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Depends on the enemy. With the current one I would say; no. I think Al-Quada can easily pick quite a large amount of people out of Iraq/Pakistan right now who would love to work for them...

CIA/US does not torture, eh? How do you explain this then? And about Iraq/Insurgents

I think the loading screen refers to the fact that teammates get +1 AB for every Char mod. your PC has...

Nope... you don't need any at all if you start talking while on the Ebon Hawk

Force Sight? Save Mira's influence for Mira? "

Meh, you can Max. Mira's influence in a single convo. Just take her onto the Hawk and chatter away untill she want's to be a Jedi

Add http:// infront of what you typed!

Please do so. It doesn't look like K3 ever get's his thread rolling... And thus one lost it's use several months ago

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You should use the console next to the door...

First of all; US making friends part 1 US making friends part 2 US making friends part 3 The same reason why a intelligence agent in my country left disks with secret material in his car when he gave them away for a check-up (read: stupidity)

Nope. There is such a thing as "not informing". It happened before with a kidnap in Italy (see my thread "Illegal CIA hostage infuriates Italian Government" and also here with Pakistan...

I'm not a soldier. Then tell how you "know this much" about the use of war and the current wars (which aren't wars) Prove it. Would love to do so, but this is one of the subjects that can only be proved false, not true, even if it is true... I hate to break it to you, buddy, but we're not the only ones who don't want Iran or North Korea to have nuclear weapons. In fact, we're not even the ones doing the vast majority of the heavy lifting when it comes to trying to stop them at the moment. North-Korea is not really that big of an issue. Iran is also an issue for us in Europe indeed, but negotiations are running... no need to "play soldier". Actually, no. We don't drop 2,000 pound bombs in the middle of city blocks. Only time we did that was Fallujah. And what the hell are you talking about, bombing allied countries? Iraqi security forces request airstrikes from us all the time. We don't give them a direct link, of course, but where exactly do you think a lot of our information comes from? Pakistan no longer an allied country now? Al-Zarqawi remember? Tried to kill him a few days ago on a place he wasn't with a heavy bomb without authorisation of the country you bombed... God, we're right back where we were a month ago. First of all, I never made any claims about the accuracy of our weapons. They are, indeed, very accurate for the most part, but targeting is only as good as the intelligence we get. It can be wrong, but most often it's not. For every failure you read about in the news, there's a hundred successes. You think we drop bombs, or, speaking more broadly, conduct combat operations of various sorts only once or twice a month? You never read about the successes because it's the usual stuff. Indeed, I replied to your quote, but the "accurate bomb" part was not of you... just read around page 5 again... And I certainly do not hope there are 100 victories for every loss or the whole of Iraq should have been bombed around this time EDIT: Also very curious you note "that not every "illegal succesfull US operation" (with many deads) gets reported by the press, but O_o, they do report EVERY "succesfull Insurgent operation". If that doesn't create a screwed up image... :ph34r:

