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How many kids get shot trick or treating.

Seems uncommon. One really tragic instance though - http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27482694/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/police-man-feared-trick-or-treater-was-robber/

 

Dude dumped a mag into 2 kids and their dad.

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As for Nikki Haley, it appears that she resigned because she did her two years and she is resigning at the end of the year. Trump has also said that Haley had told him about six months ago that she was thinking of taking a break. Why he didn't have Pompeo and Bolton be in the loop, I don't know, but it's certainly in character.

 

Didn't want it to leak or thought she might change her mind would be the obvious reasons.

 

I don't think it was that much of a surprise though, UN ambassador for the Trump Admin must be about the most thankless task in politics and she has been forced- presumably, since she must have had a good idea how the wind was blowing- into some pretty stupid and embarrassing situations there. Getting caught begging countries for supporting votes and worse, failing, is pretty untenable and must have been personally difficult especially if any advice to withdraw rather than force a vote was ignored.

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Any gov't that tries to stop  people from participating in Halloween  ise vil and deserves to be destroyed. Seriously. Fines and jail time?  GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE NAZIS. That means if you are 15 year  old or even a 10 year old after 8pm) are risking being raped by the 'justice 'system' because they get butthurt over you asking for candy. HOLY MOLY.

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I'll be honest, kind of wish they'd introduce something like that here. ****ing multiculturalism :(

Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary. - H.L. Mencken

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I'll be honest, kind of wish they'd introduce something like that here. ****ing multiculturalism :(

 

I heard you got good fun in Swe as well with that Saint Lucia schtick xD

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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/09/politics/nikki-haley-resignation-donald-trump/index.html

 

 

Here are 3 good theories why Nikki Haley resigned, Im partial to the first one  :geek:

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Any gov't that tries to stop  people from participating in Halloween  ise vil and deserves to be destroyed. Seriously. Fines and jail time?  GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE NAZIS. That means if you are 15 year  old or even a 10 year old after 8pm) are risking being raped by the 'justice 'system' because they get butthurt over you asking for candy. HOLY MOLY.

volo these things are complicated, they must be analyzed with nuance and objectivity and then only commented on with finesse and decorum  8)

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

 

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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I sincerely, truly, hope this new Supreme Court will overturn Roe v. Wade.

Conservatives, Evangelicals and Republicans had wanted to overturn Roe v. Wade  for the longest time since 1973.  They have consistently turned out to vote with great discipline.  They have the long-term goal to control both the White House and Senate at some point, so they could install five anti-abortion Justices on the Supreme Court.  Then the Supreme Court would finally rule to  overturn Roe v. Wade.  They have accomplished 90-percent of that goal.  Now they just have to wait for an abortion case to reach the Supreme Court - which will happen within the next two years.

Democrats and liberals have become "addicted" to the judicial branch of the government.  Ever since the Supreme Court ruled a series of landmark cases on civil rights and women's rights in liberals' back in the 1960s and 1970s, liberals have become complacent and overly dependent on the judicial (particularly federal judges and the Supreme Court) to side with them on every social issues and further their social justice agendas.  The Supreme Court has already ceased to become favorable to liberals since 1991, when the conservative Justice Clarence Thomas replaced the liberal Justice Thurgood Marshall, (and Thomas' nomination was confirmed by a Democrat-majority Senate led by Joe Biden - a big mistake on Democrats' part.) 

Since the appointment of Clarence Thomas onto the Supreme Court in 1991, (which shifted the balance of the Supreme Court,) the five conservative Justices have consistently ruled in favor of conservationism and libertarianism on economic and political issue issue.  However, the liberals have not cared.  All those ****ing liberals - or more accurately, neoliberals - have only cared about social justice issues like abortion "right", gay marriage, equal bathroom access for transvestites. etc.  They are the so-called "identity politics" and "social justice" (neo)liberals.    As long as women have the "right" to abortion, gays get to married, and transvestites get to use whatever bathrooms they want, Blacks and Hispanics get preferential treatment when they apply to colleges and universities, those neoliberals  have not given a damn about dark money, labor unions, gerrymandering or any other economics or political issues.  (Neoliberals are just social liberals who have libertarian beliefs or leanings on economic issues - they want social justice for minorities, women and LGBTQ but also have blind faith in capitalism and free market, i.e., the establishment corporatist  Clinton and Obama faction in the Democrat Party.)

Those neoliberals have not cared to vote.  They have a misplaced blind faith in the judicial, a blind belief that the laws would always be on their side.  They have thought - or *wanted* -  judges and Justices to rule against anything that does not agree with their ideologies and worldview on social justice.  Neoliberals have forgotten that, laws are ultimately made by the legislature (the Congress) in conjunction with the administration (the President).  When conservatives gained full control of both branches of legislature and administration, it was just the matter of time for them to rewrite the laws and completely reshape the judicial.

Frankly, IMO is how democracy supposed to work: conservatives have unified and  been consistently voting with purposes and towards specific goals.  So now they are being rewarded for decades of disciplines and persistence.  Laws are created and interpreted by men, i.e., by the legislature and administration.  Now that conservatives control both the legislature and administration, they get to remake and reinterpret the laws. Which is why Roe vs. Wade has never been a settled law.  Law can be remade and reinterpreted.   Neoliberals should have worked toward passing a constitutional amendment or landmark bill if they had wanted abortion choice to be a settled law, instead of being overly dependent on the judicial to rule (in effect, *create*) laws in their favor. 

