xzar_monty Posted October 23, 2022 Author Posted October 23, 2022 When Eddie Van Halen appeared on the scene in the late 1970s, he blew everyone away with much of what he did, and Eruption in particular. Not a lot of guitar players even understood what he was doing, and most of them certainly couldn't play it. These days, kids play Eruption for breakfast and then start practicing for real. But the vast majority of them don't, for some reason, write music that I find engaging or interesting. Here's a really good example: these guys are unbelievably good musicians, but the song is really simple (as a composition) and not very good. (The total lack of dynamics is particularly sad.) I find this somewhat odd and paradoxical, and to some extent it even bothers me. I'd like these guys to write better music. But: definitely worth checking out, if only for what this band can do, technically. [Guest artist Steve Vai is excluded from the comment above; he has done many interesting things, even if he's nowhere near my favorites as a guitarist.] 1
Gromnir Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 On 10/23/2022 at 6:25 AM, xzar_monty said: When Eddie Van Halen appeared on the scene in the late 1970s, he blew everyone away with much of what he did, and Eruption in particular. Not a lot of guitar players even understood what he was doing, and most of them certainly couldn't play it. These days, kids play Eruption for breakfast and then start practicing for real. But the vast majority of them don't, for some reason, write music that I find engaging or interesting. Here's a really good example: these guys are unbelievably good musicians, but the song is really simple (as a composition) and not very good. (The total lack of dynamics is particularly sad.) I find this somewhat odd and paradoxical, and to some extent it even bothers me. I'd like these guys to write better music. But: definitely worth checking out, if only for what this band can do, technically. [Guest artist Steve Vai is excluded from the comment above; he has done many interesting things, even if he's nowhere near my favorites as a guitarist.] you kinda sound like lindsey buckingham complaining 'bout eddie van halen while he were simultaneous recognizing eddie's "virtuosos" talent. can probable find the quote somewheres with a simple search o' both artist names. kinda reminds us o' another great artist moment, albeit a bit different. ms. raitt, a fantastic guitarist in her own right, were s'posed terrified she would f' it up at the grammy awards. no guitar from bonnie in the linked, but were a memorable performance. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
xzar_monty Posted October 25, 2022 Author Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Gromnir said: you kinda sound like lindsey buckingham complaining 'bout eddie van halen while he were simultaneous recognizing eddie's "virtuosos" talent. can probable find the quote somewheres with a simple search o' both artist names. Quite possible! But I do think there's an important distinction to be made between technical proficiency and more general musical or songwriting skill. Look at Roger Waters: anyone can learn all his stuff very quickly, it's so easy to play. But who can write songs as good as his? Not a lot of people. Or think of Fogerty: his songs are ridiculously simple, but just try and write one as good as they are. I can't play most Dream Theater songs even though I'm a pretty good drummer -- I'm approximately at the Rush level, let's say. But they are not good songs, in my view, so I don't feel any great impetus to learn them, either.
Gorth Posted October 25, 2022 Posted October 25, 2022 Speaking of Lindsey Buckingham... probably my favourite Lindsey Buckingham "moment"? (yes, I know I posted this song some years ago, but probably long enough, that most people forgot I posted it) 1 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
Keyrock Posted October 26, 2022 Posted October 26, 2022 This needs to become a popular genre of music IMMEDIATELY if it isn't already: 2 RFK Jr 2024 "Any organization created out of fear must create fear to survive." - Bill Hicks
Keyrock Posted October 27, 2022 Posted October 27, 2022 Who knew that Punjabi was the best language for metal? Note: I am no expert on Indian dialects, if that's Hindi rather than Punjabi then please correct me. 2 RFK Jr 2024 "Any organization created out of fear must create fear to survive." - Bill Hicks
majestic Posted October 27, 2022 Posted October 27, 2022 20 hours ago, Keyrock said: This needs to become a popular genre of music IMMEDIATELY if it isn't already: It was pretty popular the last time someone posted the video. Well, the second one, at least, after which we talked about how much I hate System of a Down's vocalist, with @bugarup saying he unironically likes him and @Bartimaeus saying he at least doesn't hate him. As for when that actually was, I'd say "recently" which is anywhere from yesterday back to 2005. But yeah, that's pretty awesome. 1 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering.
