darkjedijoe Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 I was just reading about a ceremony in star wars episode 3 where Anakin gets named Darth Vader. It got me thinking about how cool it would be, if in kotor 2 , when you turn to dark side and became the rank of Sith Lord then you could change your name from what it was to Darth Somethingorother. And id also like to see lightside characters try to turn you back from the darkside.
Drakron Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 No, its not. In the prequels the Sith are hidding and so adapt a diferent name to make it harder for people to track then, Palpatine and Dooku taken diferent names to throw people offtrack of who the Sith lords were are. Anakin becaming Vader have a strong simbolism behind it but its because Anakin hates who he became and not because of some "sith" pride. Having a "sith" name have no logic since the Sith at that time were acting in open and usually did not to put up a show as Palpatine and Dooku had, in public Palpatine was the Chancellor of the Republic abd in public Dooku was the leader of the Separatist movement that was breaking away because of the Sith infulence on the senate. The Sith route in TSL is likely taking control over the diferent Sith fractions and unite the Sith, no reason of why the main character have to hide his role as unite the Sith under his command.
NInjaPirate Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 They also changed Anakins name to Darth Vader because it means father in Dutch.
OLD SKOOL WHEELMAN Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 What about INvader, or INsidious, or was it just a coincidence? As for the Sith names for your character, I'll have to go with Drakron on this one...
Darth_Gandalf Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 Hence, it's Darth Revan, Darth Malak, Darth Bandon. They don't change their names, because secrecy is not their goal. "You shall not pass!"
OLD SKOOL WHEELMAN Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 I guess that's the end of this thread...
Quasar Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 Still, having people call you "My lord Darth wossname" would be cool.
EnderAndrew Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 Anakin died and was reborn. Thusly he took on a new name. The in- rule doesn't work with Maul, Tyranus, Bandol, Revan, etc.
tripleRRR Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 Like lots of rules that made sense in the original trilogy, they are now cast aside by Lucas in I & II. TripleRRR Using a gamepad to control an FPS is like trying to fight evil through maple syrup.
EnderAndrew Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 The original trilogy only had one Darth. There wasn't a rule. Sifodius also doesn't work.
Drakron Posted June 28, 2004 Posted June 28, 2004 Tyranus is Dooku and Dooku is the one behind the separatist movment that is breaking away because of the Sith influence in the senate. What Dooku says to Obi is the same he said to the separatist movement, they are not following Darth Tyranus to rule the galaxy, they are following Dooku because the Republic is being controled by a Sith. Sifodius was not a Sith, he was a menber of the Jedi council that died and Palpatine use his name to order the creation of the Clone Army as ordered by the Jedi, he could not order it as Cancellor or as Sidious because he wants to blame the Jedi down the line (besides other reasons, the senate would remove him from his position if he order the creation of a army) and the reason of why Dooku hired Jango under the Tyranus name is because he wanted the Republic attack the separatists because Tyranus is a Sith. There is a massive deception being done around the creation of the Separatist movment, the Clone Army and the Clone War, a lot of things we see in Ep II will only make sense in Ep III. As for Palpatine ... Palpatine does not care about the Sith and Palpatine power is still under the idea that he saved the galaxy from the folly of the republic and the jedi, Lucas is doing right because Palpatine never shows his force abilities for a good reason, the image Palpatine projects is of a tired old man that controls the Empire for the good of all, not of a Sith that wants to make the Galaxy follow Sith principles ... as a matter of fact nothing says that Palpatines cares about the Sith idiology and simply uses Sith knowledge to his own objectives, he destroy the Jedi but nothing says its because of Sith hate over the Jedi but because the Jedi would be a torn over his domination of the galaxy.
DarthVechter Posted July 14, 2004 Posted July 14, 2004 Actually, in the timeline of Sith History...'Darth' Names (Darth Vader, Darth Maul, etc.) were not used until 2000 years before the Galactic Civil War (which took place during Star wars IV-VI) and were created by the only remaining Sith after the attempted rebirth of a Golden Age of the Sith - Bane, who became Darth Bane. It was at that point in time that he decided the Sith would no longer be a Dark Lord with followers but would be a Master, an Apprentice and no more therefore leading to the secrecy of the Sith and the supposition that they had vanished. Therefore, when the Sith were still as they were with a huge band of followers and a Dark Lord - 'Darth' was not a title given to any Sith lords. This is a mistake in the Original KOTOR and will hopefully be rectified....but as far as the story goes, no I don't belive you should be given a sith name. Also, as far as Darth Gandalf's point - that's the reason they did not change their names, because they would have never been "Darth's" to begin with. In the Trilogic timeline (Both of them) Names are changed for secrecy's sake such as Anakin Skywalker (Darth Vader), Senator Palpatine (Darth Sidious), and Khameir Sarin (Darth Maul).
Darth Truculis Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Darth Truculis from the word Trucuelent which means ruthless.
Strix Posted October 28, 2008 Posted October 28, 2008 Darth Truculis from the word Trucuelent which means ruthless. A four-year-old necropost!
Shryke Posted October 30, 2008 Posted October 30, 2008 that's gotta be some kind of record when your mind works against you - fight back with substance abuse!
Sith Lord Darth Plagueis Posted November 27, 2008 Posted November 27, 2008 The Darth title was more than just a symbol of power; it was a claim of supremacy. It was used by those Dark Lords who have sought to enforce their will on the other Masters. It was a challenge—a warning to bow down or be destroyed.
