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4 hours ago, Gfted1 said:

Got my second shot today and so far, so good. No headache or fatigue. If I die, Ill see you all on the flipside. If I dont, I guess Ill be back later. :lol:

Was okay for the first day - woke up like I had gotten run over the next day, though. Seems like most people I know that got their Pfizer/Moderna second shot have a similar story.

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Should go buy some Pfizer stock.

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9 hours ago, Zoraptor said:

For anyone who doesn't think Bruce is spouting rubbish,

(1) the US still has an export ban*

(2) it has an export ban on vaccines it hasn't even approved, eg Astra Zeneca

(3) it has enough vaccines to vaccinate everyone eligible, already- the stockpile has only increased since January so has outstripped demand for 4 months even when demand was peak

*which at least they're waiving for expiring stocks of vaccine- and less credibly, to try and stop people using Russian or Chinese vaccines (ie the at cost Pfizer delivery to Brazil)

Which is eminently sensible in general, but it's also part of the reason why the US can support suspending patents, now. In contrast, the EU's home grown vaccines aren't online yet (except German BioNTech production, and labeling J&J as Janssen) so having their patents suspended would mean that they actively lose money on research etc.

For anyone terrified for the bottom lines of Pfizer et alia consider that the EU is looking to buy 1.9 billion doses from them. At the lowest charging rate that's ~20 billion in profit that Pfizer would not have had. At the rate they charged Israel it would be ~40 billion in profit. My heart bleeds for them at least as badly as it does for some anonymous indian peasant in Bihar hacking their lungs out.

Zora please use links when you respond in these types of debates. I mostly  appreciate your comments as I consider you well informed about certain topics and you have a wide range of interests including some real knowledge about Africa which is always appreciated but not expected 

But you have to realize I cannot just take your word, or anyones, on any forum about what is the truth unless I know its true myself. We all often agree with sentiment and lived experience when forum members we know share stories or posts. For example when Gromnir shares  information about Native American tribes and their history I dont research what he says in the interests of veracity because I believe its true because I know Gromnir and I consider him someone who  wont make a post on topic like this unless its true 

But I would still do my own research and corroboration  on what Gromnir was saying if it was about an investment or voting decision because that is the best way to make such a decision. 

In closing you put the effort in to make a post disagreeing with me but you have no links so those interested can confirm what you saying. I realize this takes more time but its literally 3-4 minutes, per link,  to find something that supports your view and it would be strange that anyone who has opinion that they believe is true wont be interested in spending a few minutes just posting a link

Lets not think this is about who is right or wrong, honestly I stopped generally caring about that 6-7 years ago. We want to educate each other in a constructive and normal way so use links in future so we can all do own research on these  pertinent topics :thumbsup:

Also please dont post links now on this particular topic on my behalf. I am not going to comment anymore on this topic, at this time, so I doubt I would read them  as  I am moving on but in future just use links to support your view 

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Dose 2 / Day 2: Ive been waiting all day for the other shoe to drop and...I feel fine. I even took my temperature just to see whats up and it was perfectly in range. Actually, my arm doesnt even hurt as much the first shot. Weird. I feel like Ive dodged a bullet. My wife got her second shot today so well see how she feels tomorrow. That makes the entire Gfted clan fully dosed up. :thumbsup:

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15 hours ago, Sarex said:

They probably hit a nerve with the first shot and that's why it hurt.

They must have mentioned universal health care right as they were giving the shot.

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Well... Interesting news around B.1.617 (one of India variants). 

 

Under peer review now as it seems fully vaccinated people get infected with it and are ill. 

Not enough data around severity of those cases, but worrying enough, that we might see another global wave. 

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Quote for the Day: "Americans who believe in guns but don't believe in wearing masks. You have studied muzzle discipline for your weapons even if you know they aren't loaded, why can you not believe in good muzzle discipline with a mask on the off-chance you can pass the virus?"

"Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum."

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1 hour ago, Raithe said:

Quote for the Day: "Americans who believe in guns but don't believe in wearing masks. You have studied muzzle discipline for your weapons even if you know they aren't loaded, why can you not believe in good muzzle discipline with a mask on the off-chance you can pass the virus?"

This assumes they have studied muzzle discipline.

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5 hours ago, Raithe said:

Quote for the Day: "Americans who believe in guns but don't believe in wearing masks. You have studied muzzle discipline for your weapons even if you know they aren't loaded, why can you not believe in good muzzle discipline with a mask on the off-chance you can pass the virus?"

They believe in guns but don't want to get shot. Especially in the arm. By a needle. Now those are scary. 🙄

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warning: sweary

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is gauche to quote self, but from our first post in the very first covid thread on these boards:

"and Americans is just plain stoopid and obtuse at times. US is not china, so is hardly practical to be locking down whole cities and states if it is deemed necessary at some point. got more than a few folks who is gonna see any such government efforts as conspiracy laden fodder and the inevitable precursor to a full scale attack on their personal liberties-- next thing you know, they will be coming for your guns. "

the alt-right and no-compromise gun folks aren't afraid of needles or masks. they is afraid of the government, but only the wrong government. the same folks angry at being forced to wear masks is perfect ok with the government stepping in and limiting the first amendment rights of big tech, or the voting rights o' predominant minority communities in pennsylvania or arizona. oh, and don't forget the muslim ban.

the sweary guy in the twitter clip gots no problem wearing shoes and a shirt when he enters a soopermarket, but a mask, which contributes to saving the lives o' fellow human beings, is a bridge too far? middle-aged angry guy went on 'bout his Constitutional rights to be free of masks in soopermarkets, but you are gonna be a long time waiting if you expect him or any o' his gadsden flag brethren to identify where in the Constitution such a liberty is codified. hint: no such liberty exists.

and even if you believe masks (or vaccines which has been tested for safety, vaccines which after millions o' administered doses we still ain't seen any vaccine related deaths) only provide a small benefit in limiting the spread o' the pandemic, why on earth would you need be told that such actions is compulsory? (btw, practical nobody in the US has been pushing for vaccines to be government requisite compulsory) as such, refusal to wear a mask is kinda an a-hole litmus test more than anything else, no? 

am nevertheless understanding if pregnant women is reluctant to get vaccinated. there shouldn't be any side effects for the kids o' moms who is vaccinated, but in the past, vaccines has resulted in unforeseen and long term effects on children. should be extreme unlikely, but if a mom decides she is gonna be ultra safe and hold up in her proverbial bunker until after she delivers, then am having a hard time finding any justification for criticism.

is a few other folks with allergies and past horrible experiences with vaccines who regardless o' dr. advice may still choose to forgo getting vaccinated and am understanding such fears. 

however, if the reasons you is against wearing masks or getting vaccinated is some kinda liberty stance, then am disappointed. even so, this situation, from our pov, were complete predictable, and we got the receipts to prove just how predictable it were. 

HA! Good Fun!

 

 

 

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