is uite obvious that George W. Bush is a bigot against homosexuals to the point he will not allow them the same civil rights as everyone else purely based on his religious beliefs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You've got to look a little deeper. While I admit its certainly possible Bushie has a thing against gays, Id say a political motivation is far more likely. Edited August 7, 2006 by Archmonarch And I find it kind of funny I find it kind of sad The dreams in which I'm dying Are the best I've ever had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 Actually, Bush's agenda against gay marriage is very political. There have been a few interviews about his personal feelings and if you read between the lines, he's a fairly open minded individual. Look, **** Cheney has an openly gay daughter who worked with him on his campaigns. He clearly accepts her, but his party line does not. Bush and company do what they need to do to get elected, personal beliefs are secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 No no no. That will take away from the fun of the Bush bashers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 "I also gotta add, racism is extremely prevalent is the US." I agree. It's obvious that many blacks hate white people, and blame them for everything! P.S. More seriously, sure racism still exists on both sides; but it's nowhere enar as bad as it used to be. It's also very frowned on by the majority of people. There's a reason why slavery has been outlawed, and people can get into a lot of legal trouble if they go too far with thier hatred. It's because society is bigoted against racism. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 I don't give a crap about it being is personal views or political motivations. Only his actions matter and he has acted in a manner that is very prejudicial against those who are homosexual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 I don't give a crap about it being is personal views or political motivations. Only his actions matter and he has acted in a manner that is very prejudicial against those who are homosexual. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, yeah, I agree with you there. Unfortunately 51% of the voters think that's groovy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astr0creep Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 I don't give a crap about it being is personal views or political motivations. Only his actions matter and he has acted in a manner that is very prejudicial against those who are homosexual. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, yeah, I agree with you there. Unfortunately 51% of the voters think that's groovy. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But, but, but... votes can be bought! http://entertainmentandbeyond.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkan Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 Actually, Bush's agenda against gay marriage is very political. There have been a few interviews about his personal feelings and if you read between the lines, he's a fairly open minded individual. Look, **** Cheney has an openly gay daughter who worked with him on his campaigns. He clearly accepts her, but his party line does not. Bush and company do what they need to do to get elected, personal beliefs are secondary. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That doesn't make it any less vile. "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." - Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials "I have also been slowly coming to the realisation that knowledge and happiness are not necessarily coincident, and quite often mutually exclusive" - meta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 There's a reason why slavery has been outlawed, and people can get into a lot of legal trouble if they go too far with thier hatred. It's because society is bigoted against racism. Racism wasn't outlawed because people suddenly started to hate it. It was outlawed because industrialization made it obsolete. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 (edited) "Racism wasn't outlawed because people suddenly started to hate it. It was outlawed because industrialization made it obsolete." Irrellevant. Anyone who tries to claim that racism (white against black or vice versa) is as bad now as it was 'way back when' is blind to the current truth. Again, this doesn't mean racism doesn't exist today; but its nowhere near as prevelant as it used to be. The reasons why slavery was outlawed is irrelvant. *You also seem to be mistaking slavery itself with racism. While they are often interconnected; they are not the same thing.* (IGNORE THIS LINE) Edited August 7, 2006 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 I wrote racism but was thinking slavery. Sorry. :"> "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 Heh. No problem. That can happen. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 So you think that Industrialization has taken away the need for slavery? I'm sorry, but slavery very much exists today, it's just not out in the open. Sweatshops are the modern equivalent of slavery. People are sold in 3rd world countries everyday. But the difference is that most countries actively try to root out such practices. I do agree with you that, historically, industrialization made it easier for nations to end slavery, but I also think human morality plays a huge role. As the world becomes more educated, there is a steady progress of individual rights and worth. It may seem slow, or even going backwards on occassion, but overall the world is becoming a better place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidesco Posted August 7, 2006 Share Posted August 7, 2006 So you think that Industrialization has taken away the need for slavery? I'm sorry, but slavery very much exists today, it's just not out in the open. Sweatshops are the modern equivalent of slavery. People are sold in 3rd world countries everyday. But the difference is that most countries actively try to root out such practices. I do agree with you that, historically, industrialization made it easier for nations to end slavery, but I also think human morality plays a huge role. As the world becomes more educated, there is a steady progress of individual rights and worth. It may seem slow, or even going backwards on occassion, but overall the world is becoming a better place. While I agree more or less wholeheartedly with the first part of your post, I have to say that, from my point of view, the role of human morality in practical affairs is mostly bugger all. In my opinion, it's all about shifts in power. In the case of slavery in the US, for example, the increasing industrialization in the north shifted power and influence towards those states at the expense of the southern states. This change, associated with a traditional rivalry between the north and south, urged people in power to support the abolition of slavery. Another example of such change would be the fight for women's rights all over the world. The suffragists and the feminists would never have gotten anywhere if it wasn't for the two World Wars. In fact I'd say amorality has been the biggest driving force of human prosperity, at least since the reformation, and probably even before it. What seems to me interesting about this is that industrial and economic progress seems to invariably lead to moral progress, as well. So, in my view, morality isn't necessary to progress, but the inverse is true. P.S.: 3rd world countries are mostly not industrialized. And working in sweatshops isn't slavery. It's pretty close to it, but not quite. "My hovercraft is full of eels!" - Hungarian touristI am Dan Quayle of the Romans.I want to tattoo a map of the Netherlands on my nether lands.Heja Sverige!!Everyone should cuffawkle more.The wrench is your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 May I remind the forum that the British Empire was one of the first, if not the first European powers to not only outlaw slavery, but to direct HM Navy to seize and return slaves to Africa. But to give due credit to Pidesco, we did that in part because our economy had moved on from slavery while our competitors - France and the US - were still dependent on it. However I think it's wrong to suggest that it was purely venal, even if that was a strong part of the case. Just as I doubt the US Cibvil war was purely venal. As for slavery being ongoing, the fact is that it still does occur in many societies, particularly in Africa (that I know of). Where children are used. There is also sex slavery worldwide and even in 'civilised' countries. However, sweatshops are not slavery. One does not buy a slave and then mistreat them to the extent that they cannot work. A slave is an investment. It has to be maintained. While a non-unionised worker is a throw-away item to be used up and dispatched. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Man, I had to look up venal. Interesting choice. Much different than venereal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Man, I had to look up venal. Interesting choice. Much different than venereal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Venereal has its part to play in state decision making. Just look at Bob 'shaking hands' Mugabe. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigboy2 Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Every thing comes with an expiration date, even corn. "Your total disregard for the law and human decency both disgusts me and touches my heart. Bless you, sir." "Soilent Green is people. This guy's just a homeless heroin junkie who got in a internet caf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Every thing comes with an expiration date, even corn. Honey doesnt. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Every thing comes with an expiration date, even corn. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What about twinkies? "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krookie Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I don't think soda goes bad either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astr0creep Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Neither does Cheez Wiz. Mmmmmm Cheez Wiz... http://entertainmentandbeyond.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musopticon? Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I don't think brain matter expires either. Not in ze nourishment pod at leezt! Mawhahhaaa! kirottu said: I was raised by polar bears. I had to fight against blood thirsty wolves and rabid penguins to get my food. Those who were too weak to survive were sent to Sweden. It has made me the man I am today. A man who craves furry hentai. So let us go and embrace the rustling smells of unseen worlds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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