LadyCrimson Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 (edited) What Di said about draft etc, I agree with also. In terms of the voluntary aspect - there's more social training (or whatever) that encourages males vs. females and thus (so far) less females have a desire to be career military (or any military...). But if a gal wants to, signs up, and passes all the training/tests/whatever (and then there's combat during her service), she should be allowed, most certainly. It's like in LoTR films, where that lady says in reference to the hobbit, 'why should he not be allowed to fight for/with his friends/cause also?' (I'm paraphrasing...) Edited May 9, 2006 by LadyCrimson “Things are as they are. Looking out into the universe at night, we make no comparisons between right and wrong stars, nor between well and badly arranged constellations.” – Alan Watts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 just as long as they don't start screwing after a battle... Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterSun Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Of course women should be allowed to join the Army. It gives the men someone to do between battles. master of my domain Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Skywalker Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 the biggest problem with it is the way men are wired. men will seek to protect women even if it does not make military sense to do so. also, if a man and a woman are both captured, a man will go through great lengths to see that the woman is not tortured, possibly compromising the mission at hand. in short: NO, women should not be allowed to serve in Combat Arms divsions of the military. support roles (as now) are a bit different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumquatq3 Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 the biggest problem with it is the way men are wired.men will seek to protect women even if it does not make military sense to do so. **** that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 I'd have a hard time shooting a woman. Especially if she was cute. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No you wouldn't. Ask any VietNam vet who has seen an adorable female sidle up and try to drop a grenade into a friend's jeep if he had the slightest hesitation in pulling the trigger to stop her. War is hell. In war, their are only two kinds of people... those who are enemies and those who are not. As for the quetion, of course women should be allowed in combat. And if there is ever another involuntary draft, God forbid, women should be drafted right along side their male counterparts. It is entirely unfair, IMHO, to ask half of our society to do all the fighting and dying so the other half can sit at home playing Rosie the Riveter and making goo-goo eyes at all the 4-F males who slipped under the radar. Ladies, please don't stone me. I have both sons and daughters; I believe they have equal responsibility for and in this society, and that includes equal responsibility to protect it militarily. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I would add that, considering the ad hoc tactics nearly ALL militia have OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 the biggest problem with it is the way men are wired.men will seek to protect women even if it does not make military sense to do so. **** that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd be too preoccupied saving my own ass. I had a female sarge on a power trip in my platoon, it wasn't pretty. (neither was she) DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumquatq3 Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 it is arguably safer for women to be issued guns and uniforms ... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I recommend catholic school girl outfits, you know, to blend into the urban warfare environments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucius Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 (edited) Catholic school girl outfits with M16 assault rifles? Neat. Edited May 9, 2006 by Lucius DENMARK! It appears that I have not yet found a sig to replace the one about me not being banned... interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kumquatq3 Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Catholic school girl outfits with M16 assault rifles? Neat. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> shock and awe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 how about the Lizzies? Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepixiesrock Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Allow me to bring up something from the previous page. I'd have a hard time shooting a woman. Especially if she was cute. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No you wouldn't. Ask any VietNam vet who has seen an adorable female sidle up and try to drop a grenade into a friend's jeep if he had the slightest hesitation in pulling the trigger to stop her. War is hell. In war, their are only two kinds of people... those who are enemies and those who are not. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You don't know if he would have a hard time shooting someone or not. Not everyone reacts the same way. Lou Gutman, P.I.- It's like I'm not even trying anymore!http://theatomicdanger.iforumer.com/index....theatomicdangerOne billion b-balls dribbling simultaneously throughout the galaxy. One trillion b-balls being slam dunked through a hoop throughout the galaxy. I can feel every single b-ball that has ever existed at my fingertips. I can feel their collective knowledge channeling through my viens. Every jumpshot, every rebound and three-pointer, every layup, dunk, and free throw. I am there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metadigital Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Shooting would be easy ... the ramifications of the shooting would be more serious ... OBSCVRVM PER OBSCVRIVS ET IGNOTVM PER IGNOTIVS OPVS ARTIFICEM PROBAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
213374U Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 I'm all for women in combat roles, if and when they are just as able as any male soldier. The point of the military is not to be a fair, humane, and egalitarian organisation. The idea is to, if it comes to that, win wars by whatever means necessary. You can't have a military unit's operational ability compromised or reduced just because everyone wants in. If they don't reduce training regimes and application requirements for cripples and morbidly obese male applicants, why should they for women? You don't know if he would have a hard time shooting someone or not. Not everyone reacts the same way.That may be true, but I'm inclined to believe that live fire tends to bring out the best (worst?) of our animal instincts. Chances are you'd shoot first, realize it's a woman later. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 Israel, that is considered one of the best trained armies in the world, has compulsory draft for all men and women (alright not ALL, there are exceptions, but most). They seem to be doing fine. Of course, the women only have two years of mandatory conscription where the men has three, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyric Suite Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Should women be allowed, in combat roles in the military? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Yes, viewed as such but I never could get my head around why a person would want to own another person. It seems a rather silly concept. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Because people enjoy power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Why? The more power you have the more responsibility you get, and the greaterthe responsibility means greater the paperwork which sucks big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 (edited) If you don't already recognize the desire for power that some people have, I probably can't explain it to you anyways. Especially given the medieval context of chivalry and the decided lack of paperwork that would have existed in owning a slave. Edited May 10, 2006 by alanschu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 I know I don't have any desire for power. I have no right to tell people what to do and no one has the right to tell me what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 The world is full of those who desire power and the control of others. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Yeah, those types makes the world a hell for everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Raven Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Some times. Hades was the life of the party. RIP You'll be missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Hades Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 All the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanschu Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 (edited) Uh huh. Thankfully, there are those that are interested in our society that are interested enough in social and economic power to finance the video games we like to play. Edited May 10, 2006 by alanschu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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