PK htiw klaw eriF Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 Just now, IndiraLightfoot said: For once, I am shocked. Storming Capitol Hill. What is this? Some near-future dystopic computer game? What happened with that superb security that the US usually excels in? It only gets used on leftists and Black people. 3 1 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
IndiraLightfoot Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 I see, turning a blind eye. Not exactly a stellar choice of place and time for that, though? While the world is watching... *** "The words of someone who feels ever more the ent among saplings when playing CRPGs" ***
Elerond Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 Just now, IndiraLightfoot said: For once, I am shocked. Storming Capitol Hill. What is this? Some near-future dystopic computer game? What happened with that superb security that the US usually excels in? Last four years they have done their best that there are only Trump supporters working in all governmental organizations , so security probably is part of those who are storming in the Capitol 1 1
IndiraLightfoot Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 This is truly a sad day for US democracy. Violent protesters trying to shut down a lawful election process. *** "The words of someone who feels ever more the ent among saplings when playing CRPGs" ***
BruceVC Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, IndiraLightfoot said: For once, I am shocked. Storming Capitol Hill. What is this? Some near-future dystopic computer game? What happened with that superb security that the US usually excels in? The police were initially overwhelmed by the sheer numbers but they will get it under control, they also have to consider and first protect all the members of the Congress This has nothing to do with race but an initial lack of resources and they were surprised by the level of violence and caught off-guard "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
BruceVC Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 7 minutes ago, Elerond said: Last four years they have done their best that there are only Trump supporters working in all governmental organizations , so security probably is part of those who are storming in the Capitol Elerond !!! Im shocked by your anti-American sentiment....I thought we agreed we would only be anti-American when it was absolutely necessary ....please dont be naughty again "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Malcador Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, BruceVC said: Fair enough. But just for the record what would you call the 3 months of protests in Portland where shops were closed and some were vandalized, cops were injured and attacked, protestors were injured and some arrested for breaking the law and Federal buildings were also vandalized. What would you call that ? Not sure if one term encompasses all of that, but isn't a city in anarchy. Uh...and some woman was shot Edited January 6, 2021 by Malcador 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
rjshae Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 The lunatics have taken over the asylum. His hard-core followers are like a physical manifestation of Trump's mental illness. 1 "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats."
BruceVC Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Malcador said: Not sure if one term encompasses all of that, but isn't a city in anarchy. If the National Guard needs to be deployed then they must definitely do it One guy even got onto the floor of where they were debating, he was arrested "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Elerond Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 Just now, BruceVC said: Elerond !!! Im shocked by your anti-American sentiment....I thought we agreed we would only be anti-American when it was absolutely necessary ....please dont be naughty again Sorry but I need to correct you, I am just speaking alternate patriotic truth by stating that true patriotic Capitol troops support true and only leader of America, God Emperor Trump 1 1
IndiraLightfoot Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 (edited) This is not the kind of images any country wants to spread from their very heart of democracy and the moment a new president is about to be elected: Edited January 6, 2021 by IndiraLightfoot 1 *** "The words of someone who feels ever more the ent among saplings when playing CRPGs" ***
HoonDing Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 yeah, Amerika never gets to lecture anyone on anything again 1 The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Hurlshort Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 27 minutes ago, Guard Dog said: Congratulations MAGA. You guys are as big a mob of violent animals as ANTIFI. Way to go. Soooooo much bigger. When did ANTIFA occupy anything near this scale? 3 1
Raithe Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 2 "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum."
BruceVC Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Elerond said: Sorry but I need to correct you, I am just speaking alternate patriotic truth by stating that true patriotic Capitol troops support true and only leader of America, God Emperor Trump Thats a clever comment and funny too "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Zoraptor Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 The US did use the Roman Republic as a model. Invading the Capitol with a mob was a pretty established tradition there especially in the later republic when the strain was showing. 3
BruceVC Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hurlshot said: Soooooo much bigger. When did ANTIFA occupy anything near this scale? Oh no Antifa was involved in months of violence and criminal behavior, its seems silly to compare them because they both guilty of criminal acts but Antifa is much worse because of the length of time they committed violence "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Hurlshot said: Soooooo much bigger. When did ANTIFA occupy anything near this scale? This brings up a good comparison. When "antifa" vandalized the CNN sign in Atlanta the National Guard got called in. The MAGAs are storming the capital armed and the DOD declined a request to send in the National Guard.*see edit The gaps in relation to power (you can see prominent politicians with Proud Boys and 3%ers) and the response from authority should provide a stark comparison between antifa and MAGA. EDIT: MSNBC got it wrong, National Guard is being deployed to DC. Edited January 6, 2021 by KaineParker 1 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
BruceVC Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, HoonDing said: yeah, Amerika never gets to lecture anyone on anything again That seems like an unreasonable thing to ask for ? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
HoonDing Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 This is turning into some bizarro reverse Tianmanen. 3 The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Darkpriest Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 Sadly, this is not unexpected or it was even predictable. The worst part is, that this would happen no matter who won. Both sides are so heavily polarized, that they are almost at a point of no reconciliation. Years of demonizing each other. Again, we saw partisianship, when it comes to voilence before. When autonomous zones were established, when governmental property was destroyed, when citties were looted etc. it was a "right to express". It was predictable, that such stance will only enrage the other side of population as they are treated unequally. The long lockdowns and rules for thee but not for me also put more powder to that keg. Lets hope it will get diffused onstead of detonated. IHowever it already shows, that there is little united i the USA. China and Russia will use this and fuel secretly from the sidelines. It is not yet so bad, that they could challange US openly. However in 2 decades at best 5ys at worst, there will be a significant shift of power center in the geopolitics. Paradoxically, the socialist and extreme PC culture, which claims need for tolerance (as long as it is our tolerance) led to once united and homogenous societies with clear sets of values got oblitarated. The source of their past success is damaged and with little drive to rebuild it. Too much focus on consumption and egocentrizm.
