teknoman2 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Raithe said: https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/anti-lockdown-riots-in-europe-making-remainer-feel-a-right-****-20211122214546 i feel like we are in V for Vendetta. politicians are using covid as an excuse to gauge how far they can push authoritarianism before the people start pushing back... and now that people are starting to push back, the media has joined in to defend the governments by shaming the people for pushing back. in my country alone, there are at least 6 (that i'm aware of) constitutional rights that have been suspended indefinitely for "public health reasons" and most people fear that even when the whole thing ends, the rights will remain suspended... and not a single question by anyone in the media about them to anyone from any political party. they all seem to pretend these rights never existed. Edited November 24, 2021 by teknoman2 1 The words freedom and liberty, are diminishing the true meaning of the abstract concept they try to explain. The true nature of freedom is such, that the human mind is unable to comprehend it, so we make a cage and name it freedom in order to give a tangible meaning to what we dont understand, just as our ancestors made gods like Thor or Zeus to explain thunder. -Teknoman2- What? You thought it was a quote from some well known wise guy from the past? Stupidity leads to willful ignorance - willful ignorance leads to hope - hope leads to sex - and that is how a new generation of fools is born! We are hardcore role players... When we go to bed with a girl, we roll a D20 to see if we hit the target and a D6 to see how much penetration damage we did. Modern democracy is: the sheep voting for which dog will be the shepherd's right hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Since January 6th was such a memorable event (for all the wrong reasons)... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-24/proud-boys-oath-keepers-subpoena-us-capitol-riot-january-6/100645708 "A committee investigating the deadly US Capitol riot has issued five subpoenas to far-right extremist groups that have backed former president Donald Trump and to individuals associated with those groups The Select Committee is seeking testimony from the Proud Boys and its chairman, Henry "Enrique" Tarrio, alongside the Oath Keepers and its president, Elmer Stewart Rhodes. The committee has also subpoenaed Robert Patrick Lewis, the chairman of 1st Amendment Praetorian, a lower-profile organisation known for wearing black shirts and providing security at pro-Trump events." ... In short, Trumps goon squad seems to be dis-proportionally represented amongst those arrested. ... "The Proud Boys have been named by United States security agencies as playing a pivotal role in the January attack on the US Capitol, and at least 34 individuals associated with the group have been indicted over it." Speaking of far right groups... I seem to remember one or more people on this forum linking to intelligence assessments, that they're the greatest risk when it comes to domestic terrorism https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59355019 A US jury has awarded millions in damages against the organisers of a deadly far-right rally in August 2017. The defendants were found liable in four out of six counts over the bloodshed at the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia. Nine of those injured sued the event's organisers arguing they had conspired to commit racially motivated violence. A woman was killed and dozens were hurt after an avowed neo-Nazi drove a car into counter-protesters. The total damages awarded amount to $25m (£19m), according to US media. Now this is more likely to qualify as a hate crime... some people should take note? “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshae Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Politics keeps leaking into the humor thread, alas. "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, rjshae said: Politics keeps leaking into the humor thread, alas. For those confused about what rjshae is talking about, I moved a number of posts from the funny thread to the politics thread, including this observation which i agreed with.... 1 “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Gorth said: For those confused about what rjshae is talking about, I moved a number of posts from the funny thread to the politics thread, including this observation which i agreed with.... I was confused, thanks for clarifying because I dont think politics is a joke. It defines how all our countries are run 1 "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshae Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 9 hours ago, Gorth said: For those confused about what rjshae is talking about, I moved a number of posts from the funny thread to the politics thread, including this observation which i agreed with.... Well I'm glad you explained that because for a second I thought I'd done an old fart thing and posted the comment to the wrong thread. Now that would have been embarrassing. Not that I'm not an old fart. 1 1 "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Father and son guilty of murder in Ahmaud Arbery's killing. 