Personally, I do not care about Roe v. Wade, but I do care about other progressive issues - economic and political justice issues.  I  hope that this new Supreme Court *will* overturn Roe v. Wade.  Neoliberals need to be taught a harsh lesson on the reality of how our democracy works, that they should not have become completely dependent on the judicial to interpret and make laws in their favor, that they should not have continually relied on federal judges and Supreme Court Justices to rule in their favor to overturn the will of the legislature and/or administration.    Now that those neoliberals, now that their asses are on fire, they will probably wake up and start organizing towards retaking the government and slowly towards reshaping the judicial.  It will take them the next twenty years, at least, to do so, because they have already lost the war for this generation.

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"Volo these things are complicated, they must be analyzed with nuance and objectivity and then only commented on with finesse and decorum  8)"

 

Nah.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-11/missing-journalist-reportedly-cut-up-with-bone-saw-by-hit-squad/10361886

 

If true, weird to use a 15 man hit squad to ambush and kill one guy ? Something in there about Saudi martial ineptitude. 

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You use 15 to take out someone you know is dangerous and has epic tier martial arts skills (well, okay more like 100, with most of those being low level goons to make said epic tier martial artist waste time), so, 15 seems like overkill.

 

It's also not very subtle. If they wanted sublety, they'd have sent one or two (or maybe three) guys in, chloroform or whatever the guy, put him into a car, drive elsewhere and do what they want/need elsewhere. Sure, maybe only 1-3 were charged with the task of killing/capturing with the others having their duties, but the whole thing lacks the sublety we often see in movies or Cold War spy stories.

 

Then again, it's not the CIA or M16 we're talking about here, so, if anything, it's not so much martial inepirude than us expecting CIA/M16/KGB level finesse in this kind of thing and being disappointed by something that is clearly not that tier.

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Rumour is they botched the planned kidnapping spectacularly possibly due to an adverse reaction to a sedative, and the numbers were to try for a snatch job if he didn't end up going to the embassy (also why they were booked for 4 days stay). If doing a public kidnapping you need a lot more people than at an embassy as you need lookouts, disruptors/ crowd control, a vehicle change or two etc. He'd then have appeared on Saudi TV after a few days and 'voluntarily' state that he'd 'voluntarily' agreed to go back to Saudi, providing plausible deniability to any accusations of kidnap. Since he's dead they cannot do that and there isn't really a plan B available, especially since Turkey and them were at loggerheads even prior over just about everything.

 

In general I think people have a massive over belief in the competence of spy agencies. Mossad (twice) and the French DGSE who both have very good reps for example got rumbled by those doyens of counterespionage, the, uh, New Zealand Police Force. MI6 had most of their covert Russian operatives photographed chatting to a rock, and the CIA and 'KGB' have had multiple failures both Cold War and present. The most capable spies are probably China's, and somewhat surprisingly, North Korea's.

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This seems like something Mafioso could do without ****ing up though

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Would they do it at someplace as equivalently high profile as an embassy or consulate? Still, it's like the saying 'the plan works until it hits the enemy' or something like that. Basically, even the best prepared plans can go wrong once it starts getting actualized.

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Yeah, I'd be almost entirely sure the plan wasn't close to what actually went down in this case.

 

I have a low opinion of both Saudi capabilities and their moral fibre, for want of a better term, but I cannot credit even them having the hubris required to plan to kill a US based journalist in such a undeniable way in a country that has poor relations with them and where the fallout could not be controlled nor plausible deniability established. Turkey and Qatar will use this to try and drive a wedge between Saudi and everyone else and Turkey doing the investigation allows them to drip feed damaging information and plant supposition and propaganda as well, and it certainly appears that most people believe it was intended as an outright hit squad thanks to Turkish sourced information and rumours of bonesaws and the like.

 

This seems like something Mafioso could do without ****ing up though

 

The mafia allegedly did asterisk up killing Castro numerous times, albeit subcontracted by the CIA.

 

I wouldn't have any particular difficulty believing that criminal organisations do snatches or assassinations better than most spy agencies, they certainly have more practice at it.

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Guess a lot of finger wagging at KSA now. Based on last reaction to a comment, Canada better prepare for war.

Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra

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https://features.propublica.org/trump-inc-podcast/sheldon-adelson-casino-magnate-trump-macau-and-japan/

 

It'd be hilarious if this backfired for good ol' Shelly because of Trump's lack of tact and shamelessness. Won't happen though. This is the kind of deal not even he can botch.

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Rockland County man accused of planning Election Day suicide bombing in Washington, D.C.

 

What a poorly thought out plan. As the media has shown us, nobody goes to the national mall. He would have more viewers doing it on Facebook. :lol:

 

 

 

Officials said Rosenfeld wanted to draw attention an ideology called "sortition," the political belief that the government should be selected by lottery rather than popular vote.

 

I was hoping it'd involve QuickSort somehow from the name. 

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