Gromnir Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Dominion Voting Systems files $1.3B defamation lawsuit against pro-Trump lawyer Sidney Powell The 124-page complaint filed in a Washington, D.C., federal court alleges Powell “promote[d] a false preconceived narrative” about the 2020 vote, which included unsubstantiated claims that the company was established in Venezuela as part of a vote-rigging operation in favor of the late socialist leader Hugo Chávez and that Dominion bribed state officials in Georgia to secure its contract. billion. ... well, it seems it is "go big or go home," for dominion. any chance tiger williams is the ceo o' dominion? HA! Good Fun! 1 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshae Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, ComradeMaster said: I will say this though, their may be a karma factor at play here, the U.S. government has been paying people in some countries to storm their capitols and overthrow unwanted "regimes", just look up The Ukraine for reference here. Chiciens come home to roost. Democracy is messy, yes, but still worth fighting for. "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amentep Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 4 hours ago, ComradeMaster said: You've said "conspiracy theory" almost five times. And that's a problem? 4 hours ago, ComradeMaster said: There's many things wrong with the Trump camp, rightfully believing to some degree that they're being shafted and lied to by the government is not one of them. Yes, Biden won fair and square but lingering populist sentiment is not going to go anywhere. There's a difference between "They're lying!" "No here's proof" "Okay I guess I was wrong. My bad" and "They're lying" "No here's proof" "YOU'RE IN ON IT TOO!" Can the government lie and cover up? Sure. But the more people who you include in a cover-up the less likely that cover-up will succeed (IIRC, there's a statistical estimate for the minimum number of people needed for the liklihood of exposure of a lie or cover-up being exposed). For the "Stolen Votes" theories to be correct a large, large number of people in both state and federal government have to be in on it (there's 159 counties in GA alone, each running their own elections with significant number of people involved in each county), so its already on shaky ground as a theory. Hence why, without evidence to change my opinion, I classify it as a conspiracy theory. 1 I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Amentep is obviously Illuminati, as well. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amentep Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Just now, Malcador said: Amentep is obviously Illuminati, as well. but that's because I'm a mod. I cannot - yet I must. How do you calculate that? At what point on the graph do "must" and "cannot" meet? Yet I must - but I cannot! ~ Ro-Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshae Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Well the mad king is going to snub the inauguration. Just imagine if he showed up anyway. Awkward... "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, rjshae said: Well the mad king is going to snub the inauguration. Just imagine if he showed up anyway. Awkward... Yeah, that'd be a **** show with the MAGA legion present. Well, maybe they'll still be there. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/us-capitol-riots-arrest-pelosi-desk/index.html Some of these people forget cameras are a thing. Edited January 8, 2021 by Malcador Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elerond Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 9 hours ago, Guard Dog said: Within 12 hours 4.00 Within 18 hours 2.5 Within 24 hours 0.09 Within 36 hours 0.000000000000000000000001 Unless he's kicked of Twitter, then all lines are closed! 12 hours even with Twitter ban for over half of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 have been hesitating to mention the legal stuff in part 'cause am gonna be disappointing a few. the individual rioters is gonna be subject to all kinda charges many which is so obvious we don't need mention, but am suspecting people have heard 'bout "sedition" mentioned much. 18 sections 2383 and 2384 is the most likely options beyond the vandalism o' fed property stuff, but keep in mind that as dramatic as seditious conspiracy sounds, the penalty is 10 years in prison and inability to hold public office in the future. the penalty for those who, "knowingly enters or remains in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority to do so," is up to ten years in prison, and a recent trump executive order made clear such violations were to be punished to the maximum allowable by statute. the goal o' the rioters is gonna be individual, but please keep in mind that an intent to overthrow the government is not required for insurrection. the intent to delay the legal recognition o' the electoral college results would be enough 'pon which to hang a charge o' insurrection. any act o' force coupled with requisite intent is gonna trigger 2383, and trespass past barricades and police is an act o' force from a legal pov. a whole lotta protesters is gonna be subject to insurrection charges. 2384, conspiracy, is the more difficult o' the two sedition charges to bring 'gainst the rioters 'cause as we keep mentioning, this were a mob. conspiracy requires coordination and organization. a handful o' the rioters made their plans known via social media, and those folks will indeed be subject to conspiracy charges if they had any kinda plans with fellow protesters to do mischief (a backpack full o zip ties and emails to their fellow proud boys would be enough) but the vast majority o' folks will be subject to 2383 as well as 18 sec. 1752 as 'posed to conspiracy. most people wanna know 'bout trump and giuliani and the other speakers who got the crowd worked up and exhorted 'em to the march on the capitol to do harm. ... we mentioned this a while back when addressing why a nutter publishing his manifesto were not gonna result in incitement charges, but the brandenburg test requires: 1) speech “directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action,” and 2) the speech need be, “likely to incite or produce such action.” *sigh* need satisfy both aspects and neither is a slam dunk for any o' the speakers who were egging on the protesters who would eventual become rioters. part o' the problem will be the hundreds o' times in the past trump has made similar inflammatory comments which did not result in riot, and rudy's "trial by combat" bit were just so bizarre