3 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gfted1 said: Father and son guilty of murder in Ahmaud Arbery's killing. Happy day. 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Yeah, thankfully they got this one right. Their actions were utterly indefensible. Im curious if any of those charges reflect a "hate crime" conviction? It sounds like "malice murder" is higher/different than "felony murder". *casts summon: @Gromnir* 2 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amentep Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 16 minutes ago, Gfted1 said: Yeah, thankfully they got this one right. Their actions were utterly indefensible. Im curious if any of those charges reflect a "hate crime" conviction? It sounds like "malice murder" is higher/different than "felony murder". *casts summon: @Gromnir* Georgia didn't have a hate crime statute on the books when the men were charged. They were, IIRC, charged in May and the Hate Crime law was signed in June 21. Difference between Malice Murder and Felony Murder is explained by a local station: https://www.11alive.com/article/news/crime/ahmaud-arbery/malice-murder-felony-murder-difference-ahmaud-arbery-death-trial/85-d13db692-cff9-4b4d-be73-5eba5ae22054 1 I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Apropos hate crimes... I mentioned previously neo nazi and alt right groups being behind the violent riots, protesting anti covid measures (being anti vax, anti lockdown etc.) https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2021/11/24/neo-nazi-terror-groups-crackdown/ Looks like, albeit somewhat late, even members of the governing liberal party is a bit fed up with them. A violent neo-Nazi paramilitary group that advocates terror attacks to provoke a civil war has been outlawed in Australia, amid a wider national crackdown on extremist groups. Federal Home Affairs Minister Karen Andrews expressed concern about The Base, an American hate group that has planned violent racist assassinations and poison water supplies, as it forges links with local right-wing extremist groups. It’s just the second right-wing extremist organisation designated by the federal government as a terror entity. ... It comes as Australian counter-terror and intelligence bodies warn of an increasing level of far-right activity domestically. Director-general of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation, Mike Burgess, said right-wing extremism made up 40 per cent of the spy agency’s workload. ... But... ‘Not a timely response’ The ABC reported in 2020 The Base was trying to recruit Australians to its cause. “The Base do have a presence in Australia, so the question is why hasn’t this listing been done before?” Dr Kristy Campion, a lecturer in terrorism studies at Charles Sturt University, told TND. “It’s obviously very welcome but this is a group that’s been around since 2018 … it’s not a timely response, but it’s welcome.” ... Jihadist threats are still there too of course “The jihadist threat hasn’t disappeared, but authorities are doing their best to manage a fast-changing threat scape. These groups tend to fragment, fall apart, get back together with a new name and clubhouse. They’re a moving target, so it’s affirming to see action.” Mr West said right-wing terror was now the “dominant” threat in the US, and welcomed Australian authorities taking further action. “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 am not a fan o' hate crime enhancements, but we were an admitted near lone voice in the wilderness on this one even back in the 90s when the current scheme went into effect. 49 states sent briefs in support o' wisconsin when the case o' wisconsin v. mitchell 508 U.S. 476 (1993) were before the Court. J. Rhenquist, a guy who woulda' had trump declaring Alito a RINO if he were still around to act as a kinda conservative yardstick to be measured 'gainst, delivered a unanimous opinion. to say hate crimes enhancements had overwhelming public and scholarly support would be understatement. if you kill somebody, am thinking we put you in prison or execute you for the murder and not 'cause o' your expressed viewpoint on gender, race or whatnot. am not indulging a slippery slope kinda argument, but is one o' those unnecessary grey areas. particularly nowadays when we got so much division regarding foundational notions o' bigotry and racism, enhancements based on the expressed viewpoint o' the criminalized has the potential for abuse, and such enhancements should be largely unnecessary save that strict sentencing guidelines has taken from judges some o' their flexibility in punishing particular vile nogoodniks... and fact judges like the one in the rittenhouse case exist. didn't check, but am suspecting the rittenhouse judge were elected as 'posed to appointed. would explain a few things. and look, am getting it. try and pretend as if ordinary criminal trespass and property vandalism carries the same threat as does burning a cross on the front lawn o' a black family is delusional. however, the Court mere a year previous to wisconsin v. mitchell, struck down a law which made hate related actions in st. paul