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11 hours ago, Guard Dog said:

Is it really so different than Clinton pardoning Marc Rich? There are naught but rats in the sewer. Trump IS  worse than Biden. Maybe even worse than Clinton. But only by degree in terms of ethics.  Or mybe just more brazen in his ignorance. I'll take incompetent over corrupted when given the choice but all I see is a helping of both. 

The US is fresh out of John McCains I'm sorry to say. I won't vote for either. To hell with them. 

I always maintained the best candidate to challenge Trump was going to be  Biden, but until the virus I didnt think the Democrats would even win as Trump had some real successes around a more cohesive political strategy and his economic advisors did indeed do something impressive with making the USA economy even stronger. Nowadays I refuse to give Trump intellectual recognition for any successful policy that he had no contribution towards, Trump was always about the theater and how he connects with certain people around some valid issues and he was the reason the Trump base exists which unfortunately has some people in it who vote on what Trump says and they dont reflect on the actual outcomes or truth. I dont think this is how people should make voting decisions in any Democracy 

The Republicans should have won the election on the success of the USA economy, its not unusual to see this in countries as it is real and matters. But Trump would have misunderstood his victory and I would have been concerned how controversial his next 4 years would have been. I doubt Trump will win and Im glad as Im happy to close the book on the Trump presidency ...you have successes and valid support for him but there is far too much dichotomy and erosion of presidential decorum. It was an very interesting political experiment but it was unnecessary. Lets go back to normal political engagement driven by the established politicians who do care as its a permanent job

Im sure Biden will win and I have a few minor concerns with his way of framing some points but its not that extreme and it wont be nearly as bad as the last 4 years of Trumps comments and  " alternative facts "  and endless inaccurate views on some things. No Biden will never stoop to that level .....Im just worried about a Democratic presidency and some policy changes that will harm and or weaken the USA but Biden not an Democratic:"  extremist "like Warren and Bernie. And I like both of them on a personal level but to defeat Trump you shouldn't become the antithesis of Trump but on the left ....it makes  some of the Democratic  policies more extreme and unnecessarily socialist 

Also once I started understanding Trumps mannerisms, impulsive nature ,  ways of engaging and bizarre ways of making exaggerated points   you dont get as frustrated because things that actually really matter to a stable world he hasnt been able to undermine. For example any attempt by him to remove Russia sanctions or support Russia in other concerning ways was almost unanimously blocked by the Senate which is basically controlled by traditional Republicans who wont compromise on these types of things and debate this point with Trump but they basically pass a bill or resolution  ( I think this is what it is called ) that makes things like reducing Russian sanctions dead...the sanctions have actually correctly increased. This is good news and behavior from the Republican lawmakers I would expect 

You take this latest Stone pardon, there is no point getting upset with Trump about this as this is exactly what you can expect from Trump...especially around Stone. Trump has often  spoken his mind openly about certain issues that other presidents would have not commented on. His usage of Twitter is part of this and sometimes I agree with Trump because he taps into some  views people have or a ideological comment that I support ...but I find myself more disappointed with some of his comments 

Only Trump would be so openly supportive of a person like Stone, its not like Stone is a mass murderer. He has had a long career of success in lobbying and does have global political relationships that can be useful. But he also has had some serious criticisms leveled towards him around how he can cross the line of acceptable political ideas or suggestions but these suggestions resonate with Trump and make sense to him so to him Stone is a good supporter who " understands how to get results " .

Stone was always going to get pardoned and I dont see it as such a big deal or another example of Trumps contempt for " legal rulings or judicial  sentencing " because quite simply Trump doesn't care about these things because Stone to him was unfairly targeted 
 I am not trying to suggest Stone didn't break the law but I read what he was charged for ... "federal prison to serve a 40-month sentence for seven felonies, including lying to federal investigators, tampering with a witness and impeding a congressional inquiry. He had aggressively lobbied for clemency, both in the courts and on social media "

Now of course these are all potentially criminal acts but it was all about the Mueller report and how some of Trumps supporters lied about there own involvement about  meeting with Russians. And the Mueller Report did matter because it was relevant who met  with the Russians and what was discussed. I didnt believe Trump had a secret personal agreement with Russia but people did cross the line and several people were jailed but Stones crime was more about protecting Trump than  calculated criminal act so I can live with his pardon 

 

 

 