that prove such would likely result in a serious call to arms would be a stretch. there is at least a good argument that trump and others wanted a crowd to march on the capitol when he made his comments, and based on reporting that trump were initial pleased with the lawlessness at the capitol will be relevant in a possible criminal action, however, given how erratic is trump, attempting to ascribe concrete motivations to anything he says is just such a crap shoot. the terrible reality is that the past four years o' bad behaviour and borderline insanity from trump helped to insulate him from a possible incitement charge. trump is so consistent erratic as defy any sorta attempt to divine intent and his bad speech is the norm as 'posed to the exception. furthermore, the resulting lawlessness might not be imminent enough to satisfy brandenburg. am knowing this is hard to accept, but first amendment protections is no joke, and when the Court speaks o' imminent for the purposes o' overcoming free speech protections, they has in all case law meant the kinda imminent which is offering an extreme limited temporal window. might as well be read as "immediate." may not seem logical, but fact you had folks riot after hearing trump(s) and giuliani is not meaningful proof that those speakers were producing requisite incitement for purposes o' overcoming first amendment protections. HOWEVER, am also recognizing that now that a cop died, is much more likely a prosecutor would take up the case. a jury is gonna want to hold somebody responsible, and a cop bludgeoned to death with a fire extinguisher is gonna have many/most juries looking for an excuse to hold somebody accountable. two cents worth o' feedback. HA! Good Fun! ps keep in mind we ain't slept more than an hour in two days, so we maybe left out something important... we will review at some point in future and no doubt mock our omissions/mistakes. 1 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 4 hours ago, ComradeMaster said: I will say this though, their may be a karma factor at play here, the U.S. government has been paying people in some countries to storm their capitols and overthrow unwanted "regimes", just look up The Ukraine for reference here. Bolivia would have been the most recent one, and that was about a year ago. Most of the people involved don't need to be paid though, that's the genius part. It's far easier to whip them up with, er, false narratives of stolen elections, ignoring the constitution etc. If you pay someone it's only the military guy who orders troops to start shooting Morales supporters having done nothing about the people installing a 'popular' leader with a staggering... 3% support. 4 hours ago, Elerond said: Meaning there is probably nothing that you can do to de-escalate situation with those people You're not aiming to de-escalate the situation with those people though. 70 odd million people voted Trump, something like 2000 (?) stormed the Capitol. The trouble is that you simultaneously have people talking about reconciliation while even here advocating for the protesters to have been machine gunned down (after all, while bother going for Bolivia and Anez when you can go straight to Syria and Assad), show trials for treason etc. No doubt the usual suspect will complain about a thin end of wedge analogy being used, but we're talking about a situation which is massively polarised, if you're talking about show trials, massive use of force etc etc you are fulfilling the worst fears of many of the 70 odd million people who voted for Trump. I like historical analogies rather a lot, and what did the damage to the Roman Republic from their Capitol being stormed was pretty much never the storming itself, but the response to it- and the systematic stake inflation resulting from those who were 'just defending the republic from the mob' and used it to justify pretty much anything and everything escalating from political murder to mass political murder to outright invading Rome and publishing literal death lists. Just about every step that resultd in the Republic's collapse apart from mobs in the Capitol was taken by an Optimate, not a Populare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) worth mentioning 'cause we ain't seen it yet suggested, but as 'posed to 25th amendment (unlikely for political and mechanical reasons) or censure, (*snort*) impeachment for purposes o' seeking disqualification does not require a 2/3 majority conviction in the senate. the senate may vote to prevent trump from ever holding future public office by a simple majority vote. as such, Congress, as punishment, could prevent trump from ever seeking elected office in the future. am suspecting a few democrat legal scholars is considering this possibility if not now then once they attain a senate majority, though am thinking to make it work politically, you need at least a few republican senators to sign on to the move. HA! Good Fun! Edited January 8, 2021 by Gromnir "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) Why even bother with that though. If Trump's conduct is so disqualifying and unpopular he wouldn't get elected if he subsequently stood anyway. Barring him from office would give Democrats a chub no doubt, but that shouldn't be the main aim, and it will play into a persecution narrative perfectly. "They're so frightened of me, of you the American people, and all our winning that Sleepy Joe has to ban me because he knows he'll lose so badly next time even fraud won't save him. SAD!" etc From an out and out punishment perspective the worst thing that could happen to Trump is not being banned from office- if anything that'll bolster his ego, as above- but being allowed to run and failing miserably. Which, if his conduct genuinely has been so bad, should happen. Edited January 8, 2021 by Zoraptor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 14 minutes ago, Zoraptor said: Why even bother with that though. obvious reason to do so is precedent. fact there is only a few days left in the administration should not preclude some kinda meaningful response to the excesses of this Presidency. first ever President disqualified after a second impeachment? will be historic relevant. meaningful more in future than today. trump will be the answer to trivia questions and multiple choice civics exams 'bout the only two-time impeached president. 