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Pallegina should have been like Viconia in baldurs gate.. through dialogues (perhaps through romance) , your character should have been able to change pallegina views regarding the republics, changing pallegina personality. dont undestand why pallegina in poe2 lacked criticism for the republics. i think the player should have been able to mold pallegina views like in poe1.


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Ehh. What I liked about PoE1 Pallegina and missed in Deadfire Pal, is that she wasn't so zealous nor she followed her orders blindly.
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Ehh. What I liked about PoE1 Pallegina and missed in Deadfire Pal, is that she wasn't so zealous nor she followed her orders blindly.

 

Hm. It was always strange for me, in PoE 1 - Pallegina could obbey the orders becose of... becose you can chat for 1 minute with her and convince trained and devoted soldier/paladin to obbey her orders. Great.


Edited by Phenomenum, 16 March 2019 - 10:13 AM.

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They did. She is damn near intolerable in this one, made worse by the retconnin of your PoE decisions.

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Pallegina should have been like Viconia in baldurs gate.. through dialogues (perhaps through romance) , your character should have been able to change pallegina views regarding the republics, changing pallegina personality. dont undestand why pallegina in poe2 lacked criticism for the republics. i think the player should have been able to mold pallegina views like in poe1.

 

She's the mirror of Maia.  Pallegina is a Vaillian patriot.  Maia is a Rautian patriot.   And remember that both are representatives of their faction, so it shouldn't come as a shock that they're difficult if not impossible to sway away from their faction.  Also, don't forget that Sarafen and Tekehu are also staunch defenders of their factions as well.  So, it really comes down to the design of Deadfire's faction system and how 4 of the companions are very loyal to their factions.  And it seems to me that it'd screw up the overall balance of these 4 companions if only one of them wasn't nearly as strong a defender of his/her faction as the others.

 

I suppose that the devs could have designed things in such a way that none of the companions were strongly tied to a faction, but that might have seemed weird for Maia, Pallegina, Tekehu, or Sarafen.  I tend to think that if they'd not wanted any faction-tied companions, the devs would have had to develop 4 very different companions who clearly had no love for any faction.



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Game wasted opportunities yet you fail to mention voltron/ power ranger robots that the watcher and crew can pilot. We fight eothas in a losing effort until we combine our individual robots into one gigantic robot where we finally subdue eothas with our lightning fire sword dramatic finisher attack. Engrim later gives a brief speech getting us to understand we had the real secret weapon to defeating him all along: working together.

But no you keep on about pallagina sweetie.

Edited by asnjas, 17 March 2019 - 05:59 PM.


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the struggle between order and conscious in poe1 are given to maia

all pellagina do in deadfire is agreeing with vtc

it was a weird choice

why not just put all the content about pellagina and maia in pellagina to make one whole character and bring back kana to represent rdc again?


Edited by uuuhhii, 17 March 2019 - 11:06 PM.


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In PoE Pallegina was very easy going and it wasn't very hard to nudge her to change the republics wishes when dealing with the anamenfath. She knew what this meant and was full ready to accept the consequences if there were any. Then when you meet her in PoEII she blames YOU for the decision SHE made. Bitch.


Edited by AeonsLegend, 18 March 2019 - 01:04 AM.


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the struggle between order and conscious in poe1 are given to maia

all pellagina do in deadfire is agreeing with vtc

it was a weird choice

why not just put all the content about pellagina and maia in pellagina to make one whole character and bring back kana to represent rdc again?

Hm, I don't see Kana killing Queen Onekaza II and being ok with that.



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the struggle between order and conscious in poe1 are given to maia

all pellagina do in deadfire is agreeing with vtc

it was a weird choice

why not just put all the content about pellagina and maia in pellagina to make one whole character and bring back kana to represent rdc again?

Hm, I don't see Kana killing Queen Onekaza II and being ok with that.

 

yes

then vtc and rdc will both have a patriot that doesn't agree with the company's most ruthless action

that is rpg companion routine but it works



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I haven't gotten that far in Deadfire, but somehow Pallegina makes a bit more sense to me in Deadfire. She's a paladin. She's supposed to be single-minded and zealous. She a -ing fanatic.


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I haven't gotten that far in Deadfire, but somehow Pallegina makes a bit more sense to me in Deadfire. She's a paladin. She's supposed to be single-minded and zealous. She a -ing fanatic.


Even if she joined the Kind Wayfarers in PoE or was exiled from the Republics :p?

Edited by Verde, 20 March 2019 - 02:33 AM.

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Well, her action in POE "betrayed" the ducs and the republic. She was disowned and lost everything that mattered to her. I would almost have expected her to pull an Alistair and become a drunkard.

 

Then they take her back. No wonder she becomes even more dedicated. She's not gonna let the ducs down again. 


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Ehh. What I liked about PoE1 Pallegina and missed in Deadfire Pal, is that she wasn't so zealous nor she followed her orders blindly.

But PoE1 dilemma wasn't about supporting Valians, it was whenever to follow order if she believes it is not the best move for the republics.

In Deadfire her path is pretty straightforward.

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Well, her action in POE "betrayed" the ducs and the republic. She was disowned and lost everything that mattered to her. I would almost have expected her to pull an Alistair and become a drunkard.

Then they take her back. No wonder she becomes even more dedicated. She's not gonna let the ducs down again.

It does make sense, though I feel there is little exploration of that in game. I wish they would implement some content what would explore distrust VTC might feel toward her and her determination to regain their confidence.
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the struggle between order and conscious in poe1 are given to maia

all pellagina do in deadfire is agreeing with vtc

it was a weird choice

why not just put all the content about pellagina and maia in pellagina to make one whole character and bring back kana to represent rdc again?

 

Because I think that the writers saw the character in the role of Maia as a Rauatian soldier, not a Rauatian intellectual.  I don't think that Kana would have fit into that position at all.



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Ehh. What I liked about PoE1 Pallegina and missed in Deadfire Pal, is that she wasn't so zealous nor she followed her orders blindly.

Isn't zeal kind of a defining aspect of her class?



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Ehh. What I liked about PoE1 Pallegina and missed in Deadfire Pal, is that she wasn't so zealous nor she followed her orders blindly.

Isn't zeal kind of a defining aspect of her class?

 

Maybe she would have more zeal points if she were more zealous.

 

What are we talking about now?



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Well, her action in POE "betrayed" the ducs and the republic. She was disowned and lost everything that mattered to her. I would almost have expected her to pull an Alistair and become a drunkard.

Then they take her back. No wonder she becomes even more dedicated. She's not gonna let the ducs down again.

So if someone disowned you and made you lose everything you'd instantly join back up with them and try even harder? I have more pride than that I guess. Then again I'm not a one dimensional bird lady.

Edited by Verde, 21 March 2019 - 09:16 AM.


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Well, her action in POE "betrayed" the ducs and the republic. She was disowned and lost everything that mattered to her. I would almost have expected her to pull an Alistair and become a drunkard.

Then they take her back. No wonder she becomes even more dedicated. She's not gonna let the ducs down again.

So if someone disowned you and made you lose everything you'd instantly join back up with them and try even harder? I have more pride than that I guess. Then again I'm not a one dimensional bird lady.

 

Well given that Pallegina hates everything about herself, maybe this is her way of continuous torment. 

 

You know, hearing Pallegina's backstory in PoEII made me dislike her even more. She's just an idiot. And also a broken individual. Can't have her give her oppinions on anything. It will be laden with self crucifiction and disdain for anything close to her being. Totally untrustworthy.







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