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"Missed opportunity there. Teenagers are going to be naive and think they know everything. That is the way the youth works, and it can be great. The idealism of youth can be wonderful. It needs to be tempered with realism, but that is where being an adult parent comes in. Instead of getting angry, it should have been used as a teachable moment. "

 

That's not idealism that's idiocy. Here's her father who fled their country of origin, moved to the US knowing that comes with hardships of its own (including dealing with racist white and black people) yet feeling he made the right choice for his family. For her. He tells her this over the years then one day she promptly turns around and calls HIM a lying scumbag. That's not idealism. That's evil, twisted, and sick. And, don't blame her youth. That's an insult to young people. I dunno about you but I was a kid once. She's a scumbag who claimed her dad lied to her b/c of nonsense the Amerikan college was telling her. He lived it. LMAO

 

1 hour ago, Hurlshot said:

 

"I wonder how a jew that escaped Auschwitz or Treblinka would react to a daughter or granddaughter that come home from college denying the holocaust happened."

Game over. Game over.

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gd sounds much like an early 20th century marxist. what marx followers got wrong were the inevitability o' collapse. self-defeating prophecy. the capitalists woke up in time, thanks in part to marx, and made just enough changes so revolution were anything but inevitable. maybe some folks wanna argue revolution and rebuild woulda' been better, but such is a different issue altogether. fact is the collapse were not a certitude in spite o' fact obstacles to change and scope o' threat were far more dire than those we face today.

am not being dismissive o' 2020 debt growth and income inequality problems. contrary.  situation is worse than many wanna pretend. am so inexplicable frustrated by those who saw recent years as some kinda economic boom w/o recognizing how underlying problems were getting worse at an alarming rate. Gromnir is precise the guy who were making money these past few years and even we can see how paying off debt with more debt is not sustainable... and use cooked unemployment numbers don't actual make employment situation better, particular when in decades past a single minimum wage earner were enough for statistic average sized family to survive in the USA.  etc.

predictions o' doom is not misplaced. many problems. many enormous problems.

gd reads history, so he should be aware we has stood at the edge o' the abyss many times. pretend as if this time we is safe 'cause we escaped doom all those other times is foolish. similar, presume doom is inevitable in spite o' all the other past certain collapses is equal naive from our pov.

serious, US social and economic cataclysms is a bit like a buffy universe apocalypses-- they happen all the time.

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50 minutes ago, Guard Dog said:

I wonder how a jew that escaped Auschwitz or Treblinka would react to a daughter or granddaughter that come home from college denying the holocaust happened. There is a school of thought in the US that very much wants to erase communism's sins and exalt it into something it never was to suit a political end. 

don't be like vol. take an extreme example and somehow makes it emblematic o' an entire group is wrong, and you know it. 

is tragic how popularity o' fox news proved it were commercial viable to sell modern mass media as a product which were meant to not only resonate with a particular viewpoint, but to further polarize. fox model had competing organizations dueling to out conservative or out liberal each other to appeal to their respective audiences. fox did what were obvious in retrospect and sold people news as the audience wished it to be.

unfortunate, the alternative facts culture has become less fringe with each passing year. viewpoint news were hardly new in US history, but viewpoint history as some kinda packaged and sellable commodity is... well, ok, that ain't new either. difference is the speed with which stuff is available and proliferates. am pretty certain gd wouldn't have used the link to the racist puke promoting greater access to guns and ammo if he knew more 'bout the kid's credentials, but in today's world, who can keep up with such stuff? history and facts is viewpoint specific? no, but you wouldn't realize that truth if your only experience were the internet.  armed with google and a bit o' free time, you can always find a dissenting opinion on any historical issue.

is why @Hurlshot and his observation 'bout teachable moments is so important. when faced with angry, stoopid and ignorant, responding with anger and indignation is not gonna be helpful if you wanna bring 'bout education. teachable moments we suspect hurl references is not like how board issues play out, thank goodness. the holocaust survivor who is confronted by holocaust denialism gains little by raging at the offender and sending 'em a text with links to a half-dozen holocaust history sites. 

"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."

turn holocaust into some kinda viewpoint battle does not promote education. 

regardless, @Guard Dog, be better than vol. 

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30 minutes ago, Gromnir said:

don't be like vol. take an extreme example and somehow makes it emblematic o' an entire group is wrong, and you know it. 