Bartimaeus Posted October 27, 2022 Posted October 27, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, majestic said: It was pretty popular the last time someone posted the video. Yeah, I posted it here probably like five or six months ago, . As for whats his face from SOAD, I do think I admitted I was somewhat biased given that my mom (and thus I) listened to them a lot when I was a small child, which can certainly be an influence. (e): Apparently, the thread hasn't moved much since I posted it, since this is just a few pages ago: Edited October 27, 2022 by Bartimaeus 1 1 Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
Keyrock Posted November 1, 2022 Posted November 1, 2022 Still the greatest and most disrespectful diss track ever: RFK Jr 2024 "Any organization created out of fear must create fear to survive." - Bill Hicks
Gorth Posted November 2, 2022 Posted November 2, 2022 12 hours ago, Keyrock said: Still the greatest and most disrespectful diss track ever: We'll have to disagree on that one Queen's "Tribute" to their first manager (Norman Sheffield, owner of Trident Records back then). Less swear words, but all the hatred felt for him condensed into lyrics... 1 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
majestic Posted November 2, 2022 Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) Time for something else than Eurodance trash. Have some 80ies music! Edit: Maybe I should add a disclaimer, this is safe to click on. Really. No hidden silly hardstyle remix and no Scooter or anything. Edited November 2, 2022 by majestic 1 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering.
Gorth Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 6 hours ago, majestic said: Time for something else than Eurodance trash. Have some 80ies music! Edit: Maybe I should add a disclaimer, this is safe to click on. Really. No hidden silly hardstyle remix and no Scooter or anything. How about some 70's German techno-pop (so long ago, I wonder if they weren't a bit ahead of their time)? Although as a matter of preference, this is more my kind of 80's German pop music “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
Gromnir Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 On 11/1/2022 at 3:15 PM, Keyrock said: Still the greatest and most disrespectful diss track ever: our vote goes to the following: slams President nixon at the grammy awards with a superlative performance. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019)
majestic Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 7 hours ago, Gorth said: Although as a matter of preference, this is more my kind of 80's German pop music How about a German Eurodance cover of a beloved rock classic? (This is borderline heresy!) No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering.
Malcador Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 Apparently this made the rounds as a fake St. Anger song. If only it were real. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
majestic Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 23 minutes ago, Malcador said: Apparently this made the rounds as a fake St. Anger song. I fail to see how that can be. This sounds nothing like the production of St. Anger, which was an incredibly lame sounding attempt at making a 'garage' album. As if being from Metallica wasn't bad enough. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering.
Malcador Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, majestic said: I fail to see how that can be. This sounds nothing like the production of St. Anger, which was an incredibly lame sounding attempt at making a 'garage' album. As if being from Metallica wasn't bad enough. This was before St Anger was out, Kazaa/WinMX/etc were full of fake St Anger songs. I found out about Holochaust, er, Darcane, er Mind-A-Stray that way 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
majestic Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 Just now, Malcador said: This was before St Anger was out, Kazaa/WinMX/etc were full of fake St Anger songs. I found out about Holochaust, er, Darcane, er Mind-A-Stray that way Well, that's even dumber...er then. 1 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering.
Malcador Posted November 3, 2022 Posted November 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, majestic said: Well, that's even dumber...er then. Well no one said metal fans were smart 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
bugarup Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 So this turned up on my 'tube recommendations yesterday and of course I am going to share, lest @majestic thinks he's got monopoly to music's, ah, peculiar cases. 1
majestic Posted November 4, 2022 Posted November 4, 2022 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering.
Azdeus Posted November 6, 2022 Posted November 6, 2022 (edited) Edited November 6, 2022 by Azdeus Wardruna - Solringen, can't add it in the text field because forum software.. 1 Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken
xzar_monty Posted November 6, 2022 Author Posted November 6, 2022 Some pop music for a change. You'd be hard pressed to find a pop song that's more complex than this -- but it's amazing how effortlessly this flows. Superb songwriting.
Gorth Posted November 6, 2022 Posted November 6, 2022 If "Blue Monday" had been released 50 years earlier... “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein
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