100 years from now school kids will have difficulty recalling why john quincy adams was a President of significance, but they will likely know trump and they will know for infamy. is also a possible misunderstanding regarding trump popularity and disqualification. trump is popular in many parts of the country. trump current has zero chance o' being reelected as President four years from now (situation can change,) but he could win as a Congressman from florida. be denied this possibility would be significant. whatever ego boost trump gets from being victimized by democrats AND republicans (as we noted, this won't work political w/o republicans) as he is shown the door and excluded from the political process, it will be equal emasculating to be kicked out of washington... forever. ultimate indignity. trump has always railed 'gainst being excluded from the old money elites o' ny society who always treated him little better than the serving staff. excluded is not something trump handles well. a final indignity to a President who lost house, lost senate and lost Presidency? trump is gonna play the victim role regardless. might as well give him something to genuine cry 'bout and doing so would be precedent setting. HA! Good Fun! 3 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 update: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/house-democrats-impeachment-plans/index.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/impeachment-trump-congress/2021/01/08/2a0d83ca-51c3-11eb-b96e-0e54447b23a1_story.html https://www.foxnews.com/politics/will-democrats-impeach-trump-how-it-works is increasing likely trump is impeached a second time. impeached and convicted by senate with 2/3 majority before the end of trump's term is unlikely. "why even bother," is a more relevant question unless the goal is disqualification, 'cause trump will likely be out of office before a senate trial is concluded. a 2/3 conviction removes from office and disqualifies. am suspecting very few folks realize that the senate does not need 2/3 to disqualify, but such will become known soon. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshae Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 permanent suspended. HA! Good Fun! 1 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelee Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Gromnir said: permanent suspended. HA! Good Fun! funny that i learned this first from OBS forums than from my usual doomscrolling. about five years too late, but I guess it's still something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melkathi Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 So since my understanding of US law is limited to some brief stuff mentioned during some international law lectures I had to attend and mainly comes from watching a lot of Law & Order, Boston Legal and the odd legal drama like Runaway Jury or Legally Blond, are those "conspiracy crossing state lines" charges from the Chicago Seven applicable here? Unobtrusively informing you about my new ebook (which you should feel free to read and shower with praise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melkathi Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 43 minutes ago, Gromnir said: permanent suspended. HA! Good Fun! Apparently it is only the account though and not he as a person? Unobtrusively informing you about my new ebook (which you should feel free to read and shower with praise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshae Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 A ban that would actually matter: Pelosi Asks Military To Limit Trump's Nuclear Authority. Here's How That System Works It's not going to happen though. Scary time. "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 18 hours ago, Chairchucker said: Hey there America What are you doing This meme had me go watch the video again. It is still amazing. 10 million people thumbs upped it. Also, 743k people downthumbed it, and I'm pretty sure a few of those were at the Capitol Building Wednesday. There are some dumb people out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 14 hours ago, Lexx said: I have a hard time seeing this as an attempted coup ... because if that was, then this must have been the dumbest attempt at a coup ever. Like, man, you gotta seize media centers and military bases and other important infrastructure ... trying to hold capitol hill is figuratively just a hill to die on. This is pure, lazy dumbness. It definitely wasn't a coup and I am glad you observed this because I tried to make this point to Elrond and I dont think I convinced him We see this type of hyperbole from both sides on certain developments and hopefully now there should be less of it Trump started it but the Democrats also did it sometimes or refused to call out and anarchy from any BLM or Antifa . Politicians must be more consistent with their concerns and outrage because it leads to citizens thinking they can do the same as the law no longer matters "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 TRUMP LOCKED OUT - Twitter: Permanent - Facebook: Indefinitely - Instagram: Indefinitely - Snapchat: Indefinitely - Twitch: Indefinitely Well, I suppose there's always OnlyFans for him now... 1 "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 14 minutes ago, Raithe said: TRUMP LOCKED OUT - Twitter: Permanent - Facebook: Indefinitely - Instagram: Indefinitely - Snapchat: Indefinitely - Twitch: Indefinitely Well, I suppose there's always OnlyFans for him now... Unfortunately Trumps usage of Twitter became one of the real issues with his presidency You cannot have a president of the USA using Twitter to communicate his personal thoughts, or his real views or just a silly comment It added to the confusion and over analysis which tended to be wrong about what Trump was thinking or would do next The only positive was it absolutely unnerved and confused the countries that we generally considered adversaries of the USA like NK and China because they couldnt read his intent "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarpen Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 27 minutes ago, Raithe said: TRUMP LOCKED OUT - Twitter: Permanent - Facebook: Indefinitely - Instagram: Indefinitely - Snapchat: Indefinitely - Twitch: Indefinitely A sitting president blocked by corporations. You guys might vote for Biden, might end up with Kamala as "president" might elect a third party in the future, but this right there is establishing your new corporate masters that you are to afraid to oppose or stand up to. The US laws and rules will not be discussed and established in DC. They will be coming from Silicon Valley by a top priority email. And remember you chose this and you applauded to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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