 

I agree with the general sentiment of the importance of the idealism of youth and how this should be  constructively managed but I dont think the Cuba story is the same thing. Also you wont find Jewish children dismissive of the holocaust because that history of the Jewish is always taught and accepted by the Jewish people....I have never met any Jew who isnt aware of the holocaust 

This particular Cuba view   is representative of several other narratives that are inaccurate in the world that you still come across. The reoccurring one is this view of Communism\Socialism that it " wasnt so bad "  and some university lecturers in SA I know of present "socialism "  as a viable alternative to the proven success of the global free market system. Its misplaced because it normally blames inequality on the economic system when many other factors contribute towards people living in poverty 

I think the young lady has obviously come across   this spurious  view but it somehow has been associated with the failures of the Cuba. No one is suggesting Communism and Socialism was the same thing, both the USSR and Cuba had very different governments and different definitions of what Communism\Socialism meant but both failed for different reasons ....for example  these systems dont allow sustainable and inclusive economies. I do think the Cubans did more good in the interests of a better world than the USSR if I consider there efforts in Africa

I personally believe families, who have a legacy and direct connection to parts of history,  have a real responsibility to explain to young people how certain events in  history have directly impacted them and you need to accept this as your family are well meaning and in most cases are correct . So Im surprised the Dad has not explained the history of the Cuban revolution and how tens of thousands of Cubans were forced to leave Cuba due to Castros policies that were mandatory and basically didnt  allow citizens to disagree with the state or question the new economic reality  ....even if there were human rights abuses and erosion of human rights 

Im sure the Dad is well meaning but he should have educated his daughter on the reality of the Cuban revolution .....you cant blame the daughter for misunderstanding issues with Communism and assuming they dont apply to Cuba which is not the reason people question how Castro run the country 

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9 hours ago, Volourn said:

So.. a latino owned food company is being  'boycotted' because Trump hates latinos….. HAHAHA.

Thought it was because the CEO decided to say "We're all truly blessed at the same time to have a leader like President Trump, who is a builder."  which is...a very creative interpretation of the man to say the least.  

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"don't be like vol. take an extreme example and somehow makes it emblematic o' an entire group is wrong, and you know it. "

 

It's 2020. I'm just following the example our SJW Overlords set. :)

 

 

"Thought it was because the CEO decided to say "We're all truly blessed at the same time to have a leader like President Trump, who is a builder."  which is...a very creative interpretation of the man to say the least. "

 

ie. He praised Trump who 'hates' ALL LATINOS SUPPOSEDLY so to get back at Trump for being anti latino you stop supporting a latino business.

 

LOGIKZ.

 

Reminds me of the white BLMer/Antifa attacking a black person who doesn't parrot their talking points and calling them nasty racist things. LMAO

 

 

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Well, would be worth boycotting for that display, maybe. But is stupid, proper target is the CEO himself, but you'll have to damage so many employees to get to him, it's not worth it.

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6 hours ago, BruceVC said:

 

Stone was always going to get pardoned and I dont see it as such a big deal or another example of Trumps contempt for " legal rulings or judicial  sentencing " because quite simply Trump doesn't care about these things because Stone to him was unfairly targeted 
 I am not trying to suggest Stone didn't break the law but I read what he was charged for ... "federal prison to serve a 40-month sentence for seven felonies, including lying to federal investigators, tampering with a witness and impeding a congressional inquiry. He had aggressively lobbied for clemency, both in the courts and on social media "

Now of course these are all potentially criminal acts but it was all about the Mueller report and how some of Trumps supporters lied about there own involvement about  meeting with Russians. And the Mueller Report did matter because it was relevant who met  with the Russians and what was discussed. I didnt believe Trump had a secret personal agreement with Russia but people did cross the line and several people were jailed but Stones crime was more about protecting Trump than  calculated criminal act so I can live with his pardon 

 

wtf? seriously, wtf?

anybody else lies to federal prosecutors, impedes a Congressional investigation and threatens witnesses with murder and it not matter if is mueller or some random oil pipeline investigation or fed free-range abuse case 'cause the d-bag is going to prison for such crimes once convicted. what the hell do you mean by distinguishing 'tween protecting trump and criminal acts? the criminal acts were not obscure and stone sure as hell knew what he were doing could be criminalized. weren't some archaic bit o' legal mumbo jumbo which resulted in conviction o' otherwise benign behaviour.

what is with some of you people? 

stone got sentence commuted 'cause he didn't rat out trump. period. commuted sentence was a reward for staying loyal to the don. the day his sentence were commuted, stone public stated how much easier it would have been if he had cut a deal with feds. how can you be ok with that? 