Wait...so now you're changing your statements? That al-Quaida only attacks U.S. for "major attacks"? The only "major" bombing listed there was 9/11, which actually destroyed far more than they intended. But in case you chose to ignore your own link, it also lists attacks that occurred against non-U.S. targets. Nope. The only major attacks done BEFORE 9/11 were on the US. After that the US and the ones that helped them with Afghanistan/Iraq. Did you see Al-Quada blow up the Chinese? The Russian? The Swiss? The Scandanavians? All the other countries that don't support the US? US soldiers never blow up "random targets". The targets are picked for legitimate reasons. Sometimes the intelligence is wrong, unfortunately. But that is war. Tragedies are unavoidable. It's happened throughout history. And there is a distinct difference between a "random house" and a house of a terrorist who uses it to while he plans strikes against US soldiers and Iraqi civilians. Oh yeah, surely all the people's houses who they invaded were indeed of terrorists. Ofcourse using explosives to blow doors, flashbangs and gunfire is needed if you aren't even certain that there is a terrorist subject... Such is war. Yup, but why is there a war in the first place. Hey, wasn't the war ended years ago according to your president? Peace time casualties = murder... And there have been 30000 (1 dec 2005) civilians that died because the US is there (as seen on this map) Nah, there is no difference between these 2 houses. Only a difference in the inhabitants. And you never know what kind of person lives inside untill you blow his front door in a zillion pieces no? That sort of proves my point, you realize. How can there be a mistake made if it's entirely random? They had some particular target in mind, and got the wrong one. Your theory of random searches has been pushed right out the window by your very own evidence. Eh, are you saying that if you randomly pick houses, you always get a house with a terrorist in it, or you always have the right house "according to yourself" but not to the international press...? They got a target in mind, yup, and it was that journalist. So they actually got "the right target" except it wasn't a terrorist. Oops, here is some cash (yah, capitalism!), we don't care that your security has just been severly breached and you probably wind up dead next week or so... There is nothing from that link that says Al Qaeda only attacks US targets, major attacks or otherwise. Please share what you are smoking. I can't download video, but I can pretty much guarantee that US soldiers don't just wander into random houses to blow stuff up. See "Before 9/11. Do you see a single non-US target? After the attack on Afghanistan they ofcourse assaulted the persons who attack them. Like the Americans respond (Attack us and we attack you) so do they respond... And no, they do not wander into a random house to "blow stuff up". Roughing up the inhabitants is alot more fun no? I wish we were dumping ours. What the US eeds is a complete revamping of the political structure. Remove both the Republicans and democrats from office and bring in totally new and fresh people to the mix. Damn. I wish that could too I watched the whole movie. I also have more experience with this sort of thing than you might choose to believe. You are a soldier served in Iraq? If not, then how are you so certain I know more about it than you? Working for the Government of the US? You just described a prison. You're right, they don't get to wander freely all over Cuba and watch HBO in the afternoons. Not in my country, or any other European one. Also we do not torture our prisoners like has been done over there... even to innocents... A movement where? It's US property. People can bitch and moan about its existence all they want, doesn't much matter. The leaders of several European countries... Ofcourse, the US would probably not listen, like usual... It is US property, eh? And that is why we may not bitch. Then why does the US bitch so many times about property (Nukes anyone) of other countries. And before you start: "A prison cannot be compared to a nuclear bomb!" Why not? It is all property. Hell, damn Americans, stay away from Iran's property! You never saw that? Really? Must not be much of a TV person. I've seen plenty of clips of insurgents detonating a small IED, and then another as people gathered around. I also seem to remember a certain attack on a religious procession going over a crowded bridge. Not really no. And note the world "small" you use yourself. While the Insurgents use small car bombs, the US drops 2000 lb bombs in the middle of blocks. Man, a terrorist standing in the middle of a block blowing his mine probably won't even kill a fly, while the US bomb kills dozens. Even so, why do you guys still drop bombs? Isn't the war over? And why bomb countries (ALLIED!!!) without their authority and authorisation? You think that really helps international agreements with the US if they even bomb allied countries with heavy bombs? And about the bridge, if you talk about that incident I think you talk about, there was only chaos, not a real attack at all But the point you're trying to make is that the US bombs weddings and marketplaces. I think what you're missing is that those aren't the targets. You won't find a strike board marked up for a hit on a wedding at any airbase or on board any carrier. Wait... what happened with the "Impossibly accurate planebombs" from in the begin of the thread? The US brags about their precise bombings, but does it care if a bomb is precise if the target is already civilian? You can bomb things precise, but bombing the bad spot is still bombing the bad spot The insurgents, on the other hand? They most certainly do target civilians. They also target Iraqi politicians and policemen. But go on, keep trying to convince me that the insurgency plays by certain rules. No, they don't. Welcome to Guerilla War, favorite game in many many countries on the world. Just because a country doesn't has an organised armed army looses them their rights to defend themselves? Don't think so... And about Iraqi policeman and politicans; think WW II. Resistance troops attacked the Nazi SS and the leaders... would you totally convict them now, because they attacked "the occupier"???

