A Fifth of Coronavirus

[Amentep]

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On 4/12/2021 at 8:29 AM, Keyrock said:

I just took what they gave me, I didn't even know how many different microchips vaccines there were, nor which one I would receive until the needle had already been in my arm and the CDC card was in my hand. I had no idea there were this many different variants.

 

23 hours ago, Sarex said:

They just want to extend the effects.

As I said, the story going around is that the Sinofarm vaccine is using a deactivated virus which is a proven technology, so less chances of things going wrong.

If you make an appointment you get to chose the vaccine over here and I'm pretty sure we have most of them available.

 

1 hour ago, Gromnir said:

after obsessive checking for vaccine appointment availability w/i a 30 mi radius since we became eligible on april 1, we managed to get an appointment on monday at 10:45 am at literal the closest possible vaccination site. the appointment became available late sunday afternoon. 

moderna.

second shot will be may 10.

we were warned of possible side effects, but most common 'ccording to the health care professional administering the shot would be injection sight discomfort and/or next day fatigue. no side effects worth noting so far.

we were a bit early for our vaccination, but we didn't have anybody waiting immediate before or after us to receive the shot, so am not certain if folks hadn't shown for their scheduled appointment or if there were some other explanation for the lack o' any kinda que. from what we could tell, the appointments were being staggered fifteen minutes apart. based on when we arrived and the time it took to administer the shot, we woulda' expected to have seen at least either the previous or subsequent vaccine candidates, but such were not the case.

HA! Good Fun!

ps have not gotten a haircut since late last february. we learned that Gromnir's hair grows kinda quick as we went from high and tight using #2 clippers side and back, blended in on top, to having our hair ~2" past shoulder length.  is kinda silly, but am much looking forward to full vaccination so we may get rid o' our excess hair.

When I went, there was a line and half the people didn't social distance...

You could pick which vaccine only if they had multiples in stock, which they didn't. 

[InsaneCommander]

They are now talking about Coronavac requiring a third dose in Brazil.

[Darkpriest]

Well, in a lot of places they will need to give a third booster shot as the virus is still rampant, and the immunity declines at a pce of ca. 6months.

 

Other than that, virus variants are reported to bypass some immunity developed with use of vaccines. 

 

[Zoraptor]

It takes way longer than 6 months. You still have decent protection after 3 months with a single shot of AZ for example, let alone with the booster. The main reason they're discussing it for Sinopharm/ Sinovac (CoronaVac) is that they're of very low relative efficacy, so any drop off- or any increase gained- is important to keep immunity above the level required for them to be deemed effective and approach herd immunity levels. It's very much diminishing return though, you get far more effect from the first dose than the second, and more from the second than a 3rd; so you're better off vaccinating more people twice than fewer people 3 times.

You can also mix and match the vaccines to boost response.  Sputnik is already such, since it uses a different adenoviruses in each dose which is why it has better efficiency than the otherwise similar AZ/ J&J vaccines.

Virus variants bypass some immunity, but so far not much.

[Darkpriest]

The longer the virus is in virculation among poppulace, where only part of it is vaccinated, the higher chance of a mutation, which will bypass those protections completely. It's a matter of numbers game, and ability to catch up with new variants popping up. 

Edited April 14, 2021 by Darkpriest

[rjshae]

A September/October mass release of a revamped COVID-19 vaccine would help keep the cases down for the 2021/2022 winter season. But that's only 5 months away.

[Gorth]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56744474

"Denmark has ceased giving the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine amid concerns about rare cases of blood clots, the first European country to do so fully.

The move is expected to delay the country's vaccination programme by several weeks.

Drug watchdog the European Medicines Agency last week announced a possible link with clots but said the risk of dying of Covid-19 was much greater.

Several European countries had previously briefly suspended the jab.

Most have now resumed vaccinations with AstraZeneca, but often with limits to older age groups.

On Tuesday, the US, Canada and the European Union paused the Johnson & Johnson vaccine for similar reasons over clotting.

South Africa has also paused its use, despite the Johnson & Johnson being its preferred vaccine because of its effectiveness against the South African variant."

...

"Almost one million people in Denmark have been vaccinated, with approximately 150,000 of them receiving the AstraZeneca jab. The Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines are also in use."

 

Denmark generally seems to have the infection under control (i.e. not like Australia and New Zealand, but people aren't dying en masse), so the need to vaccinate is less urgent. As the article says, vulnerable people have been given the shots and next in line are the young people who are less likely to get or suffer badly from Covid so The current stock will be kept for a later date and Pfizer/Moderna used until someone works out why the AZ (and J&J) vaccine kills the recipient every now and then.

[LadyCrimson]

yeah my hospital sent me a similar notice re: johnson and johnson vaccine and how it means their vaccine supply is "smaller" now.  I have no idea if this affects my appointment in a couple weeks, guess I'll have to check.

I'm tempted to cancel the appointment and just try again later. 

Edited April 14, 2021 by LadyCrimson

[ShadySands]

Denver cases are up 27% and hospitalization is up 100% but the mayor announced the end of outdoor mask mandate and gyms and restaurants can go back up to 100% capacity. 