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honestly, what is wrong with some of you? this is not normal. this should not just be another trump moment.

btw, this corrupt BS couldn't happen in south africa preciscely 'cause your constitution prohibits such nonsense... and you still don't see a problem?

am disappointed in you bruce.

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8 hours ago, HoonDing said:

is something ends in -ism its prolly gonna suck

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21 minutes ago, Gromnir said:

wtf? seriously, wtf?

anybody else lies to federal prosecutors, impedes a Congressional investigation and threatens witnesses with murder and it not matter if is mueller or some random oil pipeline investigation or fed free-range abuse case 'cause the d-bag is going to prison for such crimes once convicted. what the hell do you mean by distinguishing 'tween protecting trump and criminal acts? the criminal acts were not obscure and stone sure as hell knew what he were doing could be criminalized. weren't some archaic bit o' legal mumbo jumbo which resulted in conviction o' otherwise benign behaviour.

what is with some of you people? 

stone got sentence commuted 'cause he didn't rat out trump. period. commuted sentence was a reward for staying loyal to the don. the day his sentence were commuted, stone public stated how much easier it would have been if he had cut a deal with feds. how can you be ok with that? 

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honestly, what is wrong with some of you? this is not normal. this should not just be another trump moment.

btw, this corrupt BS couldn't happen in south africa preciscely 'cause your constitution prohibits such nonsense... and you still don't see a problem?

am disappointed in you bruce.

Please dont misunderstand me, Stone did commit a crime  and I can honestly understand your personal frustration  of many of the controversial realities of the Trump presidency because you do understand the law and the Constitution, and you know these work and matter due to your career,  and certain things Trump has done can definitely be seen as utter contempt for the Constitution and for me personally he undermined the normal decorum of what being a president means. Many of Trumps real hardcore detractors are lawyers and dislike Trump because of him undermining or abusing the Constitution and this means he undermines core American values....yet he is suppose to the president??

I cant argue with this because people explain the legal issue and it true because these people are qualified and give examples, I would never expect you to agree with my broader point of " Stones pardon isnt such a big deal " because how can you compromise your fundamental beliefs which you know works more than it fails US society 

This is more of an anomaly in how presidents in the USA behave  and its all about the unique reality of the Trump presidency .....it will be over soon so we wont this type of abuse of presidential power so I always ask when these events occur " what does it really mean apart from the obvious blatant Trump  logic "

Stone did receive  a unreasonable pardon but is he really a committed criminal, like a murderer or  a drug dealer ? What he did was misplaced support for Trump...its sad and I personally dont like Stones general views around integrity but he is someone who has real international contacts and experience so people sometimes use his services

And finally even if you still disagree on the understandable legal principle Trumps legacy is gone forever and everything he felt matters has been eroded by the virus and the economic outcome. He is bitter and even more publicly controversial....but this is all he has now and he will make these types of pardons because he still remembers when it mattered 

So why get additionally upset by Trump when he is going to do this with even less concern....it just seems a waste of energy considering all the other virus related problems the world and USA is grappling with  

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51 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

 

Stone did receive  a unreasonable pardon but is he really a committed criminal, like a murderer or  a drug dealer ?

stop. just... stop. you gotta realize this kinda argument has zero substance and yet is the only reason we can see for your willingness to overlook how stone were convicted o' multiple counts o' lying to federal investigators (who woulda' thought that would be a crime?) impeding a Congressional inquiry ( well, the last few years has shown us it is ok if the President obstructs Congress, and stone were pretty much working for trump. therefore...) and threatening witnesses with death... honest we can't find a sarcastic way to spin that one. you?

worse than a drug dealer? well, fed drug crimes have pretty steep sentences with minimum five years for most offenses.  kid gets caught in an airport with 50 grams o' meth he acquired in europe and were gonna sell to his frat buddies who all chipped in so he could make purchase.  stone worse than frat dude drug dealer? 'cause frat dude is likely looking at minimum 10 years 'cause o' high volume. stone were getting off relative ez by comparison, you know with his freaking death threats o' witnesses and all.

maybe fed ain't your thing. common law? worse than arson? heck, nobody got hurt and were just an old abandoned building which burned. 

sexual assault? 

kiddie porn?

