Darth Gizka Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 i have very low charisma characters, and even after item boosting don't go above 15 or so... i haven't noticed any bonuses to my npcs hitting things, or reduced cost in using opposite alignment powers... anyone have a high charisma character who's getting bonuses? looks like another game bug, but wanted to see if anyone has noticed bonuses before posting on the technical support forum. oh yeah...try force body...its obviously going to work best with a lightside guardian with low wis using darkside powers, but it really works well with a lightside consular with indecently high con...
jaguars4ever Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 The reduced Force Powe opposed alignment cost is pre-factored in; it doesn't show up on the force powerr cost calculations or the 'adjusted' force power chart under the power tab. But it is there and active. As for the party member NPC BaB bonus: That only shows up in their attack ombat feedback calculations, not on their stat 'to hit' screen.
Kalfear Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 The reduced Force Powe opposed alignment cost is pre-factored in; it doesn't show up on the force powerr cost calculations or the 'adjusted' force power chart under the power tab. But it is there and active. As for the party member NPC BaB bonus: That only shows up in their attack ombat feedback calculations, not on their stat 'to hit' screen. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Charisma also helps get more conversation options (in adjunction with persuation) if I remember correctly I always tried to have a 16-18 charisma myself Kalfear Disco and Dragons Avatar Enlarged
jaguars4ever Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 The reduced Force Powe opposed alignment cost is pre-factored in; it doesn't show up on the force powerr cost calculations or the 'adjusted' force power chart under the power tab. But it is there and active. As for the party member NPC BaB bonus: That only shows up in their attack ombat feedback calculations, not on their stat 'to hit' screen. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Charisma also helps get more conversation options (in adjunction with persuation) if I remember correctly I always tried to have a 16-18 charisma myself <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh, and it also helps tug your party members closer to your alignment.
KOTORFanactic Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 Oh, and it also helps tug your party members closer to your alignment. That is if the influence system actually works. From what I have heard from US XBox users on these forums, it has been implemented wrong. Something about no matter what you do, they stick to their alignment. This might just be because of low charisma, or Obsidian did screw influence, for whatever reason. I just hope it works in some way for the PC version.
Jad'en Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 Oh, and it also helps tug your party members closer to your alignment. That is if the influence system actually works. From what I have heard from US XBox users on these forums, it has been implemented wrong. Something about no matter what you do, they stick to their alignment. This might just be because of low charisma, or Obsidian did screw influence, for whatever reason. I just hope it works in some way for the PC version. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes but you must remember some people on these forums and wangmungers The influence system does work, however needs altering for the next game. The bug people whine about isnt really that bigger deal.
Plooby Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 I played with a very high Charisma and I had Visas, Atton, Bao Dur, Mira and Disciple all getting "shooting stars" on the Light Side chart... and I could use the DS powers (which are very fun!) without paying a big penalty. :D
jaguars4ever Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 I played with a very high Charisma and I had Visas, Atton, Bao Dur, Mira and Disciple all getting "shooting stars" on the Light Side chart... and I could use the DS powers (which are very fun!) without paying a big penalty. :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> *applauds* :D
KOTORFanactic Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 I played with a very high Charisma and I had Visas, Atton, Bao Dur, Mira and Disciple all getting "shooting stars" on the Light Side chart... and I could use the DS powers (which are very fun!) without paying a big penalty. I think I know which attribute I am maxing out on!
jaguars4ever Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 I played with a very high Charisma and I had Visas, Atton, Bao Dur, Mira and Disciple all getting "shooting stars" on the Light Side chart... and I could use the DS powers (which are very fun!) without paying a big penalty. I think I know which attribute I am maxing out on! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It also adds modifiers to your Force Powers and increases Force Points gained per level retroactively.
envida Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 I always have high charisma, mainly from a role playing view since I'm supposed to be a great leader. Oh and it's great for force powers opposite your alignment. I always go Heal and force storm no matter if am ls or ds
Epiphany Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 I always have high charisma, mainly from a role playing view since I'm supposed to be a great leader. Oh and it's great for force powers opposite your alignment. I always go Heal and force storm no matter if am ls or ds <{POST_SNAPBACK}> hmmm So you roleplay your character per his "leadership", but you don't roleplay them per the force powers of light/dark? Interesting... :ph34r:
Darth Gizka Posted January 23, 2005 Author Posted January 23, 2005 I played with a very high Charisma and I had Visas, Atton, Bao Dur, Mira and Disciple all getting "shooting stars" on the Light Side chart... and I could use the DS powers (which are very fun!) without paying a big penalty. :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> how high? I still love maxing out my dex...but maybe...