minnesota illegal. the Rhenquist opinion is arguable sound but nevertheless indulging in a bit o' the svengali approach to logic and reason if a short time previous you did rail 'gainst the viewpoint discrimination o' a law which punishes bad thinkers, but is ok to add enhancements for punishments 'cause o' same bad thoughts held by a defendant. in rav, the Court took the opportunity to speak in big terms 'bout fairness and the sanctity o' the First Amendment-- were impressive soap box material and very quotable. wisconsin v. mitchell is not quotable. J. Rhenquist in mitchell does everything possible to make us recognize that enhancements is not 'bout First Amendment even if the state is punishing a person to a greater extent specific 'cause o' their expressed viewpoint, but he used arcane precedent and procedural arguments as 'posed to talk o' fairness and right. regardless, gonna note conservatives were very much supportive o' hate crime enhancements in the 90s, jic some folks wanna rail 'bout the injustice o' such. HA! Good Fun! 2 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amentep Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) agree with point 1. didn't even know 'bout point 2, 3, 4, or 8... shows how little we followed the trial. #5 complaint were... odd. picking outta a tumbler were peculiar but didn't strike us unfair. looked bad for a public trial as it were indeed unusual and were gonna draw criticism for the theatrics, so why do it? not a huge concern though. gonna suggest #6 is not properly analyzed in the video as typical the judge woulda' allowed a bit o' time to fix the handicap o' the evidence given the ad hoc nature o' his ruling. sure, if this were a known defect before trial 'cause the judge or some clear rule o' evidence prohibited such video, then burden would be on the prosecution to present proper evidence at trial. ain't what happened. judge declares previously admissible evidence functional inadmissible 'cause o' some technical foible? unless time to fix error were prohibitive, then prosecution shoulda' had an opportunity to cure the previous unknown defect. #7 was a problem for us. big problem actually. was not just "sloppy." were particular egregious as the judge seemed complete aware the defense witness were military as he specific referenced the guy before he asked for applause. video narrator undersells this one by a fair bit. were genuine jaw dropping kinda "sloppy." 'course missing is the other big issue we had: the aforementioned ruling on the weapon in rittenhouses' possession. HA! Good Fun! Edited November 25, 2021 by Gromnir 1 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) Not really buying the defendant is "empowered" by picking the numbers. Also anyone describing anyone as "based", deserves to be shot in the face. Edited November 25, 2021 by Malcador Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Supreme Court set to take up all-or-nothing abortion fight. 1 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 1 The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshae Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Despite voter-approved anti-gerrymandering reforms, Ohio GOP still draws lopsided map Quote Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine, a Republican, has signed into law a congressional map that creates 15 new districts in the state, but anti-gerrymandering advocates are slamming the map saying it was drawn to keep a Republican stronghold in Ohio. The plan has 12 seats that either heavily favor or lean in favor of Republicans. That's 80% of the districts in a state that voted for former President Donald Trump with 53% of the vote in 2020. Looks like the Republicans have won the "steal the vote" battle by thoroughly stealing the vote. Heh. The more things change, the more they stay the same. "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartimaeus Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Spoiler alert: Spoiler It was the shooter. 3 Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Shame the cops took him alive. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 We should put automatic blast doors and gunshot detecting systems in every school. After a shot is detected, all doors in the immediate area slam shut and lock, and then pump the hallway full of pepper spray. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Gfted1 said: We should put automatic blast doors and gunshot detecting systems in every school. After a shot is detected, all doors in the immediate area slam shut and lock, and then pump the hallway full of pepper spray. Until the shooter wears a gas mask, chooses a time when the hallways are full. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Well theres still a few kinks to work out. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Also all teachers should be trained in the art of kendo and have a bamboo sword in the classroom to handle disturbances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Just give the teachers a sawed off, in that case. That'll settle the kids down right quick Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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