[Gromnir]

HA! Good Fun!

 

[Raithe]

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/i-got-johnson-johnson-vaccine-monday-took-selfie-things-got-ncna1264074

I got the Johnson & Johnson vaccine on Monday and took a selfie. Things got weird after that.
The pause on Tuesday had strangers hyping my supposedly inevitable demise. But victim-blaming is just a response to those people's perceived vulnerability.

[Raithe]

 

[InsaneCommander]

Only 0.008% of Vaccinated People in The US Have Caught COVID-19, New Data Reveal.

[rjshae]

[Raithe]

[Gromnir]

Little Difference In Vaccine Hesitancy Among White And Black Americans, Poll Finds

Overall, 67% of people said they had either planned to get a coronavirus vaccine, or had done so already. Thirty percent said they did not plan to get a shot.

While there was little racial difference in who wants the vaccine, there were sharp partisan differences, according to the poll.

am admitted surprised a bit by a few o' the numbers. reducing the historic reluctance o' minorities has been a kinda success. pleasant surprise. unfortunate, men, the gender more likely to suffer severe symptoms from a covid-19 infection than women, is less likely to get vaccinated. women, who disproportionate populate teaching and healthcare professions even in 2021, has been vaccinated earlier than men. 

67% is much better than the ~50% numbers we saw late last year regarding persons willing to be vaccinated in the US. has been a significant decrease in vaccine hesitancy in a short time, particular in communities o' color and whatever education and outreach efforts resulted in such a significant change is deserving recognition. need find out what worked and repeat if possible. am impressed by the diminished levels o' hesitancy. even so, thank goodness the vaccines is so efficacious.  is worth remembering the yearly flu vaccine is 'tween 40 and 60% effective. is nevertheless gonna be difficult to reach a few o' the targets deemed necessary for herd immunity with current levels o' hesitancy, particular as social distancing behaviors in the US, which were never adhered to well, is breaking down at an increasing rate.

HA! Good Fun!

 

[Darkpriest]

@Gromnir

I think pictures from UK pubs or Israel clubs could have been a factor to encourage people to vaccinate and lead to faster 'normal' life, even if they themselves did not normally see a need. 

The gatekeeping factor of being vaccinated or not might have played a role

[Gfted1]

^Gatekeeping? Do those countries require a person to show their vaccination card before being admitted into a public place? The US doesnt.

[Gorth]

55 minutes ago, Gfted1 said:

^Gatekeeping? Do those countries require a person to show their vaccination card before being admitted into a public place? The US doesnt.

Not public places, but international travel

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56522408

Edit: Maybe they should put it between people and their beers as a requirement

[Gfted1]

41 minutes ago, Gorth said:

Maybe they should put it between people and their beers as a requirement

That would definitely expedite things around here.

But seriously, Illinois comes in at 26.41% of the population being fully vaccinated. 

[Malcador]

1 hour ago, Gfted1 said:

^Gatekeeping? Do those countries require a person to show their vaccination card before being admitted into a public place? The US doesnt.

I think Israel has the Green Pass for that - https://corona.health.gov.il/en/directives/green-pass-info/

[Hurlshort]

2 hours ago, Gfted1 said:

^Gatekeeping? Do those countries require a person to show their vaccination card before being admitted into a public place? The US doesnt.

I think a lot of sporting events are requiring you to show proof of vaccination, or at least are planning to as they open up.

[Zoraptor]

8 hours ago, Gfted1 said:

^Gatekeeping? Do those countries require a person to show their vaccination card before being admitted into a public place? The US doesnt.

Currently England has a vaccination reminder card only, to help people remember that they need 2 doses.

England being England there are persistent rumours that the government wants to bring in 'proper' vaccination cards as an identity card by stealth, filled with all sorts of biometrics and the like. Like most places, they'd almost certainly go for a phone widgit instead of a specialist card if they wanted one.

[Skarpen]

Scientific proof the whole Lockdown idea was idiotic spring to life every day now. All confirm my claims from a while ago for example that outdoors is safe. A claim some fervent lockdown supporters called wrong because virus supposedly fly and hangs in the air for hour. Seems it doesn't. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/7769445/covid-outdoor-transmission-science/amp/

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/04/23/mit-researchers-say-youre-no-safer-from-covid-indoors-at-6-feet-or-60-feet-in-new-study.html

 

[rjshae]

5 hours ago, Skarpen said:

Scientific proof the whole Lockdown idea was idiotic spring to life every day now. All confirm my claims from a while ago for example that outdoors is safe. A claim some fervent lockdown supporters called wrong because virus supposedly fly and hangs in the air for hour. Seems it doesn't. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/7769445/covid-outdoor-transmission-science/amp/

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/04/23/mit-researchers-say-youre-no-safer-from-covid-indoors-at-6-feet-or-60-feet-in-new-study.html

The odd part of the last link is how it completely ignores the factor of viral load. You're more likely to get a severe case if you inhale 100 aerosol droplets than if you just inhale one.