toxic waste dumping?

tell us how witness tampering ain't considered a real crime in sa, particular when tampering includes believable threats o' serious physical violence and/or death?

start making a list and let bruce judge which crimes is real and which ain't? 

no thanks.

so stop.

oh, and am not particular upset with trump. after three years we expect corruption and mendacity from the President. am upset with bruce and those like you. each new implausible trumpism is marginalized or ignored. somehow each new violation o' law and public trust is no big deal to bruce. others seem to believe this kinda thing happens with every other President but somehow the deep state were out to get trump so only difference is we know 'bout trump... and at least he stands for good American values, right?

is not trump who has us wasting energy 'cause am knowing he is a lost cause. is bruce who disappoints.  

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6 minutes ago, Gromnir said:

stop. just... stop. you gotta realize this kinda argument has zero substance and yet is the only reason we can see for your willingness to overlook how stone were convicted o' multiple counts o' lying to federal investigators (who woulda' thought that would be a crime?) impeding a Congressional inquiry ( well, the last few years has shown us it is ok if the President obstructs Congress, and stone were pretty much working for trump. therefore...) and threatening witnesses with death... honest we can't find a sarcastic way to spin that one. you?

worse than a drug dealer? well, fed drug crimes have pretty steep sentences with minimum five years for most offenses.  kid gets caught in an airport with 50 grams o' meth he acquired in europe and were gonna sell to his frat buddies who all chipped in so he could make purchase.  sione worse than frat dude drug dealer? 'cause frat dude is likely looking at minimum 10 years 'cause o' high volume. stone were getting off relative ez by comparison. 

maybe fed ain't your thing. common law? worse than arson? heck, nobody got hurt and were just an old abandoned building which burned. 

sexual assault? 

kiddie porn?

toxic waste dumping?

start making a list and let bruce judge which crimes is real and which ain't? 

no thanks.

so stop.

oh, and am not particular upset with trump. after three years we expect corruption and mendacity from the President. am upset with bruce and those like you. each new implausible trumpism is marginalized or ignored. somehow each new violation o' law and public trust is no big deal to bruce. others seem to believe this kinda thing happens with every other President but somehow the deep state were out to get trump so only difference is we know 'bout trump... and at least he stands for good American values, right?

is not trump who has us wasting energy 'cause am knowing he is a lost cause. is bruce who disappoints.  

Fair enough its not convincing to compare what we define as " legitimate crimes " ...you break the law there must be consequences and I support this across the board with obvious extenuating circumstances where applicable and reasonable " wife shoots her husband due to years of abuse .....its not murder and she should not go to jail " 

But you must realize the Trump presidency has been full of outcomes and actions that have been unprecedented and this is one of them but I am not dismissing it because the respect of law doesnt matter to me or even more absurd blaming things on imaginary problems like the Deep State...... Its because I am almost convinced Trump will lose so I can now see things returning to normal which means we wont ever see this again from a USA president

Thats good news for me but the Stone pardon didnt upset me because this is exactly normal Trump irrational but consistent Trump behavior ....its not the normal way any Democratic country would be governed. So I am not justifying it but rather acccepting this as " normal " for Trump when he makes these decisions 

 

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2 hours ago, Gromnir said:

stone got sentence commuted 'cause he didn't rat out trump. period. commuted sentence was a reward for staying loyal to the don. the day his sentence were commuted, stone public stated

Most likely. I just wouldn't put it past Trump to not give a damn about Stone and commute the sentence because he knows it riles up people. After all, chaos is his element. It could also be a bit of both. After all, It doesn't cost him anything to do so (he can't really lose any credibility that he doesn't have)

 

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28 minutes ago, Gorth said:

Most likely. I just wouldn't put it past Trump to not give a damn about Stone and commute the sentence because he knows it riles up people. After all, chaos is his element. It could also be a bit of both. After all, It doesn't cost him anything to do so (he can't really lose any credibility that he doesn't have)

 

Gorthfuscious with the reality of the virus and the global economic impact how do you feel about the world and society in general. For example some well being people in the beginning of the virus use to say things like "this is going to lead to a better world as we all become more compassionate and care more about people in poverty " 

You normally are a little cynical, which I have to honest I am not sure  its true because you dont come across as a truly cynical person, but I am sure our definitions of cynicism will slightly differ 

But how do you feel now, for example are you concerned with the potential risk to Oz if the virus spreads ?

