master_pendrak Posted August 8, 2005 Posted August 8, 2005 they're both the same practically.... or was i playing a different game?
BattleCookiee Posted August 8, 2005 Posted August 8, 2005 Only the map of the masters (so in Kotor1 including shop and pazaak room) Or the whole enclave (So also Kotor2's Sub-level)?
Sikon Posted August 8, 2005 Author Posted August 8, 2005 The ground level, not the sublevel. They are not exactly the same. Even the exterior is different: http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Image:Jedienclave.jpg http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Image:...ilt_enclave.jpg And differences in the interior are more significant. Previously, the Council hall was covered by a rather low ceiling, now it's under the open sky.
BattleCookiee Posted August 8, 2005 Posted August 8, 2005 So, we are talking about the outside now? Since your pics show that The (KOTOR1) rodian selling good stuff, Jedi and such walking around, entrance to Vision Tomb) The (KOTOR2) Salvage camp, alot of destruction) Or (ignoring the pics) about the map of the Masters?
GhostofAnakin Posted August 8, 2005 Posted August 8, 2005 The original *looked* nicer, but the rebuilt one gets my vote because it gave you more things to do (ie. sublevels and such). "Console exclusive is such a harsh word." - Darque"Console exclusive is two words Darque." - Nartwak (in response to Darque's observation)
Sikon Posted August 8, 2005 Author Posted August 8, 2005 I'm referring to the Enclave itself. As a building. Not to the courtyard, not to the sublevel, not to the surroundings.
Krookie Posted August 8, 2005 Posted August 8, 2005 I voted 'original' because the 'rebuilt' one looks like Helms Deep from the Lord of the Rings and I just can't picture a Jedi vs. Orc crusade in the Courtyard "
jodo kast 5 Posted August 8, 2005 Posted August 8, 2005 I voted 'original' because the 'rebuilt' one looks like Helms Deep from the Lord of the Rings and I just can't picture a Jedi vs. Orc crusade in the Courtyard " <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Do it for the Shire! But the non-rebuilt gets my vote
Deraldin Posted August 8, 2005 Posted August 8, 2005 The ground level, not the sublevel.They are not exactly the same. Even the exterior is different: http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Image:Jedienclave.jpg http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Image:...ilt_enclave.jpg And differences in the interior are more significant. Previously, the Council hall was covered by a rather low ceiling, now it's under the open sky. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Judging by how it is only partially rebuilt as show by the piles of rubble blocking off certain sections one could assume that the ceiling in the Council chamber has just not bee finished yet. If you look at the two pictures that you posted you will see that the basic design of the building is exactly the same in the before and after photos. I would guess that if the building were to be completely finished it would likely look almost exactly the same as in the original. Anyway, I like the original, because it's finished. "
darthbass123 Posted August 8, 2005 Posted August 8, 2005 The ground level, not the sublevel.They are not exactly the same. Even the exterior is different: http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Image:Jedienclave.jpg http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Image:...ilt_enclave.jpg And differences in the interior are more significant. Previously, the Council hall was covered by a rather low ceiling, now it's under the open sky. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Judging by how it is only partially rebuilt as show by the piles of rubble blocking off certain sections one could assume that the ceiling in the Council chamber has just not bee finished yet. If you look at the two pictures that you posted you will see that the basic design of the building is exactly the same in the before and after photos. I would guess that if the building were to be completely finished it would likely look almost exactly the same as in the original. Anyway, I like the original, because it's finished. " <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That is the same reason why I voted for the original.
Sikon Posted August 9, 2005 Author Posted August 9, 2005 Judging by how it is only partially rebuilt as show by the piles of rubble blocking off certain sectionsA pile of rubble only blocks the path to the landing pad where the Ebon Hawk was in the first game, whoch doesn't need any rebuilding, only cleaning.
Master_Vrook Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 They both ended up having a beautiful atmosphere, but I like the ruins a little bit more because it evokes slightly more feelings
Deraldin Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Judging by how it is only partially rebuilt as show by the piles of rubble blocking off certain sectionsA pile of rubble only blocks the path to the landing pad where the Ebon Hawk was in the first game, whoch doesn't need any rebuilding, only cleaning. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I seem to recall that the other path up to where the rooms were was also blocked off however that might just be in the ruined state before the rebuilding.
julianw Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 The original seems more interesting. It's filled with different people instead of hordes of stupid monsters.
CoM_Solaufein Posted August 9, 2005 Posted August 9, 2005 Rebuilt since you can access other areas. War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is StrengthBaldur's Gate moddingTeamBGBaldur's Gate modder/community leaderBaldur's Gate - Enhanced Edition beta testerBaldur's Gate 2 - Enhanced Edition beta tester Icewind Dale - Enhanced Edition beta tester
dufflover Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 I say original cos it's in one clean looking piece. Pure Pazaak - The Stand-alone Multiplayer Pazaak Game (link to Obsidian board thread) Pure Pazaak website (big thank you to fingolfin)
QeL_Droma Posted August 10, 2005 Posted August 10, 2005 Of course the original enclave is better no need to discussion at this point.
Carnage Posted August 11, 2005 Posted August 11, 2005 I say original cos it's in one clean looking piece. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes,great big holes in the roof can bring out the worst in a place
Sikon Posted August 11, 2005 Author Posted August 11, 2005 Of course the original enclave is better no need to discussion at this point.The discussion obviously shows that it's not "of course" and there is need for a discussion.
Styur Voln Posted November 25, 2005 Posted November 25, 2005 THe KotOR1 enclave has to be better for a couple of reasons. 1) It's a nice place, not some abandoned wreck anyone but a salvager would enter. 2) There's a lot of people there, all the jedi, all the NPCs etc. 3) The design's good, and the outside look is good.
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