Malcador Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 Trumpie won a stupid prize - 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
majestic Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, Darkpriest said: Paradoxically, the socialist and extreme PC culture, which claims need for tolerance (as long as it is our tolerance) led to once united and homogenous societies with clear sets of values got oblitarated. The source of their past success is damaged and with little drive to rebuild it. Too much focus on consumption and egocentrizm. 3 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering.
Elerond Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520 My **** post seems to be closer the truth than I thought
Zoraptor Posted January 6, 2021 Posted January 6, 2021 3 hours ago, the_dog_days said: US gave Al-Qaeda a start by funding them in the late 80's through the 90's. The Obama admiration did the same thing ISIS. They didn't even exist and until the US gave them weapons. ISIS existed from 2005, it's a direct successor to Zarqawi's Al Qaeda in Iraq. Which was a separate entity which joined Al Qaeda as a franchisee so probably 2005 is the fairest time for its establishment. It became the Islamic State in Iraq, then ISIS, then formally 'Dawlah' IS as a 'Caliphate' once they reinvaded Iraq from Syria and took Mosul. Now, the rest is more interesting. ISI under Baghdadi sent support to the Syrian rebels- Jabhat al Nusra, the 'Support Front', now Hayat Tahrir al Sham and supposedly independent of Al Qaeda (now officially Hurras ad Din, in Syria)- while it was still under the umbrella of Al Qaeda, its very name tells you that it did exist before the US gave them weapons, though it was not significant at the start. They had a lot of success though since they were ruthless, got support from US allies and eventually grew. In 2013/4 JaN split along the lines of Al Qaeda and ISIS loyalties, and a bunch of other groups joined ISIS, they reinvaded Iraq and took Mosul etc then became enemy #1. In terms of support for ISIS/ JaN from the US, there was quite a lot of it though most of it was clandestine and indirect, and hence deniable. By the measure of the US itself they definitely supported ISIS- almost all the top ISIS leaders including Baghdadi were held and released by the US previously, they operated with impunity for years and were armed and trained via operations like Timber Sycamore. Ironically, these are exactly the accusations the US levels at Iran to show they support Al Qaeda... To be fair, most of the arming and training done was to 'moderate rebels' that somehow despite the no doubt careful vetting joined decidedly non moderate ISIS later, and not directly to JaN, though they certainly knew that US allies (Turkey, Qatar) were supporting JaN directly. That is also the source of the infamous 'McCain meets Baghdadi' photo, while it isn't Baghdadi the 'moderate rebels' he was photographed with went on to become senior ISIS leaders. The US never, bar one occasion, significantly bombed IS if they were attacking the 'correct' targets and infamously never targeted their main source of revenue, oil, since most of that money was going to/ from Erdogan's son. The one occasion in which they did attack ISIS on a frontline with Assad they 'accidentally' attacked Assad's troops instead, and handed ISIS the main defensive position overlooking Deir Ez Zor airport. Indeed, that attack persisted so long that the Russians allegedly only stopped it by directly threatening to shoot down the Danish and Australian planes involved, after the senior US officer on the deescalation line was for some reason absent for 45 minutes. Overall there's no doubt in the slightest that the US under Obama was at minimum fine with ISIS, so long as it was attacking Shia militia and Assad, supported those who later joined it as 'moderate rebels' and even post Caliphate declaration tolerated it, so long as it was threatening their mutual enemies. It was only when they started threatening US interests that they became an evil that had to be stopped. It's very doubtful that Obama had any direct operational knowledge of most of this, but then if you use that excuse for him you have to use that excuse for Bush as well. 1
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