TetsuJedi Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 There are a lot of KotOR2 pics with Atris versus Darth Nihilus, even on the cover of the KotOR2 box, versus a Sith Assassin. I've finished the game as a Jedi Sentinel(15)/Watchman(15) and the only times I've seen Atris fight were (1) versus Jedi Brianna in the Telos Academy hall and (2) versus the Exile in the same main hall and (2.5) a continuation in her Meditation Chamber. Does Atris have any (more) duels/fights if the Exile is played as Dark Side? (Does Atris have any (more) duels/fights which were cut from the final game release?) :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegis Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Not that I know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoHunter Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I have never seen or heard of a Jedi Brianna nor seen any other fights with Atris. I have only fought her in her Meditation Chamber on Telos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitty_with_a_lightsaber Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Just a guess but I'd say that they had a fight for her against someone else and it was cut from the final print of the game. By the time they put out the game they typically already have covers printed and packages waiting for each cd to be written...so the cover was probably done before the game was even cut short. Yet another one of the little things we missed out on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediExile Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I have never seen or heard of a Jedi Brianna nor seen any other fights with Atris. I have only fought her in her Meditation Chamber on Telos. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Brianna = Handmaiden After you turn her to a Jedi she eventually tells you her name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Storm Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 It was just the way it turned out. I too thought it was silly that Atris seemed like this great light sided Jedi, with a voice of an angel, while Nihilus would be the main bad guy. But art can fool the greatest of minds. And yes, there was an Atris scene (s) cut from the original game. It was supposed to be that Atris might have been the Traya instead of Kreia. But they cut that out. Although they left the dialouge and models intact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunhilde Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 When Kreia was talking to Atris near the end I though 'oh my god, Atris is this Darth Traya person and she's going to be the end boss, nice!' then was dissapointed that I was wrong. It's somewhat reasuring to find out that I could have been right if the game wasn't cut down. I mean, it made sense, she was obviously supposed to be a much bigger character than she ended up being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Sherpa Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Seeing as how it always cut back to the academy, she probably should have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuJedi Posted March 18, 2005 Author Share Posted March 18, 2005 I kept waiting for a scene where Atris would stop complaining about how "'the Exile betrayed her..." , realize how much she felt/feels for him, that his actions then were 'right', or at least see what he is doing now to correct the situation and actually help. A romance sub-plot with her doesn't sound like a bad idea anyway. Kreia actually had to tell her bluntly. Would have been really nice to see her in combat as a party member, or at least in a cutscene. Atris as a character, I found, interesting. On another note, plot revealing Atris as Sith, or at least somewhat corrupted by the Dark Side was not really a big surprise (probably not intended anyway) since her manner of tone at the Exile's trial and her reasoning are unlike what one would hear/expect from one on the Jedi Council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Sherpa Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 And of course she is wearing a white robe and her hair is white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuJedi Posted March 18, 2005 Author Share Posted March 18, 2005 And of course she is wearing a white robe and her hair is white. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, and flesh not corrupted or decaying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Sherpa Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 It makes her being Darth Traya even more fitting. Generally, white is associated with purity; that's one of the reaons why wedding dresses are always white. You wouldn't expect someone as pure as Atris to betray you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthValia Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Yeah the whole point of 'darth traya' is that they are betrayers that were betrayed. Atris would have been perfect. She assumed the Exhile betrayed her when they went to war with Revan, so Atris betraying the Exhile would have made perfect sense. Bah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Quasar Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 And of course she is wearing a white robe and her hair is white. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, and flesh not corrupted or decaying. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The "Darth Traya" version of Atris (that was left in game files but never used) showed a much different (yet just as as great looking) wardrobe. As for face....eh....well maybe she uses lots of face cream. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoffe -mkb- Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 The "Darth Traya" version of Atris (that was left in game files but never used) showed a much different (yet just as as great looking) wardrobe. As for face....eh....well maybe she uses lots of face cream. :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You mean this one? Wouldn't recognize that it was Atris just by looking at it. Looks a bit creepy in a way. Darth Traya screenshot The "Sith" in this game seems to prefer hoods with a flat top for some reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakron Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I think it was cut because Disney would sue ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellypie Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 OMG you're right!! She looks like the evil Queen from Snow White. "They might not call you a Jedi anymore, but believe me, you are. It's not the sort of thing that you just stop being. You're stuck with it, just like you're stuck being the General." ~Bao-Dur, Knights of the Old Republic: The Sith Lords Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoHunter Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 That's not Darth Traya. That's not Atris. That's...that's...that's THE EMPEROR'S great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandmother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dufflover Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 She's got the whole angelic LS look, her face is plastered all over the promo's and well, seems they had a big change in plans. "You're cut!" - Homer Simpson as Peewee Football Coach I think Atris and Nihilus were going to be the big baddies as indicated by all the art stuff, but one possible reason for cutting (or redesigned very early in development as it seems) the Atris related bits were because it would've seemed too KotOR 1 - a Jedi who has feelings for you turns into a Baddie. (Bastila) Don't get me wrong, I would've liked her to admitting she liked you even if it was repetitive. Pure Pazaak - The Stand-alone Multiplayer Pazaak Game (link to Obsidian board thread) Pure Pazaak website (big thank you to fingolfin) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoffe -mkb- Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 She's got the whole angelic LS look, her face is plastered all over the promo's and well, seems they had a big change in plans.(snip) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I doubt it. What would the point be in giving away the story in the concept art? The concept art presents character concepts from the game, it isn't hand-drawn screenshots. (Though on a tangent developer screenshots do have a tendency of showing situations that aren't in-game either. For example of the three screenshots at the back of the UK TSL box, two of them are of situations that can't happen in-game. A saber-wielding Exile on the Telos Plateau and a female Exile with the Handmaiden in the party ) I think Atris is used as a symbol of the Jedi in the concept art since the appearance of the Exile is not fixed, and her frosty, white appearance makes a nice contrast to the dark clothing of Nihilus and Sion. Perhaps she was intended as a party member once, but I hardly think there was any big showdown between Atris and Nihilus. Any encounter between them would be over in seconds, with Nihilus leaving her a drained, lifeless corpse on the ground having fed on her power. She is a "normal" Jedi and would be able to resist Nihilus power no more than the hundreds of Jedi that gathered on Katarr. Only the Exile would stand a chance againt Nihilus since the Exile's the flipside of his coin. I also think it would make little sense if Atris had been the original Darth Traya end boss. She's a jedi unable to confront her emotions about the Exile, which leaves her vulnerable to the dark side. That doesn't instantly make someone a Sith Lord, or a puppet master. When K told Atris that "There must always be a Darth Traya", I think she was actually refering to herself taking up that mantle again. But K wanted Atris to believe she was refering to her, to turn her against the Exile so that closure could be brought to that part of the Exile's past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hive Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Perhaps she was intended as a party member once<snip><{POST_SNAPBACK}> I expect that she was, since she have a party portrait hidden in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Phantom Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I kept waiting for a scene where Atris would stop complaining about how "'the Exile betrayed her..." , realize how much she felt/feels for him, that his actions then were 'right', or at least see what he is doing now to correct the situation and actually help. A romance sub-plot with her doesn't sound like a bad idea anyway. Kreia actually had to tell her bluntly. Would have been really nice to see her in combat as a party member, or at least in a cutscene. Atris as a character, I found, interesting. On another note, plot revealing Atris as Sith, or at least somewhat corrupted by the Dark Side was not really a big surprise (probably not intended anyway) since her manner of tone at the Exile's trial and her reasoning are unlike what one would hear/expect from one on the Jedi Council. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My current Fanfic (I finally found a name I quite like) deals with this, but it is not a key part of the story. However, her troubles do involve her delving into Sith knowledge in anger, and... Oops, I almost told some of the story... Geekified Star Wars Geek Heart of the Force, Arm of the Force "Only a Sith deals in absolutes!" -Obi-wan to Anakin (NOT advocating Grey-Jedidom) "The Force doesn't control people, Kreia controls people." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
><FISH'> Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 just got force crush....i used it twice on atris and she fell like a bean o.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycked Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 It makes her being Darth Traya even more fitting. Generally, white is associated with purity; that's one of the reaons why wedding dresses are always white. You wouldn't expect someone as pure as Atris to betray you. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Atris? Pure? Allow me to steal a phrase from Atton and say "Pure my eye". Atris just so far from pure that even Hanharr is like an angel next to her. She really looks stupid as Darth Traya. It's good they didnt put her in there, at lesat not like THAT... Atris to Exile: So you have come. Now the appreantice must kill the master. Exile: HAHAHAHAHA!!! Atris: <_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoffe -mkb- Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Perhaps she was intended as a party member once<snip><{POST_SNAPBACK}> I expect that she was, since she have a party portrait hidden in the game. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> True, she has a portrait, but so does B4-D4 (The Czerka protocol droid) and 3C-FD (T3s sidekick in the Prologue) and Bao-Dur's Remote, but they didn't stay in your party for all that long. It's hard to know for sure from a portrait if she was only supposed to join you briefly or if she was a permanent party member at some point during development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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