 

 

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32 minutes ago, BruceVC said:

Gorthfuscious with the reality of the virus and the global economic impact how do you feel about the world and society in general. For example some well being people in the beginning of the virus use to say things like "this is going to lead to a better world as we all become more compassionate and care more about people in poverty " 

You normally are a little cynical, which I have to honest I am not sure  its true because you dont come across as a truly cynical person, but I am sure our definitions of cynicism will slightly differ 

But how do you feel now, for example are you concerned with the potential risk to Oz if the virus spreads ?

 

 

I'll have to save this one for tomorrow... but then I'll do my best to answer.

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40 minutes ago, Gorth said:

I'll have to save this one for tomorrow... but then I'll do my best to answer.

Please dont forget because I am genuinely interested in your opinion because I want to share something with you that is a positive but you may already be well aware 

So go into as much detail as you feel you need ....I can always have more detail in important introspective questions we should all be asking ourselves about what this virus and the reality of the proper lockdown and subsequent " virus best practice " means to us and our views on what defines us

It cannot end sooner enough for me, human beings are gregarious creatures by nature and most of us need to interact with other people in different ways. This artificial shutdown and lack of personal connection with everyone correctly  wearing masks just makes it more foreign.....so I am predicting until the vaccine becomes mainstream this will be our reality.....its not great especially when you live by yourself and I only see my family  1 in 120 days ...and I dont have long-term friends living in my complex so it gets lonely at times  

 

Thank goodness for PC gaming and software tools that allow me to interact with people remotely 

 

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6 hours ago, Gorth said:

Most likely. I just wouldn't put it past Trump to not give a damn about Stone and commute the sentence because he knows it riles up people. After all, chaos is his element. It could also be a bit of both. After all, It doesn't cost him anything to do so (he can't really lose any credibility that he doesn't have)

 

oh, that's part o' it. a friday stone commute distracts his base from the 137k dead with hospitalizations and positivity rates climbing. 

Three Weeks After Trump's Tulsa Rally, Oklahoma Reports Record High COVID-19 Numbers

so yeah, trump wants a distraction... but why stone and not any other fabricated distraction?

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ps (added) as proof trump is incapable o' learning, use stone and flynn and other such stuff as distractions is utter pointless with covid which is not gonna just go away. the economic and human devastation brought about US ineptitude in handling the pandemic is not like ivanka's private email blunders. even if we are talking 'bout stone on monday and tuesday, by end of next week, US death total will be right 'round 140k and that is what most +60-year-old fox viewers with comorbidities will be worried 'bout. 

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BLM strikes again and murders two cops - who may or may not be white - because.... they dared to answer a domestic violence call! Barely a peep .  BLM and Antifa continue their mass murders and people still believe they're all about love and peace. LMAO

 

How many blacks, whites, latinos, babies, men, and women must they murder before they are treated  like the evil doers they are. At this rate they'll have killed more people than the KKK ever did. That is sad and scary.

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Maybe not politics per se, just an aspect of law and all..

But oy vey

The Root - Lawyer for Michican couple who pulled gun on black family, claming they were victics of 'ethnic intimidation'

"They were black, and they wanted an apology for nearly hitting their 15 year old daughter when I was driving out from the store not giving a damn. Of course I felt initmidated, I was scared for my life so I pulled a gun and kept screaming what a badass I was at them..."

"Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum."

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27 minutes ago, Volourn said:

BLM strikes again and murders two cops - who may or may not be white - because.... they dared to answer a domestic violence call! Barely a peep .  BLM and Antifa continue their mass murders and people still believe they're all about love and peace. LMAO

 

How many blacks, whites, latinos, babies, men, and women must they murder before they are treated  like the evil doers they are. At this rate they'll have killed more people than the KKK ever did. That is sad and scary.

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likely genesis

Two Texas police officers fatally shot while responding to a domestic disturbance

if you are confused by vol description v. what is reported in the link, see our previous posts regarding vol transitive property quirks. 

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So, the guardian writes another racist article. LMAO

 

And, if I were to hazard a guess, those two officers sound like they may be latinos.

 

Grom may get butthurt but facts are facts. BLM and Antifa  state that cops are evil and must be destroyed. A police ambush occurs, two officers die, the suspect kills themselves, this is clearly  a BLM/Antifa  (sponsored and approved) attack.

 

And, we all know it. 

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told ya.

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