Knights&Darths Posted November 27, 2008 Posted November 27, 2008 how cool it would be, if in kotor 2 , when you turn to dark side and became the rank of Sith Lord then you could change your name from what it was to Darth SomethingorotherThat's sort of what happens in Kotor if you reclaim the title of Sith Lord. YouTube, Tumblr, Google+, Deadlystream Forums, Lucas Forums, Filefront
Albion72 Posted November 27, 2008 Posted November 27, 2008 I think the original poster was trying to say something like: If you named your character Jeff in the beginning of the game, and you became a Sith Lord as a prestige class, Darth would be added to the front. So you'd be Darth Jeff. This is not masking your name, this is simply making you more sith like. All the other Sith Lords had Darth in front of their name. Darth Sion, Darth Nihilus, Darth Traya... Why not you?
Knights&Darths Posted November 27, 2008 Posted November 27, 2008 Those are all Sith monikers, not their actual names. Malak's real name was Alek, "Revan" came from "Revanchism", the movement of which Revan was leader during the Mandalorian Wars. "Traya" most likely comes from "betrayal", for she is the Lord of Betrayal. "Nihilus" may derive from "Nihilism", for he believes that all life must die, something that's born of denial of any purpose of existance. YouTube, Tumblr, Google+, Deadlystream Forums, Lucas Forums, Filefront
Albion72 Posted November 30, 2008 Posted November 30, 2008 Those are all Sith monikers, not their actual names.Malak's real name was Alek, "Revan" came from "Revanchism", the movement of which Revan was leader during the Mandalorian Wars. "Traya" most likely comes from "betrayal", for she is the Lord of Betrayal. "Nihilus" may derive from "Nihilism", for he believes that all life must die, something that's born of denial of any purpose of existance. Umm, Darth Traya's real name is not Betrayal.... Revan's real name is not revanchism. These are what the writers decided to BASE their names off of.
Knights&Darths Posted November 30, 2008 Posted November 30, 2008 What does it matter? YouTube, Tumblr, Google+, Deadlystream Forums, Lucas Forums, Filefront
Jediphile Posted November 30, 2008 Posted November 30, 2008 Those are all Sith monikers, not their actual names.Malak's real name was Alek, "Revan" came from "Revanchism", the movement of which Revan was leader during the Mandalorian Wars. "Traya" most likely comes from "betrayal", for she is the Lord of Betrayal. "Nihilus" may derive from "Nihilism", for he believes that all life must die, something that's born of denial of any purpose of existance. Umm, Darth Traya's real name is not Betrayal.... Revan's real name is not revanchism. These are what the writers decided to BASE their names off of. Yes, but then that still means that Revan's "real" name still is not Revan. John Jackson Miller Miller who writes the KotOR comic book has argued that people knowing the character by the name "Revan" does not mean it is his given name. IIRC, he compared it to Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov being known by history as Lenin. He then set up Revan's faction as being called the "Revanchists", because "revanchism" is what they seek in their stand against the Mandalorians. Their leader then becomes "The Revanchist Leader" and since simply "The Revanchist" only to later become plainly "Revan". As explanations go, that's not so bad IMHO, and it does solve the problem of both Revan and Malak being so woefully unoriginal that they simply put Darth in front of their names when they turned to the dark side. Malak's real name was Alek, according to the comic book. We have no idea what Revan's real name was, except that it was thus probably not Revan. And no, Kreia's real name is neither Darth Traya or Betrayal. But neither is it Kreia... Visit my KotOR blog at Deadly Forums.
Albion72 Posted November 30, 2008 Posted November 30, 2008 Those are all Sith monikers, not their actual names.Malak's real name was Alek, "Revan" came from "Revanchism", the movement of which Revan was leader during the Mandalorian Wars. "Traya" most likely comes from "betrayal", for she is the Lord of Betrayal. "Nihilus" may derive from "Nihilism", for he believes that all life must die, something that's born of denial of any purpose of existance. Umm, Darth Traya's real name is not Betrayal.... Revan's real name is not revanchism. These are what the writers decided to BASE their names off of. Yes, but then that still means that Revan's "real" name still is not Revan. John Jackson Miller Miller who writes the KotOR comic book has argued that people knowing the character by the name "Revan" does not mean it is his given name. IIRC, he compared it to Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov being known by history as Lenin. He then set up Revan's faction as being called the "Revanchists", because "revanchism" is what they seek in their stand against the Mandalorians. Their leader then becomes "The Revanchist Leader" and since simply "The Revanchist" only to later become plainly "Revan". As explanations go, that's not so bad IMHO, and it does solve the problem of both Revan and Malak being so woefully unoriginal that they simply put Darth in front of their names when they turned to the dark side. Malak's real name was Alek, according to the comic book. We have no idea what Revan's real name was, except that it was thus probably not Revan. And no, Kreia's real name is neither Darth Traya or Betrayal. But neither is it Kreia... In my opinion, thats still not a name, thats a title/ideal. "The Revanchist Leader"... sounds like a title to me. Of course you can't put a name to Revan or Exile that is CANON because each individual is supposed to name their character... but still becoming Sith Lord and adding a Darth to the front of your name would be awesome. (I personally have NEVER taken a DS path in either game though, I feel too guilty .)
Markus Ramikin Posted December 1, 2008 Posted December 1, 2008 And no, Kreia's real name is neither Darth Traya or Betrayal. But neither is it Kreia... coughArrenKaecough
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