213374U Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 I always have high charisma, mainly from a role playing view since I'm supposed to be a great leader. Oh and it's great for force powers opposite your alignment. I always go Heal and force storm no matter if am ls or ds <{POST_SNAPBACK}> hmmm So you roleplay your character per his "leadership", but you don't roleplay them per the force powers of light/dark? Interesting... :ph34r: You beat me to it. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
NeverwinterKnight Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 I always have high charisma, mainly from a role playing view since I'm supposed to be a great leader. Oh and it's great for force powers opposite your alignment. I always go Heal and force storm no matter if am ls or ds <{POST_SNAPBACK}> hmmm So you roleplay your character per his "leadership", but you don't roleplay them per the force powers of light/dark? Interesting... :ph34r: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i tend to do the opposite. when i use a lightside character i tend to "roleplay" that alignment and only choose lightside powers. vice versa with darkside characters.
Adan Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 i tend to do the opposite. when i use a lightside character i tend to "roleplay" that alignment and only choose lightside powers. vice versa with darkside characters. Me to, but i've convinced myself it's ok to use choke as ls since luke "appeared" to use it on two gamorreans in episode 6
Darth Gizka Posted January 23, 2005 Author Posted January 23, 2005 well... i probably won't put any points in charisma... the only part i'm interested in is the force cost reduction.. and force body is unbelievably cheesy... i've cast like 4 force storms fully lightside and spent less than 70 points... you then cast master heal right away, before the force body runs out, and you get back 40-80 vitality points, which completely cancels the vitality cost... can someone please tell me how much charisma i need for major reductions in force costs?
jaguars4ever Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 well... i probably won't put any points in charisma... the only part i'm interested in is the force cost reduction.. and force body is unbelievably cheesy... i've cast like 4 force storms fully lightside and spent less than 70 points... you then cast master heal right away, before the force body runs out, and you get back 40-80 vitality points, which completely cancels the vitality cost... : Sounds like a good tactic. can someone please tell me how much charisma i need for major reductions in force costs? Every even integer increase in Charisma will result in opposed force point reduction. That is, everytime the charisma modifers goes up, opposite aligned force powers get cheaper.
NeverwinterKnight Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 Me to, but i've convinced myself it's ok to use choke as ls since luke "appeared" to use it on two gamorreans in episode 6 <{POST_SNAPBACK}> haha i do that as well. i pick one force power that is "opposite" from whatever my alignment is as my way of roleplaying "temptation". for instance, ill have maybe first level force shock, or force choke as my sole darkside power to roleplay that as my lightside characters temptation to fall to the darkside. vice versa, ill pick force stun or something as my darkside characters one sole "stun rather than kill" power.
Adan Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 Anyone else think stun driod looks way to much like lighting to really roleplay it as light? :ph34r: i never choose it, and end up fighting driods for way longer than i should.
NeverwinterKnight Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 destroy droid looks very similar to force lightnight, but i think the reason why its not a darkside power is the fact that droids arent considered "living", so just like a jedi using a power against water or against a stone brick isnt darkside, neither is anything against a droid.
Adan Posted January 23, 2005 Posted January 23, 2005 destroy droid looks very similar to force lightnight, but i think the reason why its not a darkside power is the fact that droids arent considered "living", so just like a jedi using a power against water or against a stone brick isnt darkside, neither is anything against a droid. Still not convinced, i would like to see a new effect more like fear or some such. The whole lighting thing is just to aggresive an act for me, for it to feel right
envida Posted January 24, 2005 Posted January 24, 2005 I always have high charisma, mainly from a role playing view since I'm supposed to be a great leader. Oh and it's great for force powers opposite your alignment. I always go Heal and force storm no matter if am ls or ds hmmm So you roleplay your character per his "leadership", but you don't roleplay them per the force powers of light/dark? Interesting... :ph34r: You got me there :ph34r: But since you are playing a character that hasn't always been good, it's not a far stretch to say you have knowledge of both light and dark powers is it? And what's wrong with using force powers of opposite alignment? Can't see way a dark side player shouldn
jaguars4ever Posted January 24, 2005 Posted January 24, 2005 destroy droid looks very similar to force lightnight, but i think the reason why its not a darkside power is the fact that droids arent considered "living", so just like a jedi using a power against water or against a stone brick isnt darkside, neither is anything against a droid. Still not convinced, i would like to see a new effect more like fear or some such. The whole lighting thing is just to aggresive an act for me, for it to feel right <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Plus, once you get off Peragus, that tree of force powers is pretty much redundent.
NeverwinterKnight Posted January 24, 2005 Posted January 24, 2005 destroy droid looks very similar to force lightnight, but i think the reason why its not a darkside power is the fact that droids arent considered "living", so just like a jedi using a power against water or against a stone brick isnt darkside, neither is anything against a droid. Still not convinced, i would like to see a new effect more like fear or some such. The whole lighting thing is just to aggresive an act for me, for it to feel right <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Plus, once you get off Peragus, that tree of force powers is pretty much redundent. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> its useful on go-tos yaght (sp?)
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