Talk about naieve. In NO WAY did 9/11 lead to the War in Iraq. Don't take me wrong, I found 9/11 horrible and supported the assault on Afghanistan and the hunt for Al-Quada, but I do not support a "War for Oil". SPECIFICALLY if they have to use a totally unrelated terrorist attack to do so. Did you knew WO II was started due to Napoleons war in Europe? " Do I justify them? Nope. I just pick on the "Greater Evil" between the 2. Commiting acts of terror (Terrorists) is one thing, use these acts of them for personal gain (US) is a lot worse in my book... The commentary was in Dutch, yes. The soldiers spoke American ofcourse, because they were, well, Americans... And as said, I would love to back it up, just tell me how to get 3 year old material linked here... That there is alot of torture going on on command of the US military or Inteligence services if a fact. Ever heard of Abu Ghraib, Guantanmalo, CIA camps... I am sure there was talk about them in this thread before Lol, I am rude and hatefull... lolz Well, you probably didn't watched the whole movie, where was explained that it was "a frequent happening" and it lured the citizens into the Insurgents hands... Yeez... never saw these pics? Shaved men, all bound together in orange suit heavily watched by guards.... There can obviously be alot of talk about CIA camps who do not exist. Currently some European countries try to gather more info about the CIA camps, and there is already a movement to get Guatamala destroyed... Hey. I never saw Insurgents bomb weddings, bomb marketplaces, drop additional bombs in a crowd that stared at the wreckage of one bomb, cut of water supplies and food supplies for the citizens etc. And they were before the Americans invaded. Odd, isn't it... There was certainly alot of fuzz internationally about the poisoning of the Georgian president, there were temporary governments in Iraq/Afghanistan not made by these people, the UN pushes on China etc. Forget the quoting system

Up to 9/11...

Wan't proof? AL-QUAEDA only attack US targets for major attacks See here And look, US soldiers raving into a random house blowing everything up See here Ofcouse, as you guys all start "1 source!!!!OMFG" I will try some other sites in a short while too...

What can I say. You guys are good in making innocents go through 10's of hours of investigations and other trouble before they are allowed to enter the plane towards the US. As soon as 1 "suspect" is in a plane, the entire thing should fly back... And we heere have no such strict border restrictions, it is easy to travel freely through Europe. Ofcourse then it is also easier to prepare and make an attack. But atleast our security doesn't cost us thousands of tourists or our entire privaty (think Patriot Act) Depends on how you see "number of people killed". It would currently be either the Afghans or the Iraqi indeed. But on the 3rd certainly pranks the US on top... Yup. Can't deny that with Madrid, London etc. Which is started by the US. O_O. They also attack their allies ofcourse, to try to make them give up on the US, thus causing the US to loose power (less allied that will help them out in their "illegal wars"... Nah, after the US is down they wan't to conquer the Arabic World and Israel... Not some world-domination (like Nazi-Germany) EDIT: Just to think of it (it started this topic): The bombing on Al-Zarquwi (sp?)'s house didn't kill him, but it did kill about a dozen people including woman and children. The US Army claims to have killed 5 Al-Quada members in the Attack...

Edit: I've looked at this twice, since it immediately followed the post in question; on the second glance, I believe Surreptishus was asking about a different story. If so then I misunderstood and apologize. That was about the Europeans kidnapped in Gaza, treated nicely because they figured out they weren't Americans... Nah, ofcourse not. All the bolded stuff is completely made up by me myself. And about the Italic part; Nah, just your leadership... Well, I am sorry that I read alot more newspaper and watch more news/reports on TV where there doesn't exist such a thing as a "link" too. Feel free to tell me how I can link you to a television report on the Belgian TV about 3 years ago... Mods are not allowed to have a political preference. As soon as we become mod our personal opinion should be disabled? No way... Compare with And now hopefully atlast all quotes work EDIT: Okay... not let's try again

3 months of torture is just the start. After that you get back in a society; scarred and marked as terrorist. Don't tell me that the people released from Abu Ghraib have the change to build up a normal life like the others, so yes, I would rather die. No, I used your "maybe shoot" to mention soldiers (US and non-US) who just shoot at everything that "seems" hostile without a clear notion of it being that, as in your example, and thus ending up killing several people including woman, children who possessed no threat in any way... Wiping out a whole block with a bomb to kill a single person is "Execution" to me. Call it warfare all you wan't, there isn't a army fighting your plane when you drop the bomb... Nah, the detainees just died out of themselves... all of a sudden. Spontanous dead is very common when US soldiers are around, no? It isn't like the guys shoot bullets or torture people (for all the flamers: all words before here after the quote are SARCASM... Don't even act like I am serious (I know it is difficult...)) Even if they killed themselves it would prove their "threatment" was not nice and they would rather be dead... Let's see, two Western. Ofcourse people from the West would receive a better threathment from the US than from the Insurgents. If you were sending 2 Islamatic people over there the whole situation would change... Easy bet to make if you surrender yourself to the Allied Forces... Yep, but if somebody still believes the World is flat a "It is a fact, it is proven, I don't have to show you, it is just that way" would make them keep that believe, while giving some proof of the worlds roundness (like if the world was flat it could never cover the entire moon) he might start believing this fact...

Then why are you guys doing it? I agree it doesn't makes any sense... And still more and more, and more recent pop up and Loads of them were not made public by your beloved US Army. Did Guatamala became public due to the army? Has the torture stopped at any way? Were the CIA camps revealed by your Army? Have the torture there stopped at any way? Wow. You really didn't understand it? Some explenation; always when there was said you supported Bush you denied. You weren't a follower. So like you followed Bush I followed the insurgents... NOT Did the anti-US parties win? Did the US expended the time they should stay again and again and again? Was the eventual government pro-US? Yeah, the US surely doesn't seem to bother about International oppinion on any action they make. But who befoe if there is a leader choosen in another country the US doesn't like (or there was Election Fraud... just like in the US)... Why should we? Why did we, at any way, should have invaded Iraq and "liberated" it? Or are you talking about the US "dictatorship" in this line? With "foolish attempt" I meant an attempt that horribly failed and thus got them killed for being *snapped*.

Newspaper. Nice making things up. Give me the EXACT quote where I said it was a newspaper, since it was television report from the beginning... Also good job flaming me, for something I never wrote... really, really helps alot. To the rest; will answer later when I have the time (and that will probably take along time) To 213374U; that is indeed an African version of Hitler, and if you wan't PM's from the Globals clean your PM-box to actually be able to GET PM's...

What part of "1 april" in the post there-after did you miss?

Probably. I would rather die right away then live 3 months with the pain where I could die of right away Shooting people who MIGHT shoot at you... I couldn't have worded US-murder any better... And the US also executes, think the sons of Mr. Saddamm, and I don't think what you would call a 2000 lb bomb on somebodies home... Better than that exact same pain for several months... About the earth thing. Indeed you should. When it was found out not everybody believed it right away because some scientist said so, he gave the proof! And I didn't denied that it happened. Just said that if you complain about people because they don't support their claims with evidence you should backup your own claim with that evidence... If you wan't me to stop, give me some reasons. So far I haven't seen none that would even make me THINK about changing my opinion... And the "facts in your face" do not make any claims that the US is "doing a damn well job", it just points toward some minor errors in my ways. Yeah, I really go start supporting the US if you don't post (supported!) Pro-US, but instead negative things about the Iraqi or European Not even trying to be. This is a political discussion. If you wan't to be entertained visit some Joke Thread...

Rereading this again... I just found the hypocrisy in these said words Oh noes, they cannot attack your citizens, but they should accept without resistance that you kill other